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dina4 Apr 23rd, 2010 06:54 PM

ITALY: Where to travel next?
 
We love Italy.
We end up trying to work it into every European vacation.
We love the food, the culture, the history, the art.

The problem is we tend to go to the same places we love over and over again.

Here's where we have been.. (and loved it all)
North - MILAN, LAKE COMO
Tuscany - FLORENCE, PIENZA, MONTALCINO, SAN GIMiGIANO, CHIANTI area
South - POSITANO
Islands - CAPRI, SARDINIA

Here's what we'd like to try:
Ravenna
Puglia
Umbria
Sicily
Cinque Terre

Those who have been to many of these places, please give me some suggestions or reasons as to where you would recommend we travel next, on or off this list! We obviously can't do it all on one trip, so vote for your favorite!

(or have we already hit the best places??)

Our travel time is late June/early July, and do we do love beaches!

Thanks so much!
dina

joannyc Apr 23rd, 2010 07:17 PM

Assisi was my one of my favorite towns in Italy. The view of the town as you approach is really an OMG moment! You need to find a place to pull over, appreciate the view, and take a photo (or many!).

Once you get into town, stroll the back lanes... tiny lanes and flower-laden beautiful stone houses. Go up to the fortresses and to the Church of St. Claire (founder of the Poor Claire nuns). And, of course, the Basilica of St. Francis... both the upper and lower churches are so amazingly gorgeous! And, I hear that on certain day(s), there is a sung rosary. I'm not the most practicing Catholic around by far, but I did truly appreciate seeing this basilica and that in the lower town.

The sunset views are picture perfect. The best gnocchi w/ gorgonzolla sauce that I had throughout Italy was in Assisi at Medio Evo.

If you go, make sure to stop at the basilica of Santa Maria de Angeles (sp?) in the town below. This basilica was built over the still standing chapel of St. Francis... a truly 'do not miss'!

I really, really loved Assisi! So glad that I put it on my itinerary... wished I had stayed 2 nights instead of only 1.

cafegoddess Apr 23rd, 2010 08:33 PM

My husband and I just fell in love with Cinque Terre and Portofino. If you enjoy hiking, I think you will love both places. My husband is ready to go back in September.

Saraho Apr 23rd, 2010 08:45 PM

A vote for Umbria- especially Orvieto and a vote for Southern Tuscany- it was a lovely uncrowded contrast to the more touristed part of Tuscany.

Jean Apr 23rd, 2010 08:50 PM

How many days is your trip?

We've been to Umbria on two longish visits and would go back in a heartbeat, but our trips are in the fall when the weather is very comfortable, so you might want to research temps in late June/early July. Likewise, Puglia and Sicily might be too hot at that time for some people.

Gubbio was our favorite town in Umbria, but my favorite meal was in Todi. We've based in Perugia and Spoleto because we prefer to stay in medium-sized towns. Others choose to stay in small towns like Spello and Bevagna.

Ravenna is definitely worth a visit, and Bologna is only a bit over an hour away.

I'm curious about the lack of interest in Venice... Although it's not my favorite spot in Italy, it's one of those places you just have to see.

jExIcA Apr 23rd, 2010 11:33 PM

Sicily forever! After Tuscany it's my favourite region in Italy.
I suggest you to stay in this apartment http://www.thesmartcactus.com/eng/ap...rgo_navis.html in Palermo, you are very close to the beach and close to a lot of
restaurant where you can try the typical delicious fish dishes of Sicily.
In the link there is a complete description of the apartment and the surrounding area, try to have a look, bye!

Nadia Apr 24th, 2010 03:08 AM

Wow, from you choices it is even hard for me to vote. My vote is Sicily for someting different and since you like beaches. If you decide with Umbria try to pair it with Marche for the sea and beach that you crave. I have to also give you the Italian touist board link because I love their videos of each region, in addition for info of what is happening. http://www.italiantourism.com/videoregioniindice.html

TDudette Apr 24th, 2010 03:24 AM

Perugia and surrounding area before anything else.

Si to all the others as well. DH and I haven't been to Puglia and it is on our list.

valtor Apr 24th, 2010 03:39 AM

Italy is so beautiful! I think that you can travel any where, stop each 10 km and find something nice / interesting to see / visit.

Some suggestions:

- Bergamo, Mantova, Lago Maggiore, Verona, Laggo di Garda
- Bologna, Ravenna
- Rome
- Sicily

ekscrunchy Apr 24th, 2010 04:35 AM

Dina I will be following this thread because I am also looking for the "next" Italian destination.
(For me, the finalists are Puglia and Sardinia and I think I have settled on Puglia for this next trip--the beaches there certainly get good write-ups and look great in pics). Let's hear more suggestions!



If you choose Liguria, you could considering staying in a town outside that area and do daytrips by train. Which brings up the question: Will you have a car?

mamcalice Apr 24th, 2010 04:57 AM

We've visited all of the places you listed. Sicily is our favorite. It has wonderful cultural destinations, beautiful scenery, fabulous people, and food that is simply out of this world. The history is fascinating. Although it is an island, the beaches are far from the main attraction. We found everything about Sicily to be more fun, more colorful, more intense and more interesting than anyplace we have visited in Italy - and we, like you, return to Italy again and again. We visited Cinque Terre on the same trip and enjoyed it thoroughly. Three days was enough time. We were 10 days in Sicily and could have stayed twice as long.

zeppole Apr 24th, 2010 05:34 AM

If you are willing to keep moving with a car, you can combine Puglia, Sicily and Liguria in a single trip (there is an overnight car ferry connecting Sicily and Liguria, but you might enjoy more simply visiting Sicily, which is a fascination at every turn, but including a few days on the Aeolian islands for your beach time. I would be sure to include the baroque towns of Ragusa, Noto and Modica for food and culture.

Otherwise, Umbria is so rich in art and history destinations, it is a very rewarding place to go for people to whom that is a very important part of Italian travel. It's not my very favorite food, but it has several great wines and Italy's best chocolate. No beaches, but a trip up to the Piano Grande can satisfy an urge for vast beauty, and Lago Trasimeno has historical significance, not just water!

bobthenavigator Apr 24th, 2010 05:39 AM

I always think about my next trip to Italy based on the climate. We are about to depart for our 16th trip, this time to Naples and the AC. As much as I love Sicily, it is too hot that time of year. I would stay north this trip. Here is an idea:
Land Milan---get car--to Piemonte base location--4 nites
Drive to Ligurian coast--stay in Levanto or Portovenere--4
Drive to Lago Maggiore[Stresa]--last 4 nites--see Lago Orta
Depart Milan

If you had more time then include a CH destination--perhaps Luzern.

tarquin Apr 24th, 2010 06:14 AM

Venice doesn't appear on either of your lists. I think it's the most spectacular place in Europe, and you could combine it easily by rail with another area like Bologna-Modena-Ravenna-Parma-Mantua-Ferrara.

zeppole Apr 24th, 2010 06:40 AM

I agree that it wouldn't make sense to go to Sicily in summer unless it was mainly a car-based vacation, with outdoor walking in the mornings only, with afternoons indoors, or by the pool or in the air-conditioned car. As for northern Italy, apart from the Ligurian coast where I live, I find the north too humid in summer, unless it is in the highest mountains. But not the wine growing regions, lakes or lagoons.

Umbria would also be hot, and somewhat muggy (it being the "green" heart of Italy). I would pick a hilltown like Montefalco to try to catch a breeze.

Italy is HOT all over in summer except in the mountainous fringes of Switzlerand and sometimes the Ligurian coast. I prefer to the dry heat to the humid heat, and for some people without heat tolerance or without a car, Siclly and Puglia would be too hot.

zeppole Apr 24th, 2010 06:41 AM

PS: I would find Ravenna and most of Emila-Romagna intolerably humid, especially if I was carrying luggage without a car.

zeppole Apr 24th, 2010 06:42 AM

Sorry for my typo! Emilia-Romagna.

markrosy Apr 24th, 2010 08:19 AM

Dina - I know I have come across your posts previously (ferries and all). In short we seem to have followed each other around Italy and in my opinion the answer to your Op is - yes you have seen the best for your terms.

I would add maybe Portofino and Monte Argentario but be careful when planning the area south of Naples. It is not Tuscany. We spent a week on Siciliy in October and quite simply had a shocker on the east coast. The beaches are pretty poor compared to Sardinia but there are small exceptions like Vendicari. Siracusa is a beautiful small city and clearly has a culture which differs to the rest of the island. However, many parts show a clear disregard to laws over the past 150 years. Many of the old sites are in tack but much of the recent development is uncontrolled and dire.

In short, Sardinia wins again, Cala Di Volpe this time

(IMO)

ekscrunchy Apr 24th, 2010 09:46 AM

Here is another idea, in line with what Markrosy wrote above: Why not combine Umbria with the Tuscan or Ligurian coast?

I have been to Sicily twice and both trips were wonderful (despite having been robbed at knifepoint in my Palermo hotel on the more recent trip) but I do have to agree with Markrosy about the hideous development on long stretches of coastline.

dina4 Apr 24th, 2010 10:48 AM

Wow, i've barely been gone and all these great responses!

To respond to a few, we know it will be hot and we will have a car.
And don't know why I left Rome and Venice off my have-been-to-places list. (We've been to Rome 5 times!)

Sicily sounds very interesting -- but i was thinking of the eastern coast.
I'm curious as to why some people think it's their favorite region in Italy?
Please share if you feel this way!
(Ekscrunchy -- your knife-point robbery is a little scary. I've never ever felt unsafe in Italy!)

Umbria is also very appealing.
Is it as lovely as Tuscany?
What areas of Le Marche do you recommend?

Puglia is still a mystery.

Markrosy -- are you staying at the incredible resort in Cala di Volpe?
Wouldn't mind going back, but it was a bit of pain to get there, and our car rental there was SO expensive last time compared to mainland Italy.

Thanks everyone!
I really appreciate all the suggestions. Keep them coming, please!!

dina

I'm intrigued by the Umbria, Tuscan coast idea, and maybe adding Ravenna and CT.

ekscrunchy Apr 24th, 2010 11:18 AM

Dina: Look at Pietrasanta and that area, too.

I had never felt unsafe in Italy either and I did not feel unsafe in Palermo. Until that happened. Even after that, I realized that it was a real fluke experience and happened on a Sunday which was also May 1 so the city was pretty shut up and few people were about. But in the hotel lobby, for goodness sakes. Anyway, that is way off topic. I would LOVE to hear more about Le Marche, too, so am along for the duration of this thread!

As for Puglia, it sounds as if it has a good combination of scenery, pretty towns with interesting and varied architecture, a great variety of delicious foods, many good hotels at all price ranges (good values compared with some other regions) and beaches, too.

The parts of Umbria that I've seen are beautiful but maybe a bit less manicured and wilder than the southern Tuscan areas you mention. Parma also fits well with the Ligurian coast, by the way. Lucca, too.

charnees Apr 24th, 2010 11:26 AM

Remember, the further south you go, the hotter the weather will be.

I love Orvieto in Umbria, and from there you can go around Lago di Bolsano where there are lovely open grassy fields where sheep are grazing, and a pecorino factory or two where you can buy wonderful cheese. Also near the lake is Civita di Bagnoregio, the tiny ancient town on a disintegrating hill that is slowly falling into the canyons around it. It's like a dream or storybook sight. There's a nice restaurant at the end of the road where the causeway goes across from the modern town to the old one. You are also close to the west coast, and could go on west from Orvieto to the beach towns there.

dina4 Apr 24th, 2010 11:34 AM

Escrunchy, have you stayed in Pietrasanta? I just googled it and liked the location near the Tuscan coast. I've never heard of it before.

One thing we especially love is a hotel INSIDE a charming town, where you can walk to dinner and shopping, that also has a pool. Any suggestions?
We love staying in Montalcino at the Del Capitano, which fits that bill perfectly. But want to try somewhere new, of course. :)

Also would love to hear about some beaches on the eastern coast. Rimini, for some reason, doesn't sound appealing. (too miami beach??) we're not that into big crowds.

thanks again

dina4 Apr 24th, 2010 11:35 AM

Found this on Pietrasanta:
#4 on Europe's most Idyllic places to live...
4. Pietrasanta, Italy
Population: 24,600

"This very sophisticated, yet low-key town has world-class art galleries and a big arts community," according to Amber Medkiff, travel director of agency Travcoa. "It has great shopping, markets and excellent Ligurian food--pesto and focaccia to die for. Pietrasanta is very close to Forte Dei Marmi, "the Hamptons of Italy," and also is near Florence, Genoa and Lucca.

dina4 Apr 24th, 2010 11:40 AM

Lucca was #2, by the way.

here's the link, if you're interested in the article...

http://tinyurl.com/26xwhjk

ekscrunchy Apr 24th, 2010 12:25 PM

Thanks so much, Dina! I've not been there but the town and the coastline near there, in general, are on my rather long list of places for the future. But I could not find a hotel with pool in the town of Pietrasanta. On the beach nearby:

http://www.hotelversiliapalace.com/

http://www.villatiziana.com/_eng/hotel.htm


http://www.albergovenezia.com/

Maybe someone can recommend a great hotel on the Tuscan/south Ligurian coast with pool and near, or in, a charming town.




It sounds as if you and I have very similar tastes because those are exactly the qualifications that I seek out. The pool is the more elusive factor. I did stay at two hotels on the Ligurian coast that fit the bill: Cenobio dei Dogi in Camogli and GH Miramare in Santa Margherita Ligure. Of those two, the second is by far the better hotel but I liked Camogli better than SML.

I also like a combination of a few days in a city or large town followed by a few days on the coast, or in a hotel with great pool, if I cannot find all the factors in one spot. So a combo like Lucca and the coast would be good, and also the combo of Lecce with an agriturismo with pool in Puglia. (I hope to make this last pairing work for my next trip, probably in September)

Il Moresco on Ischia also fits the bill. I adored that hotel.

zeppole Apr 24th, 2010 12:39 PM

I'm not sure I'd describe Forte dei Marmi as the Hamptons of Itay. It has largely by colonized by newly-minted Russian gazillionaires, much to the consternation of the native Italians. I have visited some "most livable" destinations in Italy. They are usually pretty tame, almost suburbanized places. The metrics are geared toward how many supermarkets, how much air conditioning, other things. Although it is true that Pietrasanta can boast about being an art colony.

Why is Sicily some people's favorite region of Italy?

It's not my favorite place to live, and it has some outstanding negatives, but it is a GREAT place to visit because outside of Taormina, it's not a homogenized tourist experience. Sicily is uncompromisingly Sicily, with its fantastic history, unique art destinations, incredibly varied food and folkloric culture. It's actually a surprisingly wealthy place, with beautiful b&b accommodations. It's an adventure to bomb around Sicily. Other famous tourist destinations feel more like safari parks and tourist beehives. Sicily is raw.

"I'm intrigued by the Umbria, Tuscan coast idea, and maybe adding Ravenna and CT."

It's almost not doable, and if you are determined to see le Cinque Terre (or better yet, less touristed Liguria), I would drop the Tuscan coast for lack of dramatic scenery and too much downscale holiday resort feel. Even so, as you can see on a map, Ravenna and the Mediterranean are on opposite sides of Italy.

That said, the first thing that ever made me want to visit italy was seeing pictures of the mosaics of Ravenna, and now I live not far le Cinque Terre (which is my favorite above Sicily).

So were I attempting that trip, I would make Liguria my first stop (I prefer towns other than those in le Cinque Terre, which I would do for a day trip), take the long train ride to Ravenna (and I probably couldn't resist a visit to Rimini), next pick up a car in Bologna and get on my way to Umbria.


"Is Umbria as pretty as Tuscany?"

It doesn't have the boutique picturesqueness of the val d'Orcia of postcards, nor the drama of the le Crete. The famous art destinations of Umbria are mostly on the periphery of the central bowl or plain, easy to get around, wonderfully fertile, but not a shutterbug's dream. However, around the periphery, especially in the direction of Gubbio and le Marche, some of the scenery is just gorgeous, if wilder than much of the rest of agricultural Italy. Further south, beyond Spoleto, up the mountain from Norcia, the high plateau of the Piano Grande is, to me, one of the great scenic sights of Italy, right up there with Lago di Como.

Le Marche is an utterly wonderful destination, with both everything you'd want in gorgeous scenery, sweet hilltowns and walled towns, great art cities (especially if you include Perugia in Umbria) AND -- beaches too! Many of the Adriatic beaches are flat as a pancake, jammed with hideous condos and 70s hotels, and a louche pleasure culture straight out of Fellini -- literally, he hailed from Rimini and the airport is named after him -- but some of the seaside is dramatically scenic. All of it will be jammed on June and July weekends.

The Le Marche Voyager website is one of the best in Italian tourism: Check it out:

http://www.le-marche.com/

Another great picture-rich website for every destination in Umbria -- tiny, big, scenic or artistic -- is Bella Umbria:

http://www.bellaumbria.net/home_eng.htm

I doubt if I'm being any help, dina. Every place in Italy intrigues me -- although in summer, I like to avoid humidity and stay as cool as I can. I like the Ligurian sea and mountains. I'd like to see Corsica. I think Lago di Como maybe the single most beautiful spot in Italy, but I'd definitely look for a hidey hole that isn't Bellagio for a base.

Maybe people could help focus your trip if you tell us if you like adventure and car-driving into the unknown, or if you prefer train trainsport and including the most important historic and artistic destinations in Italy.

dina4 Apr 24th, 2010 07:36 PM

thanks for your detailed info!!

i need to take all this in and i'll be back with questions!!

markrosy Apr 25th, 2010 05:31 AM

"Sicily is raw" is a great term and just about parcels the place nicely. It has an edge that you just do not get in Italy or Europe for that matter. There are huge positives and huge negatives, as we are time poor we can't afford huge negatives.

Dina

I think the hotel at C Di V is a little out of our range at £2000 a night. Besides you can be 50 meters from what has to be the best beach in Europe (Cappricicola) by staying at Residence Cappricicola on the headland for E600 a week. It is basic but the location is amazing, being nestled between the Olivetti family villa and that of the owner of Bayern Munich.

How about a split between land and sea. We have done these two :

San Quirico and Monte Argentario : Del Capitano and Hotel Piccola

or

Lucca and Elba.

We absolutely loved Elba which again, being Italy, has its own little micro-culture. It doesn't have the arrogance of Tuscany or the aggression of Sicily. It is very small and gets totally swamped on late July/August. During your planned time frame it should be calmer.

We stayed in a villa literally on the beach in Il Forno with a Sardinian type beach. The ferry over is an hour and is an experience in itself. It is also very cheap compared to Sardinia - Porto Cervo one cappuccino = 9 euros. The bakery on the quayside in Portoferraio (Panelba) = 2 cappuccini and 3 pan au chocs = 5 euros!!!

On the mainland we also love the beaches at Marina di Alberese (famous on the postcards as the dead pines trees contort into the sea. Monte Argentario just forgot to bring itself out of the 1950s (which is no bad thing). I may be bias as I sail and at the time there was a antique wooden yacht regatta. The place was literally straight from the pages of a Dickie Greenleaf's life story! (they filmed Talented Mr Ripley there).

Zeppole

"Forte dei Marmi is not the Hamptons of Itay" I would agree again and just as in case of the Costa Del Sol, I just don't see it as a Fodors desination. We do have standard here you know!

Dina

If it is any consolation, we are going through the same predicament at the moment. Having seen most of Spain, Greece, Italy and Croatia (and quite frankly not liking the French) we are lost. I posted a request a couple of days ago about Huelva in Spain but it sunk like the usual stone on the Europe forum conveyor belt (I love mixed metaphors!). Sorry to be a burden but any ideas? (Europe)

If you do decide Sicily (east coast) all I can say is be very, very, very careful. We looked at renting in places like Lido di Noto/Avola and couldn't decide. In the end we booked into a beautiful mansion hotel (8 bedrooms and beautiful ground called Il Parco. It was like staying in an English National Trust property and great. However, we visited Lido di Noto/Avola and it was simply shocking, totally uncontrolled development, the like of which I have never seen in Europe or much of Africa. A planning officer can never have been there in 50 years or if they did I presume they left with a large brown paper bag stuffed full of cash. Just shocking. As a mentioned previously there are beautiful areas such as Siracusa, Vendicari and Noto. We found Taormina to be a bit shabby and full of coach/cruise parties.

ekscrunchy Apr 25th, 2010 06:19 AM

Mark:

Where did you stay on your visits to the Monte Argentario area?

Have you visited Puglia and if so, what were your impressions?

I have now added Elba to my long list..

Many thanks!

dina4 Apr 25th, 2010 07:24 AM

mark-

Elba sounds wonderful!
Would you mind sharing info about the villa you rented??
or any hotels you like?
(nothing in the CdeV range please) :)

Also,
is this hotel you stayed in monte argentario?
Hotel Torre di Cala Piccola
it looks lovely!

thank you!!

lgny_lcsw Apr 25th, 2010 08:36 AM

hello to you all..

i am thinking about retiring and wanted to leave manhatan and rent a place in the southern part of italy for a year..
i will have a budget of course..so i was thinking of a town thats close to a train..also may be a near by university to take some italian classes..etc
i do hiking a lot and I enjoy the walks on the beach..art galleries..cooking etc..
i am a traveler and now i feel i have the luxury of time which was challenging when i still worked full time..
i read a lot of your thread and it sounds so exciting..i have been to italy a few times and visited the main cities etc..now i am thinking UMBRIA or the like but i am concerned about the rental etc and wander if i could afford it..hmm
any info will be appreciated..

gratsi..lg

ekscrunchy Apr 25th, 2010 08:50 AM

Dina thanks for pointing out that hotel! It does look lovely! I think you need a car to get to the town, though.

markrosy Apr 25th, 2010 10:10 AM

Dina/Ekscrunchy

Yes, it was Torre di Piccola - it was fine. in line with a lot of Italian hotels it could have been a lot better. I have just paid a similar amount to saty at the new Hilton in Manchester, UK and was rewarded with 5 star quality. You always seem to have to knock a star off the official rating in Italy to get a UK/US relative rating. The roosm were in a modern block but the common area was in a lovely old tower. They didn't do evening meals just breakfast but the fish restaurants in Porto Ercole/San Stefano are very good. the area is like Sardinia in that being a Roman bolt hole the prices can be in the clouds. I would definitely go back but there is no sandy beach.

On Elba we stayed here :

http://www.elba-vacanze.net/scheda.p...a=appartamenti

the pictures do it justice, it was the Caribbean without the sharks (although the last European Great White attack was down the road!). There are great cliff walks to 3 lovely beach restaurants and a longer walk into the main town.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/...50a08ffb36.jpg

It is a real shame for us, as Elba is way off limits due to our holiday window now being August only. It is totally and utterly overrun during that month and I can see that the island does fail to cope.

Esk : Pulia - we haven't been and I have to say that after Sicily we will probably only go whilst on one of our sailing trips as a stopover from the Ionian. If we like it we will give it a full 2 weeks.

Just remembered another of our off the beaten track little haunts - Castiglione della Pescaia which isn't spectacular just a great little sleepy place.

ps this nis the best value on Sardinia - billionaire row without the prices. The beach at sunrise is one of the world's great experiences. Mercury water and palatte in the sky.

http://www.residenzacapriccioli.com/

Nadia Apr 25th, 2010 07:48 PM

Well, Sicily isn't my favourite but it is so different and a nice change. I like staying in Catania, but others may find it boring compared to Taorima. I love the nights there(especially during the tango festival where you can bring a bottle of wine and enjoy on the steps by moon and the glow of Etna or be dragged up by a professional to dance in the streets) and spending the afternoon on the beach. Of course you have to see the whole island before settling down to a summer like that and there is so much to tug at your heart, that you'll be moving around eventually making your way to Palermo which is overwhelming (but scary at night and they seem to shut down after 11pm)
Le Marches is just unspoilt beauty with Urbino and Ascoli one of the many highlights. Marche has everything - history, natural beauty, wonderful beaches(some of the cleanest!), mountains, culture and genuine italian hospitality. And it's all reasonably priced. The people there are so friendly and helpful, something so different than Rome or the high tourist areas.
It's someplace you just want to take your time in and visit the villages and let the beauty (both natural and ancient), the art, and history overwhelm you slowly.
When you walk the streets of Urbino you can feel the ancient history and it's renassiance architeture is so well preserved you feel like you've travelled back in time... but not quite. In Ascoli you can spend the whole day in a café in piazza del popolo just watching life, after being overwhelmed by the spectacular duomo, the cathedrals, museums, and palace, and just wandering the old quarter.

ekscrunchy Apr 26th, 2010 05:04 AM

Markrosy: Many thanks for the great information! I agree with you about having to knock off a star in the ratings in Italy. A prime example of this is the "4-star" Cenobio dei Dogi in Camogli. The loveliest setting imaginable and the exterior is gorgeous, but delve inside and see the non-descript rooms (in the least expensive categories, which are the only ones I saw--I had a fairly terrible single facing the parking lot) with the laminated plastics and scratched wood, and experience the often less-than-gracious service, and you get the idea. As long as people realize this ahead of time...... Having said that, I still might return to that hotel since the prices are not in the stratosphere and the I adored Camogli.

The Torre di Piccola looks lovely but I now consider myself forewarned. Can you walk to town from there and if not, is there a bus?


And finally, if I have your attention: What do you think of Mallorca--away from the tacky resort areas? (I am curious because I have an invitation...)

TDudette Apr 26th, 2010 05:11 AM

lgny_lcsw, have you read about Perugia? Several universities there and amazing old center. 3-month Italian class at University for Strangers!

Start a new thread about this and good luck!

barbrn Apr 26th, 2010 05:59 AM

I do not have the experience with Italy many here have...but I have been to the Cinque Terre...along with the other major cities (Venice, Florence, Rome, Siena). We stayed in Vernazza...if you like to hike, like breathtaking views, and actually like to save a little money (we found our hotel charming and cheaper). I'm not sure if I have a favorite Italian destination....but Vernazza and Siena...are both places I literally dream about. The poster who lives by the Cinque Terre (what a fortunate person) can probably tell more about it...that was also a good idea to go to Liguria and day trip into Cinque Terre. But I did notice that the tourists are mainly there during the day....and the evenings are quieter and so gorgeous!!

markrosy Apr 26th, 2010 09:56 AM

Esk. There is a free hotel bus into town from Piccola which is pretty flexible. Notice it doesn't have a website it's just a small family run affair and very friendly. The views and infinity pool are spectacular.

I love Mallorca, it offers everything for everyone at ANY level from McDs for Michelin 3 star. For us the best development over the past few years has been the growth of Finca (farmhouse) hotels. many of the farm owners have been to Tuscany to see the business models there and received local government grants to develop a 4 star level product. Many offer food from their farms and have applied the generally high spec design that you will find in Spain to their rooms.

We have used :

http://www.theothermallorca.com/

As an agent they cover most of the popular Fincas and are professional in their approach. The downside is that, even after the local government has built several very good motorways, in July/August visitor number are simply obscene and the travel infrastructure just fails. June and September are good months to visit as is February when the almond blossom is out in the fields. Temperatures in Feb can average 15 - 18oC although we have had 4oC. April/May is usually warmish but the rain can come down day after day.

We love Pollensa/Porto Petro/Arta/Colonia St Jordi which are all quieter higher middle market. The east/ north east can get silly with the rich and tasteless of Europe descending in droves to flash their (or their banks) cash. The old railway from Palma to Soller is great fun and the scenery on the north coast is simply stunning.

markrosy Apr 26th, 2010 10:03 AM

Dina

I forgot about this place for you in Sardinia - book it! we stayed at the side of it in a villa. It is so high end design that in the flesh it just doesn't look real, it just looked computer generated.

http://www.lacoluccia.eu/luxury_hote...inia-1333.html

I would point out that my wife wouldn't go in as she believed that she was 6 ounces over her correct weight and hadn't got the right pair of sunglasses.


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