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The running of the bulls, day 3
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Didn't watch it, but found some images that give me great pleasure:
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...1trCIr7-A_ypKQ https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...Q1bCPDWZKcF3Ow One of my favorites: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...lToh4MoK6MYvMq Another "like" https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...roIoz1cTDtiL-Q I wish they would all end like that: https://dionneshannette.files.wordpr...r-the-bull.jpg Mark |
Tradition which is famous thanks to Ernest Hemingway, it´s said more than 60% of people who run the San Fermin are foreigners (Americans) (24%),; -(Australians o kiwis) (11%). Only 6% from Pamplona.
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cdnyul --
"Didn't watch it, but found some images that give me great pleasure" You are one sick person. |
> it´s said more than 60% of people who run the San Fermin are foreigners (Americans) (24%),; -(Australians o kiwis) (11%). Only 6% from Pamplona.<
Where did you get those stats? 6% from Pamplona? The vast majoriy of "runners" are from Navara, Basque country, Aragon, Madrid Catalunya and a few Brits and a hand full of Scotts. There are a few thousand from Australia and New Zeland, but very free actually run the encierro. Most are too drunk to wake up early enough, and would be removed from the route by the Police if they did show up. Americns runners make up about 6% to 8% of those who actually run on most days. Every one else stands on the side, blocking the runners and causing pile ups. |
Robert, surely you don't run anymore, right ? I know there are some who do forever, like Matt Carney, but please, not you. We need you here !
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La procedencia de los conteos de personas proceden de este sistema, según nos indica el Ayuntamiento de Pamplona: "Las cifras de corredores se corresponden con los recuentos realizados sobre la base de las fotografías obtenidas a partir de las imágenes proporcionadas por la Policía Municipal, procedentes de cámaras situadas a lo largo del recorrido, minutos antes del cohete que anuncia el inicio del encierro."
El 56% de los corredores de los encierros de estos Sanfermines era extranjero: -Estadounidenses (24%), -Australianos o neozelandeses (11%) -Británicos (4%), -Franceses (2,5%) -Sudamericanos (2,5%) Según las encuestas realizadas por el Ayuntamiento 739 corredores (8% del total) del encierro eran de Pamplona, un 6% del resto de localidades de Navarra y un 30% españoles http://www.sanfermin.com/index.php/e...o-de-sanfermin |
Go Bulls - 4 gorings today - those who abuse animals deserve what they get! Culling the herd IMO. and one bull refused to run, returning to the pen - first time in a long time - bulls getting smarter than the runner? But it all ends up as hamburger in the end.
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"Go Bulls - 4 gorings today - those who abuse animals deserve what they get!"
Another sicko. |
Another sicko.> Along with those who needlessly torment and abuse animals - they are your clarions of nice healthy folk? Catalonia outlawed bullfighting and soon all of Spain will as well.
Do you enjoy seeing animals abused - get your fun out of that - now that's sicko IMO. |
"Do you enjoy seeing animals abused"
No I do not. But I certainly don't take joy in seeing humans gored. I accept it as part of the ritual, but I do not enjoy it. |
Well I don't either really - I wish no one would be foolish enough to let themselves be gored - so I will temper my remarks but in a way the more gored the less this will continue is my rational.
And I guess traditions have a role - women were not allowed to run with the bulls until recently - the first ones being snatched off the gauntlet by macho men - again I can appreciate the tradition but I abhor needless animal abuse - one reason I am a vegetarian, besides health reasons. I will remark no more here on this - I can see both sides but some day it will all be a in the history books I hope. Meanwhile let the tradition continue and the local people decide what is right and wrong for them - again I hope they sooner or later become compassionate for animal abuse but we have states where dog fighting is legal - Lousiana I believe and many where they are tolerated so who is to speak. Cheers. |
Cheers.
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So you let others do your killing where you do not see it.
Here are just a few products you will have to stop using if you are ethical as you claim that come from cows and bulls: Leathe. Gel capsules often are made from bovine gelatin. Bars of soap probably come from processed cow tallow fat. Asphalt roads may contain bovine fatty acids. Cars and trucks may ply those roads on rubber tires made with cow oils. The explosive nitroglycerine is manufactured from glycerine, which is extracted from cow fat. Cattle byproducts go into everything from photographic film to matchstick heads. Consider: Glue made from cow's blood is widely used to make plywood. The cow's nasal septum is processed into chondroitin sulfate, an alternative medical treatment for arthritis. Extracted protein from horns and hooves goes into foam for fire extinguishers. The root gland of the tongue yields pregastric lipase, which is used in cheese production as a curdling agent. Tissue from the small intestines becomes catgut for racket strings or surgical sutures. Epinephrine from the adrenal gland can treat hay fever, asthma or other allergies, or stimulate the heart in the event of cardiac arrest. Catalase, a liver enzyme, goes into contact lens care products. _________________ Have a pleasant dinner. |
I don't always agree with PalenQ, but I'm with him 100% here.
No one forces the fools to run. No one gives the bulls a choice. BTW, this 'tradition' has just been removed from the cultural patrimonium. |
My grandparents were farmers and, as a child, I have seen chickens beheaded and pigs slaughtered. On occasion, my favourite rabbit would be our dinner.
What I have not seen is the animals that we ate being gratuitously abused. Death was not the highlight of their life. Mark |
There is one apocryphal tale the The Encierro was first run by butchers, as an attempt to give the bulls a chance to seek their revenge.
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Go Bulls! (Chicago!)
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PalenQ might be interested to know that bull running (correbous) still thrives in Catalonia. Bullfighting was banned not out of compassion for the animals but for political reasons i.e. the classic 'corrida' involving the torero in his 'suit of lights' is perceived by catalan separatists as a foreign imposition. Go to catalan villages or towns in the summer months and you'll find toros embolados (bulls with their horns tipped with rags dipped in tar and set on fire), ensogados (bulls trussed with rope and pulled around the village square) etc. A grotesque affair. Andalucia is bullfighting territory para excellence. Try going into a tasca in Carmona (Sevilla) and telling them that bullfighting's days are numbered. They'll either laugh in your face or run you out of town. It ain't that easy or that cut and dried.
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Bravo and Ole, Mac !!
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Here in Galicia, in the city of A Coruña there is a movement to stop the bull fighting.
https://www.facebook.com/galiciamell...uradas?fref=nf Yes it is a FB page as they have yet to get a website working. |
We should boycott Sevilla then.
And watch fights with chickens or dogs. Seems it is cultural in some countries. |
I´m andalusian and for me is a shame all the corridas and the ferias, now in august we have 2 weeks of bullfighting in a row, 6 bulls are killed everyday in La Malagueta.
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To be fair, Ribe, bullfighting was never popular in Galicia to begin with.
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And, there's an independece movement in Galicia, too.
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It must have been quite popular for there to be several arenas in Galicia.
Independence has nothing to do with this action. Your comment is as if all of the Spaniards have no compassion for animals. Going back to the events in Pamplona. Not only is this event unsafe for bulls it is unsafe for women too. http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2015/07...22b8b457a.html |
Sexist - too and Spain - a pseudo modern country - remains a backwater of sexism and sanctioned animal torture. Yet folks continue to hype this macho sadistic event where women are bullied to remain out of the action. Bravo Espagne!
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<Spain - a pseudo modern country - remains a backwater of sexism and sanctioned animal torture>
Exceptionalism at its worse! |
I'm just wondering how it works to participate in the bull run: Do you have to sign up previously? Where can you do that and is it necessary to do it in advance? Are there any requirements - except being drunk of course?
I'm just curious ... Colins |
<I'm just wondering how it works to participate in the bull run>
No signing up, just be within the enclosed route some half an hour before the run starts. My best memory from running is the tense "convivencia" spirit in the bars along the route in the minutes leading up to the run - when everybody drinks chocolate and feed eachother with churros or whatever - and then go out in the street with their rolled newspapers to sing the blessing "A San Fermin pedimos..." shortly before the bulls are launched just down the road. Only idiots are drunk at this hour, and those who obviously pose a danger to others (the biggest problem when it comes to injuries is people stumbling on top of eachother, and then it can get nasty if a bull is right behind) will not be allowed into the route or shown away by the police: http://runningofthebulls.travel/la-p...-the-festival/ |
Sexist - too and Spain - a pseudo modern country - remains a backwater of sexism and sanctioned animal torture. Yet folks continue to hype this macho sadistic event where women are bullied to remain out of the action. Bravo Espagne!
_________ If you are going to insult a country, at least do it in their language. It is not Spanish. Not Catalan. Not Euskadi. Not Galego. That's right French. As far as being backward and sexist Decriminalized prostitution in 1995 Legalized gay marriage in 2005 The Mayors of Madrid and Barcelona are leftist women And considering that Franco has been dead only for 40 years, I would say that Spain has made much progress than many nations. Facts and logic the enemies of prejudice. |
IMD - you have shown me the light - yes my initial reaction was a hyperbole not proven out in facts - The Running of the Bulls remains sexist and endorses animal torture but not all of Spain which with your facts come to light sounds like Spain is as progressive in those realms as any European country.
Bravo! PS - I were not writing in Spanish nor French - Bravo being also an Anglicism like used in our rodeos. |
No you just ignoring all the other progressive accomplishments in Spain because it does not fit your prejudice and narrative. No matter what language you think you are using.
BTW, the etymology of bravo is Italian meaning bold. |
Bravo Espagne is not French.
Thanks PQ for your clarification (and I mean it). Generalities are always wrong of course. Except when about Belgians : we're all beautiful, smart, well behaving, and ... so humble. |
Bravo Espagne is not French.>
I was subconciously using French for Spain in stead of Espagna - put an e instead of an a. Bull-fighting like our rodeos and bull-riding is a macho sport appealing mainly to men I think - bullying (no pun intended) women off the Running of the Bulls course is just that - a macho perception of women as inferior in that regards - surprsing in a Spain so enlightened (seriously). |
Bull fighting started in Crete about 2000 years ago and if makes you feel better there are depictions that women used to confront the bulls as well at that time.
Maybe the Spaniards will contradict me, but I think one reason why Spaniards cling to bull fighting is the homogenization that the EU imposes on other areas of the members' lives. It is identified with the Spanish and something that keeps them unique and does not need approval of a committee comprised of foreigners. (PQ it is España in Castilian.) |
http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/(spain)
It's Espana in Spanish, right - I am a stamp collector! |
Poor Matt Carney died years ago. I met him the first time in '85 as he paraded around with his entourage. He was a very runner when he was much younger.
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Please note, there where officily 1,400,000,000 visivators to Pamplona for the fiesta, Allowing those without rooms to spend 300€ and those with rooms to part with an average 3,000€ `each, MECA will have collected somewhat around 310,000,000€
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