Sorry. I certainly meant "sophisticated" in a good way, not in that "been there, done that" way which I, too, dislike.<BR><BR>As far as getting together in January, whenever and wherever it is, I'll do my best to attend. Since everyone's so busy, and since Elaine had such a tough time establishing a consensus this time, perhaps someone should just throw out a time, a place, and an actual email address - I don't mind using this one, since I use it only for listservs, and most spam goes away automatically.<BR>What I can't do is come up with a convenient location, since I live in CT.