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danon Aug 16th, 2024 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Michael (Post 17590235)
So what is the "change of airport" line in the screen shot?

Iberia is acting as RENFE’s agent by adding the train ticket to the air.
Since Iberia is an airline, the train stations are given IATA codes.


Paqngo Aug 16th, 2024 06:38 PM

We did something similar this past April. We ended our trip in Toledo and would’ve stayed too late there except for our flight was canceled and had to rearrange the very ending of our trip. If you do have to make a transfer from one train station to the other in Madrid, it’s very easy. There is a computer train that goes in between the two and it’s all part of your ticket so you don’t have to buy another ticket. Our itinerary was Madrid -4 days train to Granada 3 days, train to Seville 4 nights, train to Valencia 4 nights train to Toledo.

We used Iryo for some tickets and Renfe for others.

Michael Aug 31st, 2024 03:27 PM

I established what I hope will be a final itinerary. We are arriving in Madrid on Oct. 12 and leaving from Seville to JFK on Nov. 1. That's booked. I reserved a room in Toledo, but am holding up on the rest because we still do not know if our request to visit the Alhambra has been accepted. One pays, and then one waits for 72 hours before receiving either a confirmation or a denial. If we can't visit the Alhambra, we will have to possibly change the internal itinerary, maybe adding a day to Valencia and a day to Cordoba, we have already allocated 5 days to Seville.

kja Aug 31st, 2024 04:01 PM

Once you hear abiout the Alhambra (my fingers are crossed for you!), please post your "final" itinerary .... if, that is, you are willing to hear tweaks or suggestions. ;-0

Maribel Sep 4th, 2024 08:55 AM

Just a note about the train station change for the AVEs and Avlos to Valencia from Atocha, now to the Chamartín rail station (undergoing a massive construction project) in the Northern business district. Ditto to trains going to Alicante/Alacant. This is not a temporary change.

Maribel Sep 4th, 2024 10:30 AM

Just a note about the "free" Cercanías ticket:
the Cercanías commuter or suburban rail line is the one that runs from Atocha station to Chamartín station (and other suburban destinations). It is only free or complimentary if one purchases a high speed or long distance rail ticket through Renfe or its affiliates, the Trainline or Petrabax.
www.renfe.com
There are other rail companies that compete with Renfe to provide high speed rail service now in Spain.
If you purchase a high speed rail ticket from the low cost French OUIGO or the low cost Renfe option, the AVLO, your ticket will not include the Combo Cercanías 5 digit bar code that allows you to introduce and secure, via the self service machines, a free Cercanías ticket within 4 hours of your high speed or long distance departure or arrival.
Your RENFE rail ticket will have this 5-digit bar code at the top left corner that will indicate "Combinado Cercanías".

The Italian train company IRYO, now operating on certain high-speed routes--- IRYO tickets do also include this free suburban rail ticket.
For an IRYO ticket's free Combo Cercanías ticket, you must scan the QR code on your ticket at the readers at the Cercanías turnstiles to travel between stations such as Atocha to Chamarttín, or between Barajas airport and Atocha or Chamartín.

This is all explained better here-
https://www.thetrainline.com/en/trai...nado-cercanias




Michael Sep 4th, 2024 03:15 PM

Can I use a printed ticket in these instances? I am of the 20th century and do not have a smart phone. I am going to go from Toledo to Valencia which will require the change of train stations if going by train.

Michael Sep 4th, 2024 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by kja (Post 17594110)
Once you hear abiout the Alhambra (my fingers are crossed for you!), please post your "final" itinerary .... if, that is, you are willing to hear tweaks or suggestions. ;-0

Here's the itinerary in terms of travel days, sights not concretized except for the Alhambra.

October11-12 SFO to Toledo
two full days in Toledo
October 15 Toledo to Valencia
4 full days in Valencia
October 20 Valencia to Granada
two full days in Grenada
October 23 Granada to Cordoba
two full days in Cordoba
October 26 Cordoba to Seville
5 full days in Seville
November 1 Seville to JFK via Lisbon

We already have hotel reservations for Toledo and Granada, thinking of an apartment for the longer stays (Valencia and Seville)

Do we need reservations for the mezquita?

kja Sep 4th, 2024 05:33 PM

Sounds wonderful, Michael! I haven't been to Valencia yet (not for lack of interest), but was glad to have 2 full days in Toledo, 3 full days in Granada, 2 full days in Cordoba, and 4 full days in Seville (where more time would have been welcome). So -- you've decided to exclude Ronda, Malaga, Cadiz, etc.? I'm not questioning your decision, just taking note and confirming....

You are going to have such a wonderful experience!

I'm sure Maribel will give far better advice about the Mezquita than I can.

Maribel Sep 5th, 2024 03:15 AM

Michael,
Yes, you can use a printed ticket. We print our train tickets as well as have them on our smart phones, simply for a backup. Most Spaniards do just have them on their smart phones, but we always have a back up plan.

The Valencia to Granada by train will make for a long day and the ride will eat up a good chunk of that day, as you'll switch from an AVE to an AVANT in Córdoba.
Although the far is 20 euros more expensive, you might want to opt for the Confort class, which will provide you with a 2 + 1 seat configuration, a quieter ride, more leg room and an XL seat in the preferente car. (There are no non-stop flights from Valencia to Granada.)

Edited to add: Never mind!!!!! I see from your other thread that you've already purchased your Valencia to Granada rail tickets and know that you make a train change in Córdoba, so ignore the above (I'll just leave the info here for others contemplating that rail journey)

About the Mezquita:
Yes, from my recent experience, you should purchase advance tickets to the Mezquita so that you don't have to work your Córdoba sightseeing around accommodating for the limited ticket availability if you wait until you arrival at the monument.

Example: we arrived at the ticket office at 10:30 am on a weekday (pre Holy Week) and found that timed tickets were only available starting at 2 pm. There was a long line at the ticket counter, but there are also self service machines from which to purchase tickets with c.c.. Because we've visited Córdoba and the Mezquita multiple times during many years and know the city quite well, this wasn't a hardship, but just a pain. So we adjusted our sightseeing.

We also secured tickets to the evocative sound and light evening visit, "The Soul of Córdoba", which ekscrunchy and I highly recommend. It begins with a very informative video (headphones in various languages), tracing the fascinating history of its construction in stages by each Calif, then continues with a one-hour tour, accompanied by a hostess and guards (no photographing allowed). Because it's capacity controlled (about 80 visitors on our tour), it felt like we had this magnificent, vast building to ourselves, without having to dodge the tour groups and selfie sticks.
But it's an enhancement to the day visit rather than a substitute, just as a night visit to the Nasrid Palace is to the day visit of the Alhambra.

Michael Sep 5th, 2024 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by gc1486 (Post 17595371)
Search for Picos de Europa. Amazing place!!

Wrong area of Spain as far as this trip is concerned.

Maribel Sep 6th, 2024 05:27 AM

Official ticket purchasing site for Córdoba's Mosque-Cathedral here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Alcázar here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Cathedral here.

I assume you purchased your Alhambra tickets through the official site here

Michael Sep 6th, 2024 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 17595476)
Official ticket purchasing site for Córdoba's Mosque-Cathedral here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Alcázar here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Cathedral here.

I assume you purchased your Alhambra tickets through the official site here


You assumed wrong, not that I did not try. I avoid the "sponsored" sites and thought that I was on the official site, but that was not the case. That represents a 30€ differential per ticket. Once purchased, tickets are non-refundable. I really appreciate the information given. Thanks.

Maribel Sep 6th, 2024 09:14 AM

That´s what I was afraid of, because I didn´t understand why you would need to wait 72 hours to find out whether you had Alhambra tickets or not. If you book on www.alhambra-patronato.org the purchase is immediate. No waiting.
Sorry!! But for others, please use the official site!

Michael Sep 8th, 2024 01:19 PM

Maribel,

You mention that one could break up the Alhambra visit with lunch at the Hotel America, which was the Hostal America when we were last in Granada in 1985. At that time I believe that we paid $30 per day for two with breakfast and lunch or breakfast and dinner. Prices and condition have changed. Is a reservation for lunch necessary?

Maribel Sep 15th, 2024 05:32 AM

Yes, Michael, it was the family-run Hostal América when I stayed there in the 80s, a tiny, simple place, chock-a-block with plants, ceramics, antique furnishings. I can't remember what we paid but it was indeed a very cheap option, My traveling companions didn't want to splurge for the Parador, although back then the Parador wasn't nearly as costly as it now is, and was always full. The 1-star América used to close during the winter, but I don't know if that's the case now.

In high season, you would probably need to reserve for lunch but in March, we just walked in. But you might just send them an email to ask. [email protected]
https://www.hotelamericagranada.com/en/restaurant/.

Michael Sep 22nd, 2024 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Maribel (Post 17595476)
Official ticket purchasing site for Córdoba's Mosque-Cathedral here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Alcázar here.

Official ticket purchasing site for Seville's Cathedral here.

I assume you purchased your Alhambra tickets through the official site here

Maribel,
Thanks again for the information. A family crisis has intervened, hence this period of silence. I do have questions. For the Alcázar are senior rates for all seniors or only Euro seniors? Is the timed entrance--the only option given--a general admission or meant as a guided tour? what is the difference between these two options: Visita Real Alcázar de Sevilla or Visita Real Alcázar + Cuarto Real Alto. Is the second including the immediate neighborhood? Again, guided or self-guided with an audio guide?

As for the cathedral. there are numerous tours offered, including getting on the roof and the indoor balconies to better see the stained glass windows. Only guided tours for those areas? I would think so for the exterior, but the interior spaces. For a satisfactory visit, which tour should I choose?

It used to be so simple back in the days. Back in 2006, a tour of the roof of the cathedral in Santiago de Comppostella was a spur of the moment choice;


Maribel Sep 22nd, 2024 09:28 PM

For the Alcázar in Sevilla, the senior rates are for all seniors. On the Spanish language oficial web site, it says this in red: "* Las entradas reducidas, antes eran sólo para ciudadanos de la Unión Europea. Ahora es para todo el mundo".
The timed entrance is for general admission.

The first option, "Visita Real Alcázar de Sevilla" allows entrance to the ground floor and the gardens, the entire complex except for the Royal Apartments, or as it says in English, the Royal Bedrooms, the area upstairs, which is still the official residence of the Spanish monarchs when they visit the city.

"Visita Real Alcázar + Cuarto Real" allows one to visit both the Alcázar, the gardens and the upstairs Royal residence, but the latter is via a timed entry, and escorted tour with security guard accompanying the small group (no photography allowed) and via an audio guide (English is available). For one's timed entry for this guided tour, one must arrive upstairs no later than 15 minutes prior to this tour. One can enter the Alcázar itself one hour prior to your timed guided visit to the Apartments. Prior to this upstairs visit, one must stash cameras, purses, backpacks in a locker. (We also left our cell phones in the locker). Bring one euro for this. The euro is returned to you after the visit. And these lockers are secure.
During the visit, the security guard indicates to the group when they can move from one room to another. One can't wander.

These tours of the Royal Apartments (Royal Bedrooms in English) do sell out and are only loaded on the purchasing page one month in advance. For the entire month of October there is already very limited availability for this Royal Bedrooms visit, only a few slots for October 27. These escorted visits are given from 10:00 to 3:00 pm only.

As for the cathedral, there are now several options.
Most visitors opt for the cathedral + Giralda (former Moorish minaret, now the bell tower), reached via a ramp rather than steps.
This can be done independently without a guide, purchasing an audio guide for 5 euros, or on a guided visit, which gives you access to more sections of the cathedral that previously had never been open to visitors.

This visit begins with the Giralda and after going to the top, one descends to visit the Cathedral.
This ticket also now includes entrance to the gorgeously Baroque Iglesia del Salvador, but you need not visit this monument on the same day. You can visit the Iglesia del Salvador on the following day or I believe it's even valid for 3 days, but I'm not sure.

I haven't taken the roof top tour nor have I done the interior visit to the stained glass windows.

I would opt for the ticket that allows entrance to the Cathedral + La Giralda + Iglesia del Salvador with an audio guide, and if you prefer, see the latter monument the next day, although they are located very close to each other.
On the purchasing page, it is the first one, "Recommended visit with Audioguide - Cathedral and Giralda (includes church of El Salvador)"

I haven't taken the guided visit. I've just used the audio guide.

Very avid photographers tell me that the views from the roof top are entirely different from the views from the Giralda, so if you want to take photos from the roof top, add that.

No, purchasing tickets for the major sites in Spain last minute is no longer recommended at all due to the huge number of tourists this year visiting them. And Sevilla is one of the cities now suffering from over tourism-over saturation, as you may see, especially in the area around the Cathedral, Alcázar and in the Barrio de Santa Cruz.

Michael Oct 5th, 2024 03:02 PM

Another question: I have made reservations for the major sites in Andalusia, but none for Toledo and Valencia. Any reservations absolutely necessary for these two cities (we have our lodging)? Thanks.

Maribel Oct 5th, 2024 08:44 PM

Major sights in Toledo: the vast majority of visitors go on their own and buy tickets directly at the sites, because they wait to buy their Avant train tickets a couple of days before (considering the weather and the time they might have for this day trip). Remember that Monday is not an optimal day for Toledo sightseeing because several of the monuments/museums are closed, including the Sephardic Museum/Synagogue of the Transit. The cathedral doesn't open for cultural visits on Sundays until 2 pm.

I've never purchased online tickets for any site in Valencia. I just go early to the cathedral, which is a major draw and attracts many visitors.


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