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gertie3751 Jul 7th, 2005 03:55 PM

Fodors has Censorship Police huh?

gertie3751 Jul 7th, 2005 03:58 PM

Glad I'm from a city that has freedom of expression even if it did get bombed today

Marilyn Jul 7th, 2005 04:05 PM

gertie, I don't know that I'd call them Censorship Police. They do pull posts or entire threads when they become offensive or hateful towards a particular person, which happens very predictably once a thread turns political. The editors also sometimes delete threads that have nothing to do with travel, although they allow a certain amount of leniency. But let's not get off on that tangent on this thread...

thanos_GR Jul 7th, 2005 04:15 PM

Is not good messages have dissapeared.

I send from Myconos my best wishes to all in London and the U.K. - I hope your sadness and fear is better when time moves on.

thanos

aev90210 Jul 7th, 2005 04:26 PM

I can't believe the original thread got deleted. I was very impressed that Fodor's forum had news of the tragedy before most U.S. news agencies had it. I was also impressed to see the British presence here and the outpouring of concern. Sorry to hear that some people here don't know when to keep their political mouth shut. There's a time and a place for everything. This was not the time or the place.

SandyBrit Jul 7th, 2005 04:32 PM

I posted on the first thread this morning with tears streaming down my face. The horror in London this morning reminded me of the terrible day of 9/11. I left for work with a very heavy heart but encouraged by the thoughts, sympathy and support being offered here. Many of my wonderful American co-workers came by to say how shocked and sad they were at the London bombings.

As previously stated my prayers and thoughts are with all those in London and who suffer because of these terrible deeds.

Thank you Marilyn for letting us all know what happened to the previous thread. I also wonder if it is possible to bring it back with the offending posts removed for reading.

Sandy

Yawn_boring Jul 7th, 2005 04:37 PM

despicable behaviour yanking the original thread by the fodors gang. at the least they should have shut it down by not letting any one reply. terrible that all those warm and heartfelt messages are gone becuase of some silly editor.

ThinGorjus Jul 7th, 2005 04:37 PM

Hello, Marilyn. I don't believe the London thread was pulled because of a few polemic statements or the complaints of some agony aunts. I have been posting here for a long time and have noticed that threads that deal with terrorism are often deleted. Why? Fodor's is a travel business and terrorism is very bad for business.

I rang London this afternoon to see how Aunt Pat and Uncle Terry were getting on. It seems Aunt Pat was in St. Mary's Hospital, Paddington, with a kidney infection. She was asked to give up her bed for one of the wounded in the bombing. Of course, with a resolve that would put the Queen to shame, she gave up her bed. She is now resting quietly at home. Poor Uncle Terry and to drive through all the barackades to retrieve her. He is probably sucking on a fag right now, his nerves are so shot.

I'm having a large gin to help me get through the evening. I hope you are doing the same.

Marilyn Jul 7th, 2005 04:41 PM

Let me be clear that I do not have any insider knowledge. I couldn't find the original thread, and kept searching because I couldn't believe it would be pulled in its entirety. I am just assuming it was the political posts that got it pulled, as that has happened before.

It was very moving, as people who were in the midst of London wrote in with their immediate experience, and loving words of support were offered from all around the world.

I know this forum is based in the US and most of the posters are from here. But it is truly an international forum, and these are the times when it is comforting to know that people around the world are thinking of you.

ThinGorjus Jul 7th, 2005 04:42 PM

Oooooops. I mean barricade. I didn't think I had that much gin.

AllanNYC Jul 7th, 2005 04:42 PM

A New Yorker here, offering my best wishes and condolences to all in London and the UK.

I have friends and collegues in London and hope they and their loved ones are all safe and well, as I do for all thos affected by the events od this sad day.

I look forward to once again being in your fine city on July, 22.

In solidarity,

Allan

Leely Jul 7th, 2005 04:47 PM

ThinG,
Could repost the Auden poem before you get too drunk? It was quite moving--another thing lost when the other thread was yanked.

My thoughts and sympathies are with those in London.

Marilyn Jul 7th, 2005 04:48 PM

Thin, they did not pull the 9/11, tsunami or hurricane threads which expressed similar support for those affected. Or at least not the same day as the events occurred.

No gin yet, but you are 3 hours ahead of me. (I know you pour it in your coffee cup every morning, but I simply don't have the constitution for that.)

Glad your aunt and uncle are safe, and what a trouper she is! I am still waiting to hear from 2 good friends in London that they are ok.

2136 Jul 7th, 2005 05:03 PM

Any political comment is fine as long as it supports the President. Don't complain about Fodors protecting us from the unpatriotic rabble.

ThinGorjus Jul 7th, 2005 05:03 PM

I had posted a few lines of Auden's poem "In Memory of WB Yeats." (Yeats is my favourite poet.)

In the nightmare of the dark
All the dogs of Europe bark,
And the living nations wait,
Each sequestered in its hate;

Intellectual disgrace
Stares from every human face,
And the seas of pity lie
Locked and frozen in each eye.

Follow, poet, follow right
To the bottom of the night,
With your unconstraining voice
Still persuade us to rejoice;

With the farming of a verse
Make a vineyard of the curse,
Sing of human unsuccess
In a rapture of distress;

In the deserts of the heart
Let the healing fountain start,
In the prison of his days
Teach the free man how to praise.





obxgirl Jul 7th, 2005 05:11 PM

Auden is wonderful but Yeat is the best. Thank you, ThinG.

obxgirl Jul 7th, 2005 05:12 PM

Yeats. Of course.

socialworker Jul 7th, 2005 05:15 PM

I did not see the original thread as I am away from home. Although I do not have time to read all the posts above right now, may I suggest that all posters and fodorites write to the editors and ask them to reinstate the thread. Maybe this will help....

Robespierre Jul 7th, 2005 05:27 PM

"Any political comment is fine as long as it supports the President. Don't complain about Fodors protecting us from the unpatriotic rabble."

What you really mean is, "Any political comment is fine as long as it agrees with my version of the truth." And so you paint your detractors with epithets.

Sounds more like the Taliban than a citizen of a democracy.

Marilyn Jul 7th, 2005 05:32 PM

Please don't do this here, guys.


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