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AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 05:55 AM

Trip Report-Provence/Paris plus learning experiences!
 
Thank you to everyone on Fodors for help and information. We didn't get to half the places we wanted to so unfortunately we will have to go back-the sooner the better!
We flew on Air France out of Boston. I had booked in November on line. At that time I booked our seats. Well, they changed the plane and they also said that my husband's seat wasn't confirmed for the trip out but was for the trip back. Learning experience 1-double check the flight periodically. I had checked to make sure the flight still existed but not in depth as I should have.
We took the TGV to Avignon from CDG without any problems. Learning experience 2-there is a board which shows where each car will stop. You need to be where the car marked on your ticket will stop to make an easy transfer onto the train.
Of course we got lost getting to our hotel in St Remy de Provence. Learning experience 3-the map you schlepped from home does no good in your bags.
We stayed for one week at the Mas de Carassin. It is a gorgeous place a ten minute walk into St Remy. We booked it online and we very happy with our choice. We had a ground floor suite with its own little patio tuck into the hedges. It had a small sitting room and bedroom, the bathroom had a WC, tiled stall shower with an amazing showerhead and hand held, and a Jacuzzi tub. Pierre and Michel who run the place were very nice and of course fluent in English.There is a pool but it wasn't ready for use since they had just open after vacation the day we arrived. It also wasn't pool weather. The grounds were beautiful and we had a view of the hills beyond Glanum. Breakfast, which was included in the price, was served in the dining room since the weather wasn't quite warm enough in the morning for the patio. It was a nice spread too with cereal, yogurt, various breads, croissant, coffee, chocolate, cheese and fruit. Pierre serves a set menu dinner in their dining room several times a week. We ate there twice. The first night we ate there Pierre let me help him in the kitchen. My idea of a wonderful vacation and my family is waiting for me to reproduce Pierre's recipes at home.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 06:10 AM

To make this a little shorter I will only list the places we went and ate. I will be happy to expand on any details.
Meals in Provence- in addition to the two dinners at the Mas
La Serre-dinner-St Remy
Mas de Cure Bourse-lunch -Isle-sur-la-Sorgue
La Siesta-lunch-Saintes Maries del Mer in Camague-nothing special but good food
Le Grande Cafe-lunch- Avignon
Christian Etienne-dinner-Avignon
Clos de la Violette-dinner-Aix en Provence
Le Verger de Pape- lunch- Chateauneuf-du-Pape
Le Jardin de Frederic-dinner- St Remy

Places we visited (which weren't as many as we had planned)-
market on Sunday at Isle-de-la-Sorgue
Fountain de Vacluse
Gordes
Camargue, Aigue-Morte
Avignon- Palais de Pape, Pont d'Avignon, Cathedral and the garden above it
Aix-Got royally lost in Aix to the point of divorce. Learning Experience 4-don't go into a city without a complete street map even if someone has given you directions-Atelier de Paul Cezanne-worth the trek up the hill
Chateauneuf-du-Pape- Chateau Beaucastel-great visit with wine tasting
market in St Remy
Le Baux de Provence

cindyNYC Mar 27th, 2004 06:20 AM

Sounded wonderful! And I was so happy to hear about Mas de Carassin - we just booked the EXACT same room the other day for our trip in May - so it was great to hear about it in detail!

So you would recommend eating there for dinner one night then? I saw the other places you ate, what did you think of Le Jardin de Frederic? That was on my list as well...

Thanks!

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 06:22 AM

Just a couple of notes on Provence-
eat as much tapenade as you can!
the olive oil is amazing
ditto the olives
The Mas carried the wines of the Chateau Romanin which are organic and biodynamic which we discovered means they follow the natural calendar-moon, sun etc. The wines were great especially the rose. We visited the winery and bought a half case to bring back. The cave is amazing-built into the limestone hill on one side and a vaulted ceiling and pillars like a church on the other side. They are building a conference center on the hill above the caves so if your employer is looking for a place for an off site meeting here you go!
The sommelier at Christian Etienne is an American expatriot. He was very knowledgeable and helpful. He gives tours of the wineries of the region. Here is my plug to Kerry McAuliffe ([email protected]). He also recommended two places to get olive oil and we got to one- Castelas on the road to Les Baux. A litre tin sits on my kitchen counter.
Learning Experience 5- if you see something you like in the market buy it! I sort of thought that the vendors made the rounds through the various markets. Maybe they do but I didn't make it to the markets they were at.
Learning Experience 6- make sure you have small bills and change for the markets. It will make everyone life easier if you aren't trying to pay for a 3 Euro items with those crisp 50 Euro bills from the ATM. (Why do they give you such big bills?)
I wanted to bring home some tapenade and pistou but didn't pick it up in the market because we thought we would get to another market. Pierre recommended we go to the Intermarche (Provencal Super Stop & Shop) to pick some up. I had a great time and only wish I didn't have 3 hungry people with me so I could have explored it more fully.

Margie Mar 27th, 2004 06:22 AM

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences, and taking the time to list your restaurant choices as well. I also appreciated the TVG/card number advice, I probably would not have noticed this. Did you have a car or were you able to do what you wanted to with public transportation?

Margie Mar 27th, 2004 06:30 AM

Sorry - forgot to ask, how far in advance did you book the Mas de Carassin?

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 06:30 AM

Cindy-you will be so happy with the Mas de Carassin. If you want to send me your email address I can send you some pictures. I can understand if you want to be surprised though. I would recommend one dinner at the Mas. I hear another guest say it was the best meal they had their entire trip. It was lovely and very relaxing. The Jardin de Frederic was wonderful. The only minor problem was that they had a big party in the upper dining room so we were in the cave. Food was wonderful though.
Margie-we rented a car so we went where we wanted when we wanted. If you do rent ask for a diesel since diesel fuel is cheaper and the fuel consumption is better. Just plan on where you are going in advance to avoid those little 'you didn't say we needed THAT road' kind of spats.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 06:34 AM

Margie-we booked the end of January for the 13th of March. We were traveling off season so it wasn't a problem. Pierre said they are getting more Americans and at different times than they had before. There was a mix of Americans, French and English guest.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 06:49 AM

After a week of great weather (low 70s and sunny as opposed to 6 inches of snow at home) we packed up and went to Paris. Learning Experience 6-make sure that the train goes from the station where you arranged to return your car. We thought we had booked the train into and out of the TGV station outside of Avignon but our return was from the Gare Centre. Not a major problem but not as convenient. Pierre called and made sure there was no problem with the rental company. Pas de probleme!
We packed a lunch for the train and watched the countryside pass by. I wish we hadn't packed the maps so we could try and figure out what all those interesting looking places were for future visits.
We booked a deluxe Tuilleries room at the Hotel Brighton. It was the first time we stayed in the 1eme, prior visits we stayed in the 6eme. The room was nice with a view of the Tour Eiffel. It was convenient to the Louvre which was a major item on our itinerary this trip. All in all though we prefer the 6eme and will stay there the next time. We looked at the hotel we tried to get a room in for this trip and decided that we would try for that next time.
Places we ate for dinner-
L'Ardoise- rue Mont-Tabor 1eme, fabulous 30 Euro formulae, small place, open on Sunday
Fish - rue de Seine, 6eme, for those nights that you can't face another rich meal, more of a provencal menu, great wines by the glass, also open on Sunday
Willi's Wine Bar- rue de Petit Champs, 1eme, very good, great and unusual wines, learning experience for my husband who has been a sommelier at various restaurants
Taillevent-grand and glorious, our last night in Paris splurge, expensive but hey we were heading back to work!

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 07:11 AM

Places we like in Paris-
We made a pilgrimage to Helene Darroze to get my husband some Armagnac. Her family is a major producer and they have bottles from many years. After much deliberation Tomas decided on a box of three half bottles from assorted years. I am sure a trip back there will be in order next time we are in Paris.
The marche Biologique on the Boulevard Raspail is where we go every Sunday morning we are in Paris. In addition to getting fruit, cheese and breads we have to have a pancake from the first vendor on the right. He has a griddle set up and makes the most amazing grated potato, onion and cheese pancakes. We get one to split coming into the market and then one to split as we leave. MMMMMM!!!!
We have been lucky that the times we have been in Paris the Bon Marche is open on Sunday so after we leave the market we go to le Grand Epicerie. They have amazing counters with everything you can imagine-salads, smoked meats, fruits, vegetables, jams etc. Can you tell we travel on our stomachs?
Everytime we go to Paris I go to G Detou and pick up some Cocoa Barry chocolate pistoles for baking and candy making. This is a restaurant supply store. In addition to the chocolate, they have an amazing variety of dried mushrooms for great prices. Very close by there is Dehillerin which has the equipment necessary for the stuff you bought at G Detou. Just don't do what we did which was to leave the package from Dehillerin sealed up in our carry on luggage. We forgot we had bought kebab skewers which the airport security people weren't happy with. Luckily we had enough time to back track and check the carryon bag rather than lose the skewers.
We always take a picnic to the airport and included with it is some goodies from Gerard Mulot (rue de Seine, 6eme). The patisserie is unfortunately closed on Wednesday the day we were flying out so we had to go on Tuesday. They were very disapproving of keeping our petit four collection overnight but acknowledged that it would be much better than anything the airline provided. I also picked up some chocolates for my co workers who have decided that I should return immediately to get more of the chocolate covered alcoholic cherries for them. The raspberries prepared that way were amazing too.

travelbunny Mar 27th, 2004 08:10 AM

Dear Cape Cod..I too just returned from Provence and Paris..I am glad that you had as much fun as we did...I was at a cooking school though did a lot of short trips (we had 6-7 hrs free)..I think from my discussions with our instructor that the 60-77 degree weather cant be counted on in March (or April) and that we must alert others that we did "luck out"...I did also experience one of those dreary damp days on the first day of the trip. I also found that the distances we were able to travel in a specific time period were less that one imagined looking at the map..many of the roads were narrow with absolutely no shoulder..the beautiful but im sure at times deadly plane tree lined roads into St. Remy are an example..I had a med. sized European car which was necessary as we were 4 but otherwise I would have rather had a car which was even 3-4 inches narrower.
I certainly was amazed and delighted with the tgv from paris-Avignon..convenient, reasonable and certainly beat what would have been mindless point to point driving.
...I too cant wait to go back..I very much enjoyed reading your report.

cigalechanta Mar 27th, 2004 10:15 AM

Thanks AGM, you made wonderful choices for dining and it brought back memories.
We also had a problem with AF changing our plane and time and with a stop in NY. Before it was always direct from Boston but since they hooked up with Delta, I hear more problems.

mystar9452 Mar 27th, 2004 11:08 AM

Hi!

I am interested in the Mas de Carassin. Please tell me how to contact them and if there is a web-site. I really enjoyed your report. We may change our accomodations if we can get in touch and they have a vacancy. Also, how much did you spend per night? Thanks!

ira Mar 27th, 2004 11:10 AM

Hi AGM,

Thanks for sharing a lovely trip.

elle Mar 27th, 2004 11:49 AM


What ira said.

Yum!

1jan1 Mar 27th, 2004 11:55 AM

Travelbunny, can you tell a little more about your cooking school experience? We have gone to cooking school in Italy and had a wonderful time. We have been thinking of France for our next adventure. Thanks
1jan1

PamSF Mar 27th, 2004 12:02 PM

I contacted Mas de Carassins using the avignon et provence(www.) website. It is one of the properties listed under three star hotels. Good luck.

travelbunny Mar 27th, 2004 12:20 PM

..dear "jan"...the cooking school was more than great. It is located in St. Panteleon which is very close to Gordes. Sylvie runs the school from her home, Les Megolithes...It is very informal...how can I describe it except it is like cooking in the kitchen with a friend of the family..more a bed and breakfast than a didactic experience..You have breakfast then are free until 3:30-4 ish..so lots of day trips and even a hike to Gordes..her attitude toward cooking is even more important than the recipes...also she has lived in Provence all her life so she also teaches by example something about the local culture..I was with 3 other women(my old college roomates) and we are the only guests....she never has more than 7 and usually 2-6 guests...great local wines from her cellar at 4 euros a bottle and fresh rosemary,thyme, bay leaves from the garden..If you are interested in a unique and very informal experience, I think this is the place! You can see the blurb on teacherstravel web site (www.teacherstravel.com)...any more questions just ask!! I am bubbling over with enthusiasm.

Underhill Mar 27th, 2004 12:43 PM

When do the cooking lessons take place? I see that you were free from after breakfast until around 3:30.

travelbunny Mar 27th, 2004 12:53 PM

Dear Underhill..the lessons are really informal. You basically prepare the evening meal..3 courses..so you are cooking from 4-7ish....helping with prep work, watching technique, ect along with a bottle of wine..The 4 of us helped prepare all of the dishes (not like other courses I have taken where we might each prepare 1 dish start to finish or each prepare puff pastry and then critique)...It is not a pure demonstration experience either.

Underhill Mar 27th, 2004 01:03 PM

Did you go to any markets for purchasing meal ingredients?

travelbunny Mar 27th, 2004 01:17 PM

..on the first day we went with Sylvie to the Sunday market at Ile sur Sorge and shopped with her...otherdays we were told where the markets were (the open markets rotated through different local towns) and we were in Gordes and St Remy on market day...there was very little fresh local produce at this time of year though did have some local olives and local olive oil..at the other markets we did buy thing for ourselves but not for our dinners.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 27th, 2004 01:26 PM

For those interested this is information on Mas des Carassins
phone 33 04 90 92 15 48
fax 33 04 90 92 63 47
www.hoteldescarassins.com
email- [email protected]
We had a suite with breakfast at the low season rate of 150 euros. As I said we spend more for lodging since my husband is an insomniac.
I can't complain too much about Air France. On the return trip they upgraded us to Business Class.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 28th, 2004 12:32 PM

Just remembered another couple of things I wanted to pass on. Rather than take a cab or the RER to the airport we took the Air France bus from Charles DeGalle Etoile. We took a cab from the hotel and then transfered all the bags to the bus. It was 10 Euros one way and they stopped right at the terminal which for us was also Air France. Much cheaper than taking a cab and easier than the RER.
I have been using a little book for menu translations and it has been very helpful. Bon Appetit French-English Menu Dictionary by Judith A. White. It was fine for most items except it didn't have 'mure' which we found was blackberry. Also it didn't work for menu hyperbole.

1jan1 Mar 28th, 2004 05:57 PM

travelbunny, Thanks for the info concerning cooking school. Sounds like the type of program I would be interested in. I will look into it for a future trip idea. How many days were you there? Did you spend extra time traveling before or after school?
thank you 1jan1

Sue4 Mar 28th, 2004 06:33 PM

Thanks for your report - I really enjoyed, as I will be in Provence for the first time in May. Also, when in Paris, I usually take the Air France Bus
to and from CDG - normally to Montparnasse, as I stay near there. I think it beats the other methods of transportation, as least for me.

cigalechanta Mar 28th, 2004 07:00 PM

AGM, tho I know what mure is, I always trusted my Marling Menu-Master pocket sized book. It also did not have mure listed after checking minutes ago.

JulieVikmanis Mar 29th, 2004 02:57 AM

Really nice report. And thanks for the info on your hotel. Was it right in town or outside a bit?

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 29th, 2004 05:02 AM

Thank you. The Mas des Carassins is just outside of the downtown of St Remy. We walked into town several times even though I had been having problems with my foot and avoiding extraneous walking.

cindyNYC Mar 29th, 2004 05:20 AM

AGM - I'd love to hear more about your meals in Provence - especially...
La Serre in St. Remy,
Mas de Cure Bourse (Isle-sur-la-Sorgue) - did you go on market day?
Clos de la Violette, and
Le Verger de Pape (Chateauneuf-du-Pape) - where was this located, in town? did you go after the tasting?

And the vineyard - Chateau Beaucastel-did you have to make an appt? If not, was it closed 12-2 like I've seen other people mention?

I am doing almost the same things as you did - the markts in St. Remy and Isle-sur-la-Sorgue. We were also planning on hitting, Le Baux de Provence as well.... What else did you see that was a Must-See?

Plus your Paris trip sounds wonderful too- now I'm so in the mood for those pancakes you mentioned! I'll have to put it on my list!

travelbunny Mar 29th, 2004 10:04 AM

..dear Jan...I was at Sylvie's for 7 days (the program is one week). I was in Paris before the course (visiting friends). Took the tgv from gare de lyon to avignon. We rented a car in avignon (TGV station). Took day trips (9- or 4) to the nearby villages perches, to markets and 2 longer trips to avignon and St. Remy (along with Les Baux)..almond trees in blossom, glorious weather but we were lucky .(it can be grey and chilly)..might have been more interesting the end of sept in terms of produce..This is a great place if you want an informal almost B and B atmosphere.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 29th, 2004 03:11 PM

Cindy- Here are some details of our meals in Provence:
La Serre-
Duo of Foie Gras-one warm roasted with salt, the other cold roasted with red wine, served with red wine reduction and pistachio toasts
Froisse de Saint Jacque- Scallops with the roe wrapped in filo dough with carrots and herb sauce
Saint Pierre wrapped around haricot verte & julienne carrot with black olive sauce
Tourte with beef oxtail (boneless) braised in red wine with carrots, potatoes mashed with raw onions
Millefeuille of dried pineapple with an unsweetened pineapple ice
3 warm chocolate cakes-one plain, one flavored with rosemary, one flavored with thyme

Mas de Cure Bourse-we went for lunch after the market in l'Isle-sur-la-Sorgue
Amusee bouche of homard soup with cream
Salad of quail with tomatoes and black olives
Crumble of dried tomatoes with parmesan with goat cheese sauce
Pigeon with Jerusalem artichoke dauphoise
Pancetta of lamb with jus & pinenuts with timbale of green cabbage
Cheeses
Fondue of milk chocolate with apples, poached pears, pain d'epice, nut bread and a kugelhopf
Cream brulee with passion fruit, apples and blood orange

Clos de la Violette-we went with friends for their 25th anniversary, we were amazed when they brought the check without being asked, the men were expecting and ordered after dinner drinks
Also they gave us the English translation menu- takes all the fun out of ordering
Salad of Crab and artichoke hearts
Pasta filled with Petit Gris Snails, walnuts and Fresh Goat Cheese
Green Asparagus with Socca and Muslin of Nut's Oil
Heart of Purple Artichoke, Italian Pasta Stuffed with Basil and Fresh Goat Cheese

Roast Rack of Lamb coated with spices, socca, stewed carrot and chick peas
Roasted Spring Veal Chop with fresh pasta and wild mushrooms
Roasted Duckling of l'Huppe, crusty skin with sweet spicy sauce

Molten Chocolate Cake
Caramelize Upside Down Apple Tart with quince sorbet

La Verger de Chateauneuf-du-Pape It was off the ruins on the top of the hill with a spectacular view. We only stopped for a quick lunch before tasting wines at Chateau Beaucastel
I had an omelet with ratatouille and black olives and my husband had a lamb steak with ratatouille, sauteed onions, eggplant with tomatoes and these potato puffs. Nice place to sit in the sun and drink wine.

We had arranged the tour at Beaucastel in advance. They require advance reservations. Their sommelier Fabrice Langlois is very passionate about what they do, about wine and life in general. It was alot of fun.

We probably didn't get to all the must see places. In addition to Les Baux, I found the old enclosed cities of Avignon and Aigue-Morte to be unforgetable. Coming from here it is amazing to live so closely with ancient history.

Underhill Mar 29th, 2004 03:27 PM

Menu hyperbole" is a great term! I'll save that along with "tortured food" for future reference.

lbrawer Mar 29th, 2004 05:12 PM

LOVED the restaurant reccs. We just booked Clos de la Violette for a Sat. lunch. Overall was it a good experience? What was the dress code?? Also- I havent read anyone reporting on Jacques Maximin in Vence. We went when he was in Nice and thought it was spectacular-- hoping to go again in July.

PamSF Mar 29th, 2004 11:38 PM

Oooh, we are booked for two nights at Mas de Cure Bourse over a weekend in October. I think we will have Saturday dinner there. (It sounds great!). I was curious about Clos Violette and now I am even more curious. I had already figured we would make a stop at the Grand Cafe. We are thinking about staying at Mas de Carassins and had planned a day trip to the Camargue. Thanks for a great trip report.

Byrd Mar 30th, 2004 04:49 AM

Have mercy! I'm swooning here!

This is not a report to read on an empty stomach and an empty travel calendar.

AGM and travelbunny, what great trips!

Byrd


AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 30th, 2004 04:52 AM

Ibrawer- Thanks for the response. Overall it was a good experience. If you are going in warmer weather they have a beautiful courtyard that would be a lovely place to enjoy lunch. The dress code- hmm, my husband wore a jacket and tie, I wore my standard-silk over-blouse with linen or silk slacks. At the next table was a young man who looked and dressed like my nephew-black baggie pants and a black t-shirt with some sort of logo on it. So I leave it to you but for lunch I would suggest a business casual kind of outfit. Enjoy.

cigalechanta Mar 30th, 2004 05:28 AM

overall, the Clos de Violette is dressier than most Provenál retaurants, including the waiters. At the Mas de Couree Bourse, th figs will be in bloom and when I was staying there, I ate my fill.

AGM_Cape_Cod Mar 30th, 2004 06:40 AM

Cigale-lucky you! That is the one thing we regretted that it wasn't fully into the growing season. We would have loved fresh figs. Since my husband is a school teacher we are very limited as to travel times. I am sure that the crowds in Provence are atrocious in the summer. We talk about a tomato tour sometime in the future when he has retired.

cigalechanta Mar 30th, 2004 07:19 AM

we were limited to summer also. The crowds never bothered us and we usually stay in small villages where there's not alot of tourist traffic. Plus you see the lavender in all its prime time beauty.


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