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Nina66 Apr 2nd, 2003 08:56 PM

Re-Naming NYC Theater
 
Ellen, Howard or other theater buffs, I am curious as to how a theater name can be changed. The Martin Beck has been renamed the Al Hirshfield. Hirshfield died fairly recently, so the decision couldn't take that long to make. Who makes/instigates the decision, the theater owners? How often does this occur?<BR><BR>Thanks in advance.

HowardR Apr 3rd, 2003 04:58 AM

I would assume the owner(s) would make the final decision. Members of the theater community (either as an organized group or ad hoc) certainly play a part in suggesting/pressuring or whatever. Al Hirschfeld is certainly a worthy honoree. Perhaps Ellen can offer more &quot;insider&quot; info.<BR>It doesn't happen that often. Among the other theaters honoring past greats are Lunt-Fontaine, Helen Hayes, Richard Rodgers, Eugene O'Neil, Barrymore, Walter Kerr and Brooks Atkinson. (I'm not sure whether or not the Neil Simon Theater is owned by him. Of course, that's another way to get a theater named after yourself: Own it!)

Ellen Apr 3rd, 2003 07:30 AM

The name changing has been in the works for well over a year. It was planned to coincide with Al's 100th birthday celebration. Unfortunately, he didn't live to see the day, but he was well aware of the honor. Martin Beck was a theater critic, but most people don't remember him. His family was informed of the change and has been supportive of it. As I get more info, I will post it. I am going to the ceremony on June 21st. Should be interesting.

HowardR Apr 3rd, 2003 08:22 AM

See that, I knew Ellen would have more info!

jayinla Apr 3rd, 2003 08:42 AM

Of course, renaming a theatre in honor of Al Hirschfeld is whole lot different than renaming a historic theatre the Cadillac Winter Garden. In that latter example, it's money that drives the process.

al Apr 3rd, 2003 08:47 AM

On the radio this morning I heard that Mayor Bloomberg may look to corporate sponsorships to help bring extra money into the city -- so don't be surprised if you'll soon be going to the Cadillac Winter Garden Theatre or to see the lighting of the Fed Ex/Rockefeller Center Christmas tree.

Caitlin Apr 3rd, 2003 08:54 AM

Well, we've already got the American Airlines theater! But add to the list of theater honorees John Houseman, though that's an off-broadway due to its size. Not sure what Mr. Houseman would think of the long run Puppetry of the Penis had at his namesake...

jayinla Apr 3rd, 2003 08:57 AM

Or maybe Hostess Twinkies Carnegie Hall.

Nina66 Apr 3rd, 2003 11:44 AM

Great replies, thanks. I don't know about the other theaters, but the Ethel Barrymore was named _for_ her, not after her. From what I remember, they wanted her to appear in a play and that was one of the perks.<BR><BR>Corporate re-namings ($$$$) are the trend in the San Francisco area too, Pac Bell Park etc..

HowardR Apr 3rd, 2003 01:15 PM

Nina, that's an interesting tidbit about Ethel Barrymore.

Nina66 Apr 3rd, 2003 08:15 PM

Not only did the Shurberts name the theater for Ethel B., they built it for her.<BR><BR>

Nina66 Apr 3rd, 2003 10:44 PM

ooops, not the Shurberts, that's a dessert, Shuberts.

Owen_ONeill Apr 4th, 2003 03:31 AM

I think if Fodors buys a theatre they should name it the Howard Ravis Theatre!

HowardR Apr 4th, 2003 04:14 AM

Thank you, Owen, but I think Ellen deserves the honor far more than I do!<BR>(But, still, that would be nice!)

kk Apr 4th, 2003 04:25 AM

What an interesting thread, and the Howard Ravis Theatre and the Ellen Theatre should be in the same lovely block.

Gothampc Apr 4th, 2003 04:49 AM

Several years ago, the Broadway play &quot;Torch Song Trilogy,&quot; which is about a gay drag queen, was playing at the Helen Hayes Theater.<BR><BR>Two elderly women were observed standing outside the theater looking at the marquee. Finally one said to the other &quot;Well, if Helen Hayes is in it, it has to be good&quot;. So they bought tickets and went in.

Scarlett Apr 4th, 2003 04:52 AM

<BR>gothampc,<BR>Can you imagine their surprise when they got a look at Harvey Firestein in those bunny slippers!!! Lol~

Ellen Apr 4th, 2003 05:13 AM

Oh this is too funny. Just tuned back in. Howard would have to have a theater next door to Chez Josephine so you could roll him right over there. A theater named after Moi? Delightful. But, if they could build a new one for me, so much the better. And while they are at it--I'd prefer more leg room. And perhaps more potties in the ladies room. Rental sweaters in case I am under the air condtioning vent. No seats on the side. More aisles. Electro-shock seats for people whose cell phones go off. Phone books under the seats for short folk. And last but not least, discount tickets if you sing a little song when making your purchase.

Ellen Apr 4th, 2003 05:16 AM

Oh, and I had my date wrong. The re-naming is on a Monday night, June 23rd. Al's birthday is the 21st.

HowardR Apr 4th, 2003 05:19 AM

Ellen, you're great! I like that idea of a theater next to Chez Josephine. Maybe I'll call Jean-Claude Baker and we can joint venture the project! (But then, he'd probably want his name on the theater, as well!)

BuzzyJ Apr 4th, 2003 05:21 AM

Could I add something to your wish list for the theatre named after you, Ellen? In the playbill, would you get the company to include in their brief bios their educations? I would like kids, who no longer have arts (performing or otherwise) in their budget-slashed curricula, to know that not all performing arts are like Hollywood and TV careers...I could go on, but I think you'll understand.

Scarlett Apr 4th, 2003 06:05 AM

Ellen, <BR>Excellent list, especially the increase in leg room and facilities for the ladies. <BR>Could I add one more thing?<BR><BR>Better wine and champagne at the bar:)<BR>

Owen_ONeill Apr 4th, 2003 07:45 AM

Wpould it be the Ellen Theatre or the Bugswife Theatre? (hoping you are the Ellen I'm thinking of)

Nina66 Apr 4th, 2003 10:00 AM

Ellen, great idea about the phone books under the seats for us short folks. More aisle seats would be good too, or better yet the seating should be by height, like in school pictures.<BR><BR>Also reverse the signs on the men's &amp; women's bathrooms. The men never have to have to wait in line ..there must have better facilities :-)

Nina66 Apr 4th, 2003 10:14 AM

Gothampc, Thinking that Helen Hayes was in the show, do you think that may have said 'but grandma what a deep voice you have'?

Gothampc Apr 4th, 2003 10:49 AM

Nina66, they probably did. LOL

GoTravel Apr 4th, 2003 10:57 AM

As long as no theaters have Trump in their name....

Ellen Apr 4th, 2003 12:05 PM

Yes, this is Bugswife. I probably should have taken the time to put my author name as that, but I registered very quickly. Was anxious to get in under the 300 people cut off and get my free gift : - ) I got the packing book by the way.

Ellen Apr 4th, 2003 12:10 PM

Okay, I just registered as Bugswife for those of you whom I have already confused. It takes 3 days to confirm? What's that about. Anyway, beginning Monday I will be using the new name. Back to the thread....yes, improved wine and champagne. I like that. Also, no more Dots. Those are so 80's. Balance Bars and Dove Chocolate, just to cover both ends of the spectrum.

Nina66 Apr 4th, 2003 03:36 PM

Today I bought Playbill - At This Theater, 100 Years Of Broadway Shows, Stories and Stars, by Louis Botto. Looks great, now all I have to do is find/make the time to read it.<BR><BR>Keep going with the thought 'if you could build a theater', who knows, maybe the powers that be are Fodorites.


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