When it is ungodly hot and humid, I am not cooled by a fan blowing that hot humid air at me. Fans are NOT Air Conditioning. They only make an intolerable situation slightly less intolerable.

>intolerable situation
That's the point. What seems intolerable for you is well within the tolerable limits for the locals. (June is still only the beginning of the warmer weather). It's just the attitude and the environemt you grew up in.
I've been at least 5 times to Venice in August, never had A/C nor wanted and enjoyed it. Welcome to Jesolo :-)

You are right about tolerable and intolerable. Locals in Nigeria may be happy rummaging through the mud and eating live bugs. What does that have to do with me on a vacation there?

I don't think it's being picky when a person lives with air conditioning and they are uncomfortable lying in their own sweat in bed at night when the temps are 80 degrees or above, even though it doesn't bother someone who has never lived with air conditioning.

Temperatures vary. It ended up we never turned on our AC at all in Rome this year for a full week in June. But a week later in Venice it was waaaayyyy hotter and more humid, and we would have been "suffering" without AC.

Many of us prefer to be comfortable when we travel. Just as you might turn down a hotel because they only have a double bed or because there is no elevator and the room is on the fifth floor, it is certainly reasonable to turn down a place because there is no AC. Who cares if the locals are happy sleeping in a double bed or think nothing of five flights of stairs?

>us prefer to be comfortable
Just stay aware that it's you very personel definition of level of comfort. It even may not be shared by many?

You left off the "Many of" to the "us". I think it doesn't take a lot of thought to figure out that anyone concerned about having AC would be included in the many. If a person isn't concerned about the possibility of AC then you are right -- he probably has a different comfort level than others. But then he wouldn't be asking this question, would he?

Maybe he's never been abroad in Summer. Italy isn't really a "hot" country compared to most of Australia, south east Asia or Shanghai in Summer. The air in Venice is rather dry all year long. You can only "feel" it's wet, when you've never been to Singapre or Shanghai or some other wet place like that. All these are climates where I'm personally gratefull for A/C, but Venice isn't a place where I'd ever consider the need for A/C. Personally I think most Germans (and Italians) would agree. You don't, but that doesn't make mine your statment any more or less valid.

But you're missing the basic point, logos. If a person is from the US (or anywhere where AC is the NORM) and lives with AC in the summer, and bothers to ask a question like "Is AC needed. . ." the answer is probably "yes, if you want to be comfortable" and if it happens to be hot.

Those people you mention who don't need air wouldn't be asking the question, so of course, this entire discussion doesn't apply to them. Why is that so hard to understand?

You seem to think there's something "wrong" with anyone who is used to air and wants to be comfortable on vacation". On the other hand I don't have the least concern about someone who doesn't care about air because it isn't important to them.

You seem to be trying to get me to say that we who want air are spoiled or picky or something else -- or at least you've made clear that you can't understand how anyone could find 85 degrees uncomfortable or want air. The fact is, it's just that we're different from you and others who aren't used to it. Why does it seem to bother you that Venice IS uncomfortable to many of us (and yes -- I do mean MANY) and that we are concerned about air conditioning?

I don't understand why some people get ticked off if others recommend a/c as though going to Europe one should do without it like the locals. In reference to Asia and Australia, well, the o.p. is asking specifically about Venice, Italy. I've been to Italy in June and it is blazing hot. It is good to have the choice of a/c so if you do feel it's necessary you have it available.

See my first statement:
>The answer is quite easy, if you're american, you'll need A/C whereever and whenever you go
This may just be a fact that you're a very different culture from mine.

>people get ticked off if others recommend a/c as though going to Europe one should do without it like the locals.
You just don't understand, my point was completely different. The 3rd post I just quoted sums it up :-). (You're in fact posting on an international forum).

Americans = needs a/c

I don't know if you should generalize like that, but that's your opinion.

No. Actually this is the Europe forum you are posting in; there is no international forum.

<<<Actually this is the Europe forum you are posting in; there is no international forum.<<<
Since Europe is NOT A COUNTRY but a continent - it is - de facto - an international forum
Would you say taht any USAmerican NEEDS AC in Greeenland the 1st week of June ?

Oh man, (woman) I give up. No need to understand, you're right, everything is fine. My english is obviously not good enough, sorry.

Couldn't we just agree that any blue passport holder needs AC anytime in Europe and any red passport holder needs a heating unit anytime in north America and stop there ?

Sorry I missed that first post, I guess:
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>
See my first statement:
>The answer is quite easy, if you're american, you'll need A/C whereever and whenever you go.
<<<<<<<<<<<<&l t;

Now I get it. I failed to realize that all this hot air (without AC, LOL) was an issue of American bashing. Your point was simply that there is something wrong with all Americans. I failed to realize it had nothing to do with the real issue, it was just another opportunity to point out your dislike of all things American. I get it.

By the way, I think your English is just fine. It's your attitude that needs work.

I don't think logos999 is so far off the mark. In my experience, Americans do use a lot more AC *and* more heating than Europeans do in comparable weather conditions. Also, the vast majority of italians live without AC, and there is something to be said about living as the locals do...

>something wrong with all Americans.
Now should I say "long live America" and recite the pledge of allegiance. If it makes you happy, I'll go ahead :-). Seriously... It's a fact that the vast majority of all germans, includung me don't hate or bash the USA. Why should we. (bashing politicians doesn't count here!)

"Also, the vast majority of italians live without AC, and there is something to be said about living as the locals do.."

I understand that logic regarding trying different foods or observing local customs. But why on earth should a person deliberately spend his vacation being uncomfortable when there is no need to. That makes about as much sense as suggesting that an Italian visiting in the US might be freezing from the AC in his hotel, but he shouldn't turn it down because he should "live like the locals" and go ahead and be uncomfortable. That's just silly.

Logos, I was not speaking about the "vast majority of all Americans". I was speaking about this isolated post.

Perhaps you've missed some of Logos' other posts on this subject, but this is a long and tiresome campaign that Germans know better and anyone who wants AC in a hot, European country when it is 90-100 degree F (or 35C) has something wrong with them in comparison to Germans who love it hot and are perfect and don't spend money on useless things in other ways. They just like it hot and humid because they are so sensible.

I wasn't a bit surprised by the post on this thread, it fits the pattern as logos can't ever let a thread go by about someone wanting AC, if they are American, in any case, without telling them there is something wrong with them for wanting that.

Last summer we traveled to Italy in July and our first stop was Venice. I don't know if Italy was having a heat wave or what, but it was very humid and hot. I drank more water than I ever had before. I am from NJ, where I am used to humid summers, and yes, I made sure there was air conditioning, just in case. Let me tell you, it was very refreshing to come back to a cool room for a rest before traveling out again.