Hawaii Hotel Without Children?
 

Besides the South Pacific, we are considering Hawaii, Kauai mostly, for our honeymoon. The problem is my fiance would prefer to be in a hotel/resort that does not allow children. Does anyone know a hotel in Hawaii, preferably Kauai, that does not allow children?

Interesting question.

I thought that it was illegal not to allow children.

Perhaps a small B&B might fit the bill.

what's the matter with children? they are small humans!

not when they're screaming and crying for 5 hours over the Pacific

Hope you are not planning on an extended family after the nuptuals. As far as children....they're everywhere!

Try a B&B or small historic inn. Most don't allow kids under 16 years of age.

No Dick, it isn't illegal.

Or look for hotels with minimal "child-friendly" attributes. Some hotels have separate pools for adults who don't want to swim with families.

There most certainly are "adults only" resorts... sheez.

(sorry i don't have a recommendation for Kauai)

Of course you don't have a recommendation Suze. An adult only resort simply does not exhist in Kauai.

sheez yourself! kazundite

It is illegal in the state of Hawaii to discriminate against children, except in registered senior housing.

B&bs often are not "child friendly", so that may be an option.

Personally, I'd rather be in lux hotel with some kids, than a vacation home or B$B. Room sevice would be a high on my honeymoon!

Icuy, that doesn't make sense.

Can you provide a link?

A hotel is a private entity and patrons use those facilities of their own free will.

OK then, I should have said what I thought when I saw the title to this post... that I can recommend one in Mexico.

I did not realize Hawaii had its own laws concerning this. Please accept my apology.

Go Travel, then by your reasoning, the ADA wouldn't apply to hotels because they're "private entities",. Wrong. and, if you can't discriminate because of old age, then you certainly can't because of young age. Hotels generally get around this by making themselves as unappealing to families as they legally can.

Barbara, ADA doesn't apply to hotel rooms just public spaces and they must be ADA complient.

The last three hotels I worked for had no ADA complient accommodations.

That is my point. Staying at a hotel is voluntary.

If you notice, airplanes are not ADA complient either.

well then recommend Mexico, you never know what scotty will think.

i think i already did

Sorry Suze, must have missed it. Maybe it was deleted as I don't see any Mexican resorts recommended on this thread. ??????????

There seems to be some misunderstanding about the ADA here. It applies to all public accomodations. " Public accommodations are private entities who own, lease, lease to, or operate facilities such as restaurants, retail stores, hotels, movie theaters, private schools, convention centers, doctors' offices, homeless shelters, transportation depots, zoos, funeral homes, day care centers, and recreation facilities including sports stadiums and fitness clubs. Transportation services provided by private entities are also covered by title III.

Public accommodations must comply with basic nondiscrimination requirements that prohibit exclusion, segregation, and unequal treatment. They also must comply with specific requirements related to architectural standards for new and altered buildings; reasonable modifications to policies, practices, and procedures; effective communication with people with hearing, vision, or speech disabilities; and other access requirements. Additionally, public accommodations must remove barriers in existing buildings where it is easy to do so without much difficulty or expense, given the public accommodation's resources."

A hotel is NOT exempt from anti discrimination laws.

How would this be any different than communities that ban children from living in them? There are plenty "active adult" communities that forbid people under the age of 55.

SAB, thanks for that clarification. I just checked the San Diego Hyatt's website and found this:

"The staff at Manchester Grand Hyatt San Diego is committed to ensuring that we meet and exceed all of the requirements for the Americans with Disabilities Act."

We stayed at Whalers Cove and though there was no specific rule agianst them we saw no children. The pool is right next to the ocean and the building we stayed in was ocean front. Great place.

Hotels and resorts on Kauai don't limit who may stay. There are no adult only resorts there whether by law or by choice - they still aren't there. Used to be you could select a spendy resort and you'd be unlikely to have many kids but those days are gone. Sometimes you can have only a couple of kids at a small place and they'll make you crazier than a bunch of kids at a big place.

If you are going during the off season you will have a reduced number of kids but there will be nowhere that you will get none.

Hope you find a resort for your honeymoon.

There are exemptions for adult only housing, usually to qualify, at least 80% of the units must be occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older, and the owner or manager must publish and adhere to policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to provide housing for persons 55 years of age or older, and the housing facility must have "significant facilities and services specifically designed to meet the physical or social needs of older persons," unless it is impractical to do so.

The ADA compliency is so vague that hotels are not required to make rooms complient.

Trust me on this, the three I worked for had no ADA complient rooms.

Of course it is just good business to do so however, not all accommodations are ADA complient.

I think Fiji or Bora Bora might offer more of what you are looking for as far as no children. If you insist on Kauai and are flexible with your wants, there are some wonderful vacation homes for rent that would be perfect for a romantic honeymoon.

I've said this before, but I find many adults often more obnoxious and assualting to the senses than children most of the time anyway, especially after they have a few of those drinks with the little umbrellas in them served in the hot tropcial sun. The things I've seen...

-Bill

Oh those overwater bungalows in Bora Bora!

To die for!

Oh my yes, Bill,LOL !
and IF they are yakking on a cell phone as well....
:`(

R5

scotty-
Here's a winner for you to consider:
http://www.coconutsbeachclub.com/

R5

The rules for ADA phyical requirements are not the same as Federal laws regarding discrimination.

While an airplane may not phyically meet ADA standards...they must make reasonable accomodation- such as providing space for a service animal, preboarding, wheelchair assistance, etc.

Discrimination Laws prevent them from refusing seats to women or catholics, or hispanics. Federal law has set the classes that are protected against discrimination;religion, race, gender, etc. Hawaii law also prohibits discrimination based on familial status.

This means that while hotels can set rules on the number of occupants, they cannot discriminate against a family that otherwise meets those restrictions. Senior housing has an exception to these laws.

I don't have time to dig up the actual statutes, but I have gone to enough fair housing seminars to know this.

>>>The things I've seen...<<<

Oh do tell Bill :))

Icuy, the reason I asked for a link was because I would like to read the specifics on it being illegal to ban children from hotels.

Discrimination laws are also quite vague. Did you know you can discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation?

I know this because my husband got taken to court by two of his prep crew guys that were life partners who tried to sue my husband by saying he discriminated against them (he didn't) because they were gay. The case got thrown out of court because neither South Carolina law nor Federal Law recognize sexual orientation as grounds for discrimination.

The ADA laws are pretty wide open for interpretation.

First, a disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer (hopefully a lawyer will chime in).

I looked up some Hawaii discrimination laws when a friend told me they did away with Ladies' nights at bars because that violated Hawaii's gender discrimination laws.

What I found out was that Hawaii prohibits discrimination based on race, sex, sexual orientation, age, religion, color, ancestry, disability, marital status, and arrest record in employment situations. (chapter 378 of the Hawaii laws).

Hawaii prohibits discrimination based upon race, sex, color, religion, ancestry, and disability in public accomodations like hotels (chapter 489 of the Hawaii laws). So the protected categories are different depending on whether it's an employment situation or public accomodation. (For the "Ladies' night" issue, the rule against discrimination based on gender was written into the liquor license laws).

The Fair Housing Act which is a federal law prohibits discrimination based upon family status (as well as other categories) but I don't know if that law applies to hotels and other transient housing.

Anyway, the various discrimination laws have different protected categories and it's had to keep track of them all. All I know is, there is no more Ladies' nights. Bummer.

Thanks for that info Jolie!

However, you cannot discriminate against someone in matters of employment only so it doesn't apply to age and hotels.

I've been googling the past hour or so trying to figure this out and it is making me crazy.

Is anyone a lawyer?

Hotel Hana-Maui is strictly adults-only for the months of May and September.

if it IS legal, more places should be doing it! in fact, those sandals places don't allow "people" under 18, do they?

i would think there'd be a HUGE demand for child-free hotels and resorts. i'd go!

I've heard these two in Lahaina on Maui are highly rated (I Haven't personally stayed in either):
http://www.lahainainn.com/
http://www.theplantationinn.com/
The Hotel Hana suggestion is good too.

I think the Kona Village Resort on the Big Island has adults only months also.
May and September?

-Bill

I will probably get slammed but I don't find it offensive if adults wish to stay in a "no children" resort. And I am a mother, a stepmother, a grandmother and a stepgrandmother. Sometimes adults just want to be in a a place where there is no children. And I really don't see what is wrong with that. Now whether that is legal or not I have no idea. But I can say there are times I just want to be in a "no children" zone. And I don't think that makes me a bad person or a antichildren person. Sometimes children do not want adults around and that too I understand. Just my two cents worth.

Well said Loveitaly. I don't see anything wrong with trying to find a childless environment for your honeymoon, or whenever. Oh, my daughter was looking into Princeville on Kauai for her honeymoon and was going to stay at the following:
http://www.princeville.com/hotel.html
I know it's not child free, it may still be a good option for you scottyp.

Public accomodations laws regarding age discrimination vary by state and municipality. It's generally considered to be a civil rights issue. It's not a federal law, and in particular, the ADA does not apply (note to GoTravel- the ADA does apply to public accomodations such as hotels, however, it only applies to new or renovated properties...many hotels weigth cost of compliance with the cost of retrofitting and decide to take their chances...the gov't has stated that the ADA is intended to assist the disabled, not to be an undue burden on hotel owners). Some states and cities have specific bans on age discrimination for public accomodations. Other states have more vague laws that may or may not be interpreted to include age. Many places have no such laws (so Sandals can operate its adult only resorts in those Carribean countries). Innkeepers and B&B owners have fought these laws and ordinances in some locations. In some states, exceptions have been carved out for small inns, renting private rooms in a home, and B&Bs. As for Hawaii, it has a law prohibiting discrimination in public accomodations that specifically lists certain categories such as race. It does not list age as one of the protected categories. Therefore, hotels may be adults only if they choose in Hawaii (unless the city has a specific ordinance against age discrimination).

I second karenpj's recommendation for Princeville. While not adults only, it is a very sophisticated, absolutely gorgeous hotel with NO children's programs. Frankly, I think most kids would be bored stiff here.
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