Why Liverpuddlian?
 

I've been wondering why Liverpool residents are called Liverpuddlians (sp?) and Blackpool residents Blackpuddlians?

Whazzup with this? Just curious why a pool becomes a puddle?

I'm not sure that that's the derivation, since it's spelt with one d.

I've always assumed it was just euphony.

Not that I've ever actually heard of Blackpudlians (I'd have thought they would all claim to come from Morecambe).

Are people from Hartlepool called Hartlepudlians?

Or do we just stick with "monkey hangers"?

I never heard of Blackpudlians either until i asked in a post about what Blackpoolians called themselves and flanneruk, who i think hails from the Liverpudlian area said it was Blackpudlians. So that's the last word on Blackpudlian in my mind.

The thought of Hartlepool calls up, simply, a respectful silence.

<<< Ordinarily, inhabitants of Liverpool (in northwest England) would be known as "Liverpoolians" or "Liverpoolites" or "Liverpoolers" on the same pattern that gives us "New Yorkers," "Brooklynites" and "Washingtonians." But some wag in the early 19th century decided to change the "pool" in "Liverpoolian" to "puddle" and shorten it to "pud" as a joke. >>>
www.word-detective.com/080401.html

alan - so i assume Blackpoolians are not similarly called Blackpudlians except tongue in cheek perhaps. thanks for the interesting derivation.

The thought of Hartlepool calls up, simply, a respectful silence>>>>>

In the early 80s a wine bar in Hartlepool refused to serve me a glass of wine because it was a "poof's drink".

I had a bottle of dog instead.

A wine bar refusing to sell wine? That must be bad for business :)

To be fair - they were selling a lot of dog.

Why are people from Manchester "Mancunians"?

Why are the chemical symbols for Lead "Pb" and Tungsten "W", respectively?

Why is there no word in English that rhymes with "Orange"?

How high is "up"?

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Who is Ira, Who is Ira, Who is Ira?

Some questions defy answers

Tungsten comes from Wolfram (? the German name) , Lead from the Latin Plumbum.

no idea about the others

<i>Why are people from Manchester &quot;Mancunians&quot;</i>

From the Latin name for Manchester - Mancunium.

I guess it doesn't matter which Liverpool you are from either. I grew up in Liverpool NY and we were reffered to as either Liverpoolians or more recently as Liverpudlians. Never heard Liverpudlians as a kid growing up there but I do here people say it now. I know this doesn't add much to the discussion but I did learn something from it.
Thanks.

Why are peolpe from Birmingham known as Brommies? (I mean, other than that &quot;Birminghamians&quot; sounds like some sort of exotic pajamas).

Brummagem is a local dialect name for Birmingham, hence Brum (not Brom).
Blackpudlian is occasionally heard on Fylde coast (where I live), in anology to Liverpudlian [pool=pud(d)le] but it's mostly Blackpooler.

The bizarre thing about this question is that for most of Englsh history there weren't words like Liverpudlian or Mancunian.

'Liverpudlian' - generally assumed to be the derivation of a joke - is first recorded in 1836. Every reference I've read in charters, chapbooks or local directories during the previous 620 years is about &quot;burgesses&quot;, &quot;inhabitants&quot; or &quot;the people of Liverpool&quot;. There may be examples of &quot;Liverpoolers&quot; and the like: but I've never come across one. English really didn't see the need for such words.

Most surreally though, the city's main building, St George's Hall (begun 1842) has SPQL (Senatus Populusque Liverpolitanus) monograms all over the place, on the basis that if that's more or less how people who presided over a measly bit of the Eurasian landmass a couple of thousand years earlier referred to themselves, then that was going to be how the people that dominated the trade of all the world's oceans would describe themselves too. But I can't imagine it was a term earlier Flanner generations found themselves using too often. No way of knowing for sure, though, since practically no early 19th century Flanners could read or write.

&quot;Mancunian&quot; didn't see the light of day till 1904, so those Roman legionaries must have had some completely different word to describe the locals

And the Oxford English Dictionary still doesn't recognise &quot;Leodensian&quot; (the poncey word for people from Leeds)

Some people in Hartlepool do call themselves Hartlepudlians, but my limited experience (I did once sit in on a focus group about this very subject) is that many also just call themselves Hartlepool.

And Blackpoolians (rhymes with hooligans) or Blackpudlians?

Scousers

Ok, so why are residents of Naples called &quot;Neapolitans&quot;? Because they like their ice cream flavors mixed together?

New Yokers

Attention Ira:

There's presently a contest in the San Francisco Chronicle for something that rhymes with San Francisco values. Good luck!

TSGs innit?

So why are Glasgow residents called Glaswegians?

I come from Glasgow,and have never heard as to where Glaswegians originates......The one that I am curious about is &quot;Geordie&quot;for persons from Newcastle-upon-Tyne.........I love &quot;Geordies&quot;as people.....What positive memories I have of that great city....Some would probably say that it was because geordies and people from Glasgow like to have a great amount of drink,it's almost like part of the culture that in both places you go out at weekends to get drunk !!!

Geordies apparently comes from the Jacobite rebellion. Newcastle was a royalist stronghold and the people became known as followers of King George, and given that they speak very strangely indeed up there, this became corrupted to Geordie.

I lived there for a year - and can remember very little about it. They do like their dog.

&quot;Why is there no word in English that rhymes with &quot;Orange&quot;?&quot;

Aah but Ira, there is. My anglo-saxon surname rhymes with Orange. It's the only reason my name ever gets mentioned on TV quiz shows.

Going back to PalQ's original question.

The other problem is that it's not just early Flanners who were illiterate: almost everyone, everywhere was till the middle of the 19th century. So if we want to know how a word evolved before 1830, we've only got what was written down - and preserved. And that's a tiny proportion of everything anyone ever spoke.

So all etymology is pretty speculative. A word like &quot;all&quot; is used so often, there are lots of sources and lots of debate so we can have a reasonably accurate idea of how it evolved. Words like &quot;Liverpudlian&quot; just get a &quot;well, it was probably...&quot; assumption, and everyone gives up. There is, as far as I'm aware, not a single real survival of the &quot;puddle&quot; joke: the assertions of the word's derivation all over the Web are just lots of people borrowing other people's assertions.

So here's my theory.

&quot;Liverpool&quot; refers to its Pool, a big inlet from the river, round which the earliest settlers lived. As the port developed, this pool was increasingly encroached on. And oddly, the first reference to &quot;Liverpudlian&quot; occurs about the same time the Pool was finally pretty well built over completely.

The 1811 Liverpool Dock Act allowed proper docks to be built over the Pool, and the 1826 Custom House was also built on what had once been the inlet. So by the 1820's there might well have been a joke that the city's Pool had turned into a Puddle.

But there's not a single scrap of evidence to prove this theory, since we don't actually know for certain that &quot;Liverpudlian&quot; post-dates the filling in of the Pool. My theory is merely compatible with the meagre evidence we've actually got.

What is the rhyme for porringer?
What is the rhyme for porringer?
The king he had a daughter fair
And gave the Prince of Orange her.

&gt;so why are residents of Naples called &quot;Neapolitans&quot;? &lt;

Because its original name was the Greek Neapolis.

IIRC, in France it's a standard item in the reference books to list the &quot;official&quot; way to refer to people from any given place (where it's -ais, -ois, -iens or whatever). But in the UK... it's the occasion for nineteenth-century jokes (my guess is that's where Glaswegian comes from; I've never heard a name for people from Edinburgh, but from the general image, it ought to be Edinbourgeois).

Well Edinbourgeois is obviously faine for the naice laidies of Mornigsaide. Might not work so well round the Trainspotting belt though.

But what about Middlesbourgeois? Is that a complete oxymoron?

People from Middlesbrough are called &quot;smog monsters&quot; or &quot;smoggies&quot;.

Hi Kate,

Well, I had to look it up, but I take it that you are a Gorringe - yes?

Nice rhyme, Miss P.

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Curses, discovered at last ;-)

Gongratulations on getting the spelling right..even my brother struggles with that one.