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Kayb95 Apr 9th, 2005 09:58 AM

Both those articles are addressing the issue of Camilla becoming queen upon the death of the current queen. Whether or not she will be queen when Charles becomes king, William will become king upon Charles's death.

If, indeed, Camilla is titled queen one day, she will only be queen while her husband lives.

Another question, though... Upon Charles' death, what would Camilla's title be? Surely not Queen Mother. Dowager Queen?

Barbara Apr 9th, 2005 09:59 AM

got1tiel,

You are misunderstanding the meaning of these articles. They refer only to the title Camilla will use when Charles accedes to the throne. Once Charles becomes King, there is every possibility that Camilla will be known as "Queen Camilla". She would have this title only because she would be the wife of the reigning King. In the highly unlikely event that Charles was to abdicate after acceding to the throne, William would become King and Camilla would have some other title. There is absolutely no chance that Camilla would ever be queen in her own right.

Barbara Apr 9th, 2005 10:02 AM

Kayb95,

I was wondering that as I was typing my last response. I agree, not "Queen Mother, because she's not. I really don't know.

mari5 Apr 9th, 2005 10:07 AM

Camilla looked very lovely....had poise and warmth. She loves the outdoors , as does he,....and it looks like she will do her royal duties at functions just fine.
Too bad about the critisism she has recieved.

cambe Apr 9th, 2005 10:11 AM

I think she would revert back to 'The Dutchess of Cornwall'
That is her title

Sue4 Apr 9th, 2005 12:11 PM

I enjoyed watching all the festivities, and loved the hats! I thought Camilla loved lovely. Of course, she's no Diana (but who is?), and I wish the British media would lay off of her now. For me, it was nice to see this couple who obviously love each other, finally having this wonderful day. After all, you know the saying, "Love conquers all"!

Bedar Apr 9th, 2005 12:30 PM

The Russian Orthodox part of the service was The Nicene Creed.

ThinGorjus Apr 9th, 2005 02:31 PM

Sorry, Babs, but Diana Spencer was not of royal blood. She was a commoner, just like Camilla, although she was an aristocrat.

Camilla most certainly would not become the monarch of Great Britain if Charles died. That title will go to William. Angela Bowes-Lyon, the Queen Mother, did NOT become reigning monarch when her husband, King George VI, died.

It was only Angela Bowes-Lyon who styled herself "The Queen Mother." No other dowager queen used that title, not even Queen Mary.


Barbara Apr 9th, 2005 02:44 PM

Thin, I though Diana was "of the blood royal"(!). In any case, I think it wouldn't be a bad thing to let them marry whoever they want, barring actual axe murderers, of course. The royal gene pool could use a little help.

The Queen Mother's name was Angela?

Barbara Apr 9th, 2005 02:45 PM

Thin, it was Elizabeth.

Dreamer2 Apr 9th, 2005 03:06 PM

Thanks again, Kay, for clearing that up.
Dowager Queen??? Yuk!!!
(Although, that sort of suits her! )
Duchess of Cornwall sounds much better.

Hey, did anyone see the girl standing near Harry and William outside on the church steps? I thought she looked a lot like Fergie and was wondering if that was one of her daughters. Anybody know? And were Charles's brothers and sister there?

Yes, they certainly are a dysfunctional group. I wonder if Camilla had any remorse if/when she had any flashbacks to the sham wedding.

Hey, do you think near 60-year olds feel they have to consumate the wedding that night, even though they are exhausted, and have basically been living together for years??? :) Yes, a bizarre, random thought. But I'm bored as heck tonight!



ThinGorjus Apr 9th, 2005 03:11 PM

Yes, the "Queen Mother" was born Lady Elizabeth Angela Bowes-Lyon, daughter of the Earl of Strathmore. She also was a commoner.


Glitterball Apr 9th, 2005 03:28 PM

I've never really thought of the sons and daughters of Earls and Dukes as being "commoners" - I don't think they can really be described as such.

What a nuts country we live in when you think about it!

Glitterball Apr 9th, 2005 03:34 PM

and yes that was Fergie's daughters Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie (with the heeeouge hat)

ThinGorjus Apr 9th, 2005 03:49 PM

Well, Glitterball, even though I was born in England, I have lived in the US for 26 years now. So I really don't know if England is a "nuts country." I do remember my English history, however. It also helps that my mother also lives in the US to help remind of things that I have forgotten.

You can be the offspring of a duke or earl and still be royal, depending on whether or not the duke or earl has an "HRH" in his title. It is all very confusing. Maybe you are right about a "nuts country."

Glitterball Apr 9th, 2005 03:51 PM

Well speaking as a Scot I think England is definitely a nuts country ;-) (dodging English partner who is getting ready to slap me).

obxgirl Apr 9th, 2005 04:36 PM

>Princess Eugenie (with the heeeouge hat)<

Yes, it looked like something out of Dr. Seuss!

teacherlady Apr 9th, 2005 07:37 PM

Actually ThinGorgus, Princess Diana was of more royal British blood than Charles. She was a descendant of James I of Scotland who became king after the death of Elizabeth I. Also, she and Charles were very distant cousins.

Neil_Oz Apr 9th, 2005 08:59 PM

I read somewhere that after James' accession a popular joke was that "King Elizabeth has been succeeded by Queen James."

Barbara Apr 10th, 2005 09:10 AM

Glitterball, LOL!

Thin, yes, the Queen Mother was a commoner, but when she married, her husband was not the heir to the throne and it was not though likely that he would ever become king. The modern equivalent would be Sarah Ferguson.


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