Jim,<BR><BR>Come on, admit that you are working for the SF visitor's bureau. We should be telling the truth about SF and not dispensing propaganda just to get people to waste their money in such an overrated city. SF is trying to promote itself as some type of a world class city. Compared to El Paso, TX, yes. Compared to NYC, Chicago, LA, not even in the same league. Go to SF and what do you see. Trash in the streets, hookers looking for business, druggies shooting up in the hate, and a generally run down hell hole tourist trap. SF should look to NYC and clean up. Its a total dump no matter how you look at it. Too bad that SF people such as yourself can't admit to the truth.

Jim,<BR><BR>Come on, admit that you are working for the SF visitor's bureau. We should be telling the truth about SF and not dispensing propaganda just to get people to waste their money in such an overrated city. SF is trying to promote itself as some type of a world class city. Compared to El Paso, TX, yes. Compared to NYC, Chicago, LA, not even in the same league. Go to SF and what do you see. Trash in the streets, hookers looking for business, druggies shooting up in the Haight, and a generally run down hell hole tourist trap. SF should look to NYC and clean up. Its a total dump no matter how you look at it. Too bad that SF people such as yourself can't admit to the truth.

Did the San Jose mayor just have to lay off a bunch of city employees and cut some programs in order to balance the drooping city budget and say he hopes the people won't notice?

come on people, lay off the san jose stuff. who the hell cares if you hate sj? the issue is "how safe is sf"? if you don't like sj then start a "how i hated san jose thread". you sj hates inhabit all these northern ca posts. give it a break will ya? move on already.

These San Jose haters know that what is being said about San Francisco is true. Obviously we should ignore such mentally disturbed individuals and feel sorry for them.

I think school just got out.

I do think some people are being ignored here but it's not who you think it might be!

I don't see anyone asking a question about San Jose in this thread. Go away, SJ goons. You're doing a disservice to people who come here for answers. <BR><BR>Annie, in reply to your question, I've lived in Northern California all my life (45 years) and have worked in SF for the past 10 years and I agree with the first sensible posters. It's as safe as any other city. The only part of the city that seems to shut down after hours and on the weekends is the financial district because no one is working. But Union Square, North Beach, the Wharf and all the other great areas are still hopping. <BR>My only complaint about the City is the weather--The best bet is October but the rest of the year is truly a crapshoot.

Excuse me, but who is Darlene? I'm not Darlene and I am truely trying to get some info on a city that has been my absolute favorite since I visited 15 years ago. (Someone needs some anger management classes!) I live in the South and my children both live in NYC. I LOVED San Francisco, and I've been raving to my husband about how wonderful the city is but just do not want to spend money and time if it's really as bad as the people who replied to "Hated San Francisco," said! (I don't even know a Darlene!) Ok, where is the best place to stay? Obviously, not Union Sq. where I stayed before! Any ideas?

Oh, I forgot to say, I don't even know where San Jose is, nor was that my question! I'm from Tennessee!

Annie,<BR><BR>I have lived in Northern California for about 20 years, 7 of it in San Francisco, and I currently live just outside of San Jose. From my experience in San Francisco, I would have to say that it is not as safe a city as New York or Chicago, both of which I go to frequently for business. The politicians in San Francisco seem to turn a blind eye to blight, homelessness, drug dealing, etc. Therefore, my recommendation is to be very aware of your surroundings. In answer to your question about San Jose, it is larger in than San Francisco in population and it is the center of Silicon Valley. SF is about 1.5 - 2 hours north of San Jose. Since moving to the area, I have discovered that SJ does have alot of culture(respected museums and performing arts), great restaurants, nightlife, unique neighborhoods,and the best part is the good weather. In the summer when it is 60 and foogy in SF it will be 80 and sunny iun San Jose. In the summer there are festivals and street fairs almost every weekend The other great thing about San Jose is the city's proximity to The Monterey Bay Area and the Mountains.

SF is wonderful. I explored extensively in April, 2002, as a single female- parks, wharf, downtown, etc. Even used public transportation. I felt very safe! People were very nice!

Hello Darlene/David/XYZ/all other aliases. Please stop bothering these travelers.<BR><BR>You may want to look at one of these forums instead:<BR><BR>http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/<BR>http://www.attractievestad.nl/world/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi<BR><BR>There are people there who actually enjoy bashing and arguing about cities. Most will not agree with you, but at least you can do your thing with a clear conscience.<BR><BR>Thank you.

Annie,<BR><BR>San Francisco is most certainly not a safe city, especially when compared to 15 yrs ago. If you remember SF from 15yrs. ago, you will not recognize it today. Personally, I would not waste my time there.