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sarasota Nov 18th, 2013 06:57 PM

motorhome regulations for Europe
 
My husband and I and our kids are hoping to use our cousins motorhome in Europe to travel but just heard that there might be an issue with seatbelts. In Canada you can put more people than seat belts in the motorhome as long as the seatbelts available are being used. But we have just heard that that might not be the case for Europe. Does anyone know? Or know of a website or a place to contact? I've tried just googling it but can't seem to find out the actual law. We will be in the UK as well as a Holland, Germany, Italy, Hungary and France. Any suggestions? There will be 2 adults and 4 small children if that makes a difference.

sarasota Nov 18th, 2013 06:58 PM

I should note that the motorhome we have available to use only has 4 seatbelts. Thanks for the help!

thursdaysd Nov 18th, 2013 08:15 PM

Well, there is this for the UK:
http://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/magazi...best-practise/

But why would you not want ALL your kids to be belted in? Is one more expendable than the others?

crellston Nov 18th, 2013 10:39 PM

Seat belts are compulsory for every passenger in the UK and I imagine this is the case in all EU countries. You will be breaking the law if you do not comply and this is one traffic law that is rigidly enforced, at least in the UK. In the case of a parent not ensuring that a child is using a seatbelt I would expect ( and hope) that the penalties would be the maximum allowed. A further consideration is that, in the event of an accident, the absence of sufficient seatbelts could invalidate the insurance cover..

thursdaysd Nov 18th, 2013 11:11 PM

Further research says that all passengers must wear seat belts in Ontario, at least. I guess the OP must live in a different province.

sparkchaser Nov 18th, 2013 11:21 PM

This link should answer your question: http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_s...s/index_en.htm

<i>Seat belts are the easiest and cheapest way to avoid injury in a crash. They do not require any special technology and are fitted in all cars. Since 2006, wearing seatbelts is compulsory in all vehicles throughout the EU.

Under EU law, drivers and passengers must wear a seat belt in any seat fitted with one.

...

Children

- children under 1.35 m tall, or travelling in cars/lorries fitted with safety devices, must use an approved device for their size.
- taller children may use an adult seat belt.
- rear-facing child restraints are no longer allowed on front passenger seats unless the airbag has been deactivated.
</i>

thursdaysd Nov 18th, 2013 11:23 PM

Hmm. Seems the OP must live in Nunavut. According to Woodalls, which should be a reliable source of RV info, all passengers are required to wear seat belts in all other Canadian provinces.

http://www.woodalls.com/articledetai...icleID=2377513

sparkchaser Nov 18th, 2013 11:33 PM

It does make sense that you can't buckle up more people than you have seat belts for but if you have children, they all have to be buckled up. That's the EU law on the matter.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-06-583_el.htm

<b>The latest European Directive[1] on the compulsory use of seat belts has to be incorporated into law in the Member States by 9 May 2006. Under the existing European legislation it was compulsory to use seat belts in vehicles below 3.5 tonnes fitted with restraints. This obligation has now been extended to all categories of vehicles. The Directive also requires the use of restraint systems specially adapted for children.</b>

ribeirasacra Nov 19th, 2013 12:03 AM

I would also suggest insurance will be a problem too. Unless you have a driving licence from the same country as the vehicle is registered.

sparkchaser Nov 19th, 2013 12:05 AM

@ribeirasacra: explain.

cathies Nov 19th, 2013 12:26 AM

I am absolutely gobsmacked that you would, apparently happily, let a couple of you bounce around unrestrained. Imagine the catastrophe if you are involved in a head on, or just as bit if it tips over.

Can I suggest that you should be one of those who does without a seat belt? I know my post is harsh, but I'm amazed and angry.

hetismij2 Nov 19th, 2013 01:18 AM

sparkchaser - normally in Europe insurance only covers national driving licences. Our car is insured for any driver possessing a Dutch licence, but is not covered for say a British or German driver. I had to get special permission from our insurers for my DIL, who at the time held a German licence, to drive our car.

British insurance is even stricter, and normally only named drivers are covered.

If this camper is being driven on Canadian licences, but is registered, and insured in a European country then the owner must notify their insurance company, and may have to pay an extra premium to cover it.
Since the vehicle doesn't have sufficient seat belts the question is moot.

sparkchaser Nov 19th, 2013 02:21 AM

That's interesting. I'm glad you mentioned that so I can go talk to my insurance agent. I kinda figured that as long as the car was insured for other drives then if the license was valid then you were good. Thanks. :D

dreaming Nov 19th, 2013 05:45 AM

Perhaps you could look into having the motor home fitted with additional seatbelts.

ribeirasacra Nov 19th, 2013 10:02 AM

sparkchaser always read the small print. Besides if this camper is UK registered and insured that there is a good chance the insurance period in mainland Europe is limited on cover and/or time.
Dreaming extra seatbelts cannot be fitted if there are no anchorage points to take the loads.

sarasota Nov 20th, 2013 06:05 AM

Wow. Harsh is right. I regret asking. Of course I want my kids seatbelted in. Sheesh.

thursdaysd Nov 20th, 2013 06:12 AM

If you want your kids belted in, why on earth are you asking if you can legally drive a motorhome that doesn't have enough belts for all your kids?

hetismij2 Nov 20th, 2013 07:17 AM

Maybe Sarasota was planning to be unbelted.

mjdh1957 Nov 20th, 2013 07:30 AM

Only four belts and four small children - who would be driving?

dreaming Nov 20th, 2013 08:44 AM

Rib- do you already know that there aren't anchorage points? I don't know one way or the other, but have read that it is possible to retrofit older vehicles with belts, which was why I suggested she look into it. I still think its worth looking into, if it's not possible than Sara is back where she started, it if it possible then she has a solution. But I would defer to someone with a greater knowledge of seatbelts and/or motor homes.


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