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ReadyToGo586 Aug 31st, 2012 08:23 PM

Italian Recipes for Italian Kitchenettes
 
Hey Guys!

26 more days until we leave for Italy!!

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to share some of your favorite recipes that I might be able to whip up while staying in kitchenette-outfitted apartments in Rome, Manarola and Venice...

I LOVE cooking, consider myself of intermediate ability, and have recently been informed by my best-friend/travel partner that she fully expects me to cook for her on this trip :) I am MORE than happy to oblige, however, I do not get to explore authentic Italian cooking very often at home, as my husband is so picky, I pretty much feed him the same dinner that I make my almost 2-year-old. I did, however, make a very successful Pasta Carbonara one night that we almost died for :)

We are very much looking forward to shopping for fresh ingredients in the markets, and as I am a complete novice in that department, I welcome any tips and information you could provide, especially concerning etiquette (such as not touching the food but asking for permission), weights and measures, and in season specialties for late September-October.

Thanks in advance for all the help. I sincerely hope everyone enjoys a wonderful Labor Day weekend!

charnees Aug 31st, 2012 09:16 PM

In a little food store, you don't pick out the produce. You tell them what you want and they give it to you. Sometimes they will give you a carrot, a celery stalk, and some parsley gratis. Those vegs are to be minced and sautéed in oil or butter to make he base for pasta sauces.

Hwever, here is a non-tomato pasta dish we love and have at home all the time. For two people:
1/2 pound sweet Italian sausage (without fennel) In Italy see if they have luganega sausage.
1 large bunch of Swiss chard
4 oz fettuccini
Parmesan cheese

Put pasta water with salt on to boil. Wash the chard and strip the green parts away from the tough white stalks. Shred the greens coarsely. Drain in a colander.
Remove sausage frm casing and break it up in a skillet with a little olive oil. Sauté it slowly until it is cooked through. Add chard to the skillet with the water clinging to it, and cover until chard wilts. Then uncover and cook it slowly while the pasta is cooking. Add a little pasta water or chicken broth to keep it nicely moist. When the pasta is very nearly done, drain it and add to the sausage and chard and toss together, letting it cook for another minute. add more liquid if it is dry, as this should be a moist, but not soupy, pasta, with the noodles having a kind of silky texture.
Serve immediately and top with plenty of freshly grated Parmesan. (Don't use packaged grated cheese. It has little flavor. Be sure you are using Parmigiano Reggiano.

Anyway, this is delicious, takes only 2 burners, and takes only half an hour to prepare.

A_Brit_In_Ischia Sep 1st, 2012 01:28 AM

Rather than setting out with a shopping list....

If you'll have access to the internet, I'm reliably informed that this BBC site is very good when you've bought whatever was best on the day:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/#quick-recipe-finder

Peter

worldinabag Sep 1st, 2012 02:27 AM

Hi

We also rented an apartment in Venice and loved eating "in house". One meal we had was spaghetti with clam (vongole) sauce. Source your vongole from the Rialto fish market (visit in the morning). Prepare your pasta sauce (tomato, onion and garlic) as normal. After rinsing the vongole fry them in olive oil and garlic. When they have opened (discard any that have not opened) extract the meat and transfer to the pasta sauce prior to plating. Serve with crusty bread for "mopping up" the plate, antipasto and a good bottle of Chianti Classico. Salute :)

nochblad Sep 1st, 2012 04:50 AM

A little bit surprised by some of the comments so far.

True Italian cooking is both regional and seasonal. Re Charnees - luganega is not local to the places mentioned by the poster. Re worldinabag - vongole in Venezia okay but a Chianti!

Based on the time of year you should consider mushrooms - porcini (and check the provenance), this season's polenta (consider polenta con baccala' in Venice), game, truffles (there are many different truffles all over Italy), but above all use you eyes and try to understand what is in season and what the locals are buying. The best way of understanding this is going to a local market and trying to locate the (smaller) stalls of local producers (try to see where they are from). I always buy from the local market in Como and I know what I buy is both seasonal and kilometre zero (i.e. it has not been transported the length of Italy or even further!).

mamcalice Sep 1st, 2012 05:02 AM

Go to the outdoor markets wherever you are staying - the Rialto market in Venice is fabulous. Get the local fish or sausage or whatever is being sold by the purveyors. Get plenty of vegetables. I wouldn't be making tomato sauces necessarily unless made from fresh, local tomatoes. Mushrooms should be readily available while you are there.

Eat out often and you will get ideas for things to cook. We always try to replicate things we have eaten in Italy. I have always had the impression (correct or not) that Italian cooks don't use many recipes. And, by all means, drink the wine of the region you are in with whatever you cook.

uhoh_busted Sep 1st, 2012 06:45 AM

What neighborhood are you staying in when in Rome? You may not have access to what you picture in your head, a big fresh market on the street (like Rialto in Venice). Most urban neighborhoods will have grocery stores, however. Casino is the name of one chain. They will have meat, and cheese and deli counters and bakery sections, and it is still fun to shop because it is just different enough to keep it from being familiar. They will have disposable plastic gloves at the fruit and vegetable tables, which you are to wear while you are choosing what you want. Put your item in a bag and weigh it, and there will usually be a sticker that pops out of the scale with the price on it. (It's like this in France, too).

One place you can get some special items would be Campo dei Fiori. There is also a tremendous bakery to one side of the campo that would be a great source (far better than any little grocer) If you can get a good bottle of truffle oil - possibly available from one of the specialty shops vendors, and a nice supply of mushrooms, you can make a very rich sauce simply by sauteing the mushrooms in Truffle oil (if you don't use it, use half (real) butter and olive oil) and adding oh, a glass of wine (6oz to 1 cup) and letting it reduce itself to half. Stir in some freshly chopped parsley or basil or even rosemary as it nears the end. Serve over fresh pasta and grate parmesan over it to your liking. Make a side salad of sliced tomatoes with fresh mozzerela. Drizzle with truffle oil and sprinkle fresh chopped basil over them.

You can also use that truffle oil drizzled over scrambled eggs. or leftover pizza reheated. I think you can get my message :-) Somehow, I've never found truffle oil back home in the states that is nearly as good as what we've bought in Italy.

Meat is expensive in Italy and France, but wine is a bargain. I have found that being able to make a good wine reduction sauce (and really, it just takes practice) lets you make more of less. I've done a white wine and sage concoction for braising chicken legs.

Do you know how to make rissoto? You can do that with wine (and maybe use a can of broth) and throw in just about anything (think veggies, seafood, prosciutto, etc. be careful not to overcook seafood, though) with a good local cheese, add a salad and you have another wonderful meal.

uhoh_busted Sep 1st, 2012 06:50 AM

Like mamcalice noted, many Italian cooks don't use recipes. You kind of have to make a Leap of Faith and go for it. Some of the meals we made "on the fly" last Fall were incredible, just because we used what was in season with wine and fresh herbs.

suze Sep 1st, 2012 06:56 AM

The other thing you'll need to consider before you get to cooking is what is provided in your different apartment 'kitchenettes'. Some may be well stocked with cookware, but sometimes what is provided is quite minimal.

ReadyToGo586 Sep 1st, 2012 07:58 AM

Wow guys! I am so excited by the replies already!!

Charnees: That dish sounds wonderful! I imagine I will have no problem fixing this up with a more "regional" sausage :) I might even be able to sneak this one with stateside food by my husband if he doesnt see the swiss chard go in!

ABrit: Thanks for the link!! I will be checking that out immediately so i can save a few favorites for offline reading on my tablet- I like to go in prepared with at least a vague idea of what I want :)

Worldinabag - I am stealing that one for home :) Unfortunately Venice is our only stay without a kitchen - It'll be market picnic foods there!

Nochblad - do the stalls have signs indicating where they are from? Do you find you purchase more often by quantity or by the kilo?

Thanks Mamacalice, Will do!!

Uhoh - I LOVE wine reductions! Thanks for the tips - I have never tried a reduction with pasta, and can't wait to now! Risotto is a great idea as well - I just might practice at home lol Truffle Oil is officially on my "Wanna Purchase" list :)

ReadyToGo586 Sep 1st, 2012 08:05 AM

Yes Suze, that is definitely a concern of mine!! I will be taking stock as soon as we arrive - but it seems with these suggestions so far, I will be good with a skillet, lid and some cutlery!

Uhoh, I forgot to mention, we are staying in a neighborhood adjacent to Campo dei Fiori, literally a two minute walk. Do you remember the name of that bakery? Is it Il Fornaio? I have never been able to locate Il Fornaio on Google maps and have heard wonderful things about it from the Fodorites. In Florence we will be staying right off the Ponte Vecchio, on the east side of the river. I have not had a chance to research where the markets are located in and around that area

A_Brit_In_Ischia Sep 1st, 2012 09:00 AM

It did take a while for us to get used to that way of "shop first, decide later" - but we've been here on Ischia for a decade now, and rarely set out with a menu in mind.

There's one bakery in a corner of the Campo, the other one that's often written about is Roscioli.

The market there is great fun - probably more expensive than you'd pay elsewhere, but some wonderful produce! These were mostly taken in November, our favourite time to visit the capital...

http://www.pbase.com/isolaverde/fiori_11_11

Note the "etto" on some price tags... stuff that's charged by the 100 grams - one tenth of a kilo!

For instance:

http://www.pbase.com/isolaverde/image/139804872

Look up puntarelle, if you don't know of it already!

Peter

nochblad Sep 1st, 2012 09:03 AM

Italians are very sensitive as to where their food comes from. With regard to fresh meat especially the rules are extraordinarily strict and there is full info as to where the animal was born, reared, slaughtered etc. With fruit and veg you will often see displayed where in Italy it comes from. However, I always try to seek out those who are selling truly local produce. It is generally the freshest and of course it helps the local community.

As to quantities sometimes I ask per weight - for example potatoes in kilos or prosciutto/ham in "etti" (multiples of 100 grams) but for some items such as green beans I usually ask for so many handfuls.

One thing to look out for is olive oil. Generally I buy two types (both extra virgin). One I use for cooking and a better quality for salads, bresaola etc. Do note that a lot of olive oil sold in Italy is actually from Spanish, Greek or other countries olives. Read the label very carefully but for a good quality oil go for those which have the IGP or DOP labelling.

annhig Sep 1st, 2012 09:52 AM

readytogo,

even when you do have a kitchen you may not feel like cooking but still want to eat in - that's when the made-up dishes that some places sell will come in useful. a world away from what you can normally buy in the UK [and I assume the US] add some salad, bread and wine, and you're there.

BTW, Rome is a terrific place for eating out. the last time we stayed there, although we had an apartment we never ate in, not even breakfast. of the three places you are going, ironically venice is the best place to do your own cooking, IMO.

charnees Sep 1st, 2012 06:12 PM

Actually, the sausage and chard dish can be quite varied. You can use any good sausage, of course, and the greens can be varied, too. Spinach, kale, chicory, etc. are fine.

You can also make a very simple sauce for spaghetti using butter, lemon zest and juice, and a little bit of green herbs and/ or garlic. I sometimes add peas to the pasta pot for a few minutes at the end. then stir the pasta and peas into the lemon sauce. Put some grated Parmigiano Reggiano on it. This goes nicely with roasted chicken, which you can get at some stores, or other prepared meats.

suze Sep 1st, 2012 06:50 PM

annhig brings up another good option. you don't need to "cook" everything from scratch. with a kitchen/frig there's lots of picnic style meals you can put together to stay out of restaurants without having to actually make elaborate meals every time.

<I will be good with a skillet, lid and some cutlery!>

but don't you need a large pan to boil pasta?

nochblad Sep 1st, 2012 11:29 PM

charnees - in Italy you do not eat pasta with a main course!

suze - yes as lots of water is required. Also a tip on buying pasta if you are unfamiliar with the names - generally the longer the cooking time the better the quality of the pasta. In other words a spaghetti which takes 8 minutes is better than one which takes 5 minutes, penne which take 11/12 minutes are better than 7/8 minutes etc

aguamineral Sep 1st, 2012 11:29 PM

I agree with nochblad's comments and sort of cringe when I read pasta recipes being portrayed as "authentic" that call for things like combining butter and lemons in a pasta sauce, or even combine meat and pasta in the same dish. Or putting peas in pasta in October. However delicious these recipes, and however easy it is to get peas (or use frozen) in America or England, this is not the way Italians cook.

If you don't speak Italian, you can use your hands to indicate how much you want of something. You will also get the right amount if you say how many people will be eating, which can be especially useful when buying fresh pasta. ("Per due persone.") If you buy fresh pasta, ask how long to boil it. The word for boil is "bollire" (bowl-ear-ay), and if you ask "quanti minuti bollire?", you'll be understood.

I'd also like to suggest that even though you made a delicious pasta alla carbonara at home, sample it in Rome. Some old-fashioned places often "finish" the pasta tableside, and different Roman restaurants will use different pasta shapes (some use rigatoni or bucatini, some penne and others use spaghetti).

One great way to learn how to cook like a Roman (or any Italian) is to go to simple family run restaurants and study the food. Pay close attention to what you are eating. You will find there is a minimum of ingredients on your plate at any given moment, and that meat and pasta and veg are served separately, not piled on your plate all at once. It is much easier to pick out the background flavors that way and them imitate it at home.

Many Italian kitchens resemble kitchenettes. Even in restaurants, sometimes the kitchen is incredibly small. Part of the secret of producing all that great food in such small space starts at the market, buying beautiful fresh ingredients and then not "hiding" them in elaborate recipes, but instead letting them shine on their own, individually.

aguamineral Sep 1st, 2012 11:48 PM

I have to agree with all of nochblad's comments as well as though from people advising you that an authentic Italian meal starts at the market, not with a recipe you take to the market.

Also, it actually very rare to see meat and pasta in the same dish in Italy. You see it in restaurants that cater to American tourists quite a lot, but it is not common in Italy.

If you would really like to learn how italian make all that great food in small kitchens (even restaurant kitchens are small), go to small family run eateries in Italy and really pay attention to the food you get. You will see that you will be served your vegetables and your meats separately, and that you pasta will feature one outstanding ingredient, with background flavors.

In you will be in Rome at the end of this month, the markets should have great artichokes, fennel, mushrooms, truffles and grapes. In le Cinque Terre, you'll also find good artichokes, chard (known as "bietole", pronounced "bee-YET-olay"), pears, walnuts (pounded with milk and bread to make pasta sauce), and mussels (cozze) and baby octopus (moscardini) are not to be missed. In Venice, be on the lookout for bitter red leafy "greens" like treviso and radicchio and also lookout for pumpkins, potatoes, apples and other typical autumn foods.

If you bring fresh produce home, don't be afraid to cook it very, very simply. Boil chard and dress it with olive oil and lemon. Serve artichokes plain, with salt and oil. Grill treviso. Or chop radicchio and toss it in at the last moment into hot pasta or gnocchi. Don't hide the flavors of this great stuff. Don't pile meat, greens, cheese, legumes into one big pasta dish. You won't taste anything but fat.

aguamineral Sep 1st, 2012 11:51 PM

Sorry for the double post! Something happened to my first post and it disappeared, so I re-wrote it. I didn't mean to sound like I was piling on.

nochblad Sep 2nd, 2012 01:12 AM

aguamineral - I agree with all your comments!

Originally from Scotland I have gone native in Italy. So much so that I hardly ever use butter except when I have ravioli with a spinach and ricotta filling - i.e. pouring over a little burnt butter and sage before serving. I use prodigious quantities of olive oil though. As for butter I buy the smallest size possible (125 grams) and generally end up throwing away at least half of it after sitting in my fridge for a couple of months!

annhig Sep 2nd, 2012 04:28 AM

As for butter I buy the smallest size possible (125 grams) and generally end up throwing away at least half of it after sitting in my fridge for a couple of months!>>

why don't you freeze some if it, nochblad? it freezes very well.

ref the eating seasonally advice, you don't need to be in Italy or to be italian to do that, though I know that both or either will help!

Vttraveler Sep 2nd, 2012 05:36 AM

Another interesting bakery to visit that should be close to your apartment in Rome is the Antico Forno del Ghetto, Via Portico d'Ottavia. The Jewish Ghetto also has many good restaurants

suze Sep 2nd, 2012 07:08 AM

I defintely agree that starting at the market for fresh ingredients is the way to cook locally (anywhere not just in Italy) rather than going in with recipes and trying to duplicate them there. And that simple preparations rule. And that Italian cooking is more than pasta.

Since you already know how to cook it won't be difficult.

ReadyToGo586 Sep 2nd, 2012 09:16 AM

You guys are awesome - Thanks for all these tips! I cant believe I blanked on the large pot for pasta - how silly of me (I think these highlights are really starting to get to my brain :) )

When my family leaves town this afternoon, I will be able to sit and really read everything you guys posted... Thank you so much A_Brit_In_Ischia for providing the link to your pictures! That was so thoughtful!

Thanks Again Everyone!! I'll be back later for a real response :)

aguamineral Sep 2nd, 2012 09:50 AM

There is no point in eating seasonally or locally anywhere if you are going to cover up the fresh flavor with frozen butter!

One time in October in Italy, I was in a restaurant that offered a fresh mushroom salad as a special. When I ordered it, what arrived was a pile of fresh porcini mushrooms that had been sliced paper thin, with a few thin shavings of parmigiano reggiano on top. No lettuce, no tomatoes, no carrots. Niente! It was a true mushroom "salad." Salt, a pepper mill and a bottle of olive oil was placed on my table to dress it, and that was it. I cannot describe how delicious it was. It would have been horrible if it had been gussied up with truffle oil extenders or had the porcini even touched a wad of butter. (Butter is an incredibly strong flavor that blankets other flavors).

By the way, you can cook pasta in a frying pan.

http://www.chow.com/food-news/94799/...-a-frying-pan/

annhig Sep 2nd, 2012 10:03 AM

There is no point in eating seasonally or locally anywhere if you are going to cover up the fresh flavor with frozen butter! >>

who suggested that, agua? not me. and not anyone else here either, so far as i can see,

BTW, I was NOT suggesting that anyone cover up flavour with frozen butter, merely that it's a good way of storing it.

ReadyToGo586 Sep 2nd, 2012 11:04 AM

Ugh I just realized I mistyped in my original post! Kitchenettes in Rome, Manarola, and FLORENCE - I accidentally wrote Venice, where the place we booked is actually a small B&B. Whoops!

roamer Sep 2nd, 2012 01:09 PM

We've been travelling in Italy and France for many years and always staying in lodging where I can cook. Some kitchens are well equipped; some are minimal - but you can make do! I've finally learned to bring my own knife and sharpener as I think a sharp knife is essential. I agree with the above re the open markets, fresh produce, and just go look and make up your mind what to cook when you see what is available. Eggs taste like real eggs; chicken is so much better than I can get at home; there are real butchers who will help you with any cut you ask for perfect for the number you want to serve. Excellent advice and recipes come from Franco - he has made our times in Venice culinary delights! Enter Franco in the Search the Forums box, then scroll down to Franco's favourites...Venetian food and restaurants. His restaurant suggestions are great, and there are many descriptions of food as well as recipes. Some are specific to Venice, but can be adapted. Bon Appetit!

annhig Sep 2nd, 2012 01:36 PM

Ready - don't worry about it - i think that we got the picture.

SB_Travlr Sep 2nd, 2012 02:52 PM

To make the sausage and chard dish into supper without pasta, I do a version with red peppers and cannelini(sp?)beans -- it's filling, economical, and quick. Probably completely inauthentic, but yummy anyway!

Sarvowinner Sep 2nd, 2012 03:25 PM

We run a cooking school in Lucca twice a year, and it is totally based on what is at the market. One week in July last year, our guests chose rabbit and artichokes, the following week there was not an artichoke to be seen.
Don't ignore the insalata and antipasto. In a little restaurant in Orvieto, wee had the most amazing finely shredded zucchini, drained and served just with parmesan and a little balsamic. To die for. Similar to Aguamineral's experience with the porcini.
Campo di Fiori has fantastic produce already trimmed for the pot. Does anyone know the name of the tiny pale green flowerettes that look like a cross between cauliflower and broccoli? And the tomatoes are to die for. Serve them with a little basil and bufala mozzarella, or simply toss with garlic, basil in olive oil and throw over pasta. Also the veal scallopine is very quick and easy to cook in a frypan. Takes a couple of minutes. You can just use olive oil and lemon, or be a bit more adventurous and do a saltimbocca. Enjoy - the shopping will be just as much fun as the cooking. I find "ette" the easiest way of buying salumi and formaggi.

uhoh_busted Sep 2nd, 2012 06:30 PM

Personally, I'd never boil chard. Steam it in a tablespoon or so of balsamic or wine with some finely chopped garlic. Makes a wonderful lunch with some crusty bread. Don't know if that's Italian, but is sure is delicious.

aguamineral Sep 2nd, 2012 08:33 PM

>>Does anyone know the name of the tiny pale green flowerettes that look like a cross between cauliflower and broccoli? <<

it is Romanesco broccoli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesco_broccoli

>>Personally, I'd never boil chard<<

Italians, probably for historic sanitary reasons, cook many of their greens in boiling water, and for a very long time, until they break down completely. It is a modern fashion not to do this, and while it has caught on in some parts of Europe, it really hasn't caught on in Italy.

Boiled chard "sure is delicious" too. Here is a recipe from Lidia Bastianich that pairs it with potatoes.

http://lidiasitaly.com/recipes/detail/611

Sarvowinner Sep 3rd, 2012 08:39 AM

Yes, crunchy veggies are not a common dish in Italy, unless they are totally uncooked in a salad. However, they are generally delicious. It is quite disconcerting however to order a meat dish served with warm boiled chickpeas (ceci) - no sauce or flavouring at all.

uhoh_busted Sep 3rd, 2012 10:17 AM

Ha! I guess we were lucky to hit restaurants with chefs that cook to suit modern tastes :-). We had lots of wonderfully grilled veggies as sides in Rome.

Another reason to savor cooking to your own tastes when you are travelling. But my MIL's generation of Southern cooks certainly did like to boil their veggies until they were truly dead. I must admit some greens benefit from cooking until they are well-broken down.

caroline_edinburgh Sep 3rd, 2012 10:35 AM

Fruit & veg, seafood and meat are priced by the kilo but it's OK to ask for a certain number, e.g. 6 oranges or 12 scampi. Don't *ever* handle fruit & veg on market stalls or in small shops. If you are buying it in a supermarket, use one of the gloves provided and don't touch the produce with your bare hand.

Since we now have (OK, DH now has :-) )the problem of cooking in a tiny Venice kitchen full-time, it's become natural to cook & eat more simply, Italian-style, and let the quality of the main ingredient shine through. I suggest you spend some time before you go, looking through an authentic staple Italian cookbook like 'The Silver Spoon' and noting typical ways of preparing ingredients you like and which will be in season.

Holiday apartments we've rented in the past have been adequately equipped for a week or two, although if you are that keen a cook you may want to consider bringing a favourite knife with you (assuming you are not travelling carry-on only!) - the knives are never very good.

ReadyToGo586 Sep 3rd, 2012 08:38 PM

Roamer and Caroline - I think I will be packing my knife in my checked bag! It had not even crossed my mind to do so before reading your responses, but as I am pretty attached with my cutlery, that is a wonderful idea!

I have the feeling I am about to completely change the way I cook... I have never prepared food so simply and delicately as I am reading here. I cannot wait for our first restaurant meals to sample these methods and try to replicate them later!! :)

caroline_edinburgh Sep 9th, 2012 01:20 AM

I've just noticed the comune website has lists of what's in season each month with a handful of suggested recipes - http://www.comune.venezia.it/flex/cm...a/44518#c71cc3

annhig Sep 9th, 2012 03:10 AM

hi caroline - thanks for the link. I love the dialect versions of the food - some are easier to work out than others!

I'll have to have a closer look at those recipes when I've got time to sit down with a dictionary.


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