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nytraveler Jun 15th, 2005 05:21 AM

Asked one of the female client execs I met in France and was told to call every woman of obviously marriageable age "madame" - otherwise you are implying they could not find a husband.

Mademoiselle is reserved for college students or younger.

DonTopaz Jun 15th, 2005 05:30 AM

Chère Florence: my amies parisiennes have confided that "femme d'un age certain" suggests a woman who is indeed older than "femme d'un certain age," though I also get the sense that the expression is more colloquial than standard. It seems to apply to a woman who looks/dresses/acts as if she's no longer in her 50s, or maybe 60s, but it's still a bit mysterious to this man. (No doubt as it should be.)

AnthonyGA Jun 15th, 2005 05:47 AM

Preferences vary with age. The older generation seems to consider Mademoiselle pejorative because it implies that a woman couldn't find a husband. But many of the younger generation aren't looking for husbands, and find Mademoiselle a compliment because it implies that they are still young.

As for pronunciation, it's "mahd-mwah-zehl." The 'd' is pronounced, contrary to what you might have read or heard.

ahotpoet Jun 15th, 2005 06:05 AM

Knock knock
Who's there?
Madame
Madame who?
Madame foot's caught in the door!

Florence Jun 15th, 2005 07:15 AM

Cher Rizzuto,

Your amies parisiennes are right in a way, but have forgotten to tell you that "femme d'un âge certain" is an euphemism (and not a very gentle one in general) for "old woman", especially one who would like to hide her actual age ;-)

elaine Jun 15th, 2005 05:42 PM

rather than 'old woman' I prefer to think, 'mature'


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