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drchris Jul 25th, 2013 07:50 PM

How would I handle identity theft while traveling?
 
We have just had someone manage to get and try to use our debit card and two credit cards to make large purchases withing a few minutes of each other even though the cards were not missing. Fortunately the companies involved did not approve the purchases and we were able to get new account numbers and cards. As I'm in the midst of planning a tip to Italy, I wondered how we would have managed this had we been traveling abroad. We usually consider two different credit cards and a debit card to be enough to take when we travel. If we happen to be in a big city, I imagine that we could go to an American Express office to get a new card. Other than having money wired to us by family, I couldn't think of another way to get money to continue the trip. We used to take traveler's checks but they are not welcomed in many places and we have been charged large fees for using them, so we no longer take them. We would welcome suggestions as to how to handle this situation should it occur.

BigAleinstein Jul 25th, 2013 07:55 PM

Make copies of your credit cards both sides and make sure you have the international nunber so you can call, if there isa proble,.

I assume the credit card companies have issued new cards with different numbers. When you are ready to leave the country notify them when and where you will be and also to put a warning on purchase above a certain amount.

Other than that, ID theft is just one of many things that can happen at home or abroad.

greg Jul 25th, 2013 08:25 PM

This would be a major headache if you are left with no money instrument since you need the uncompromised physical cards to do many transactions including getting cash.
First, I minimize exposure of credit cards at home, only one CC and only one debit card is used for daily uses.
For trips, I take 4 different credit cards from 4 different banks, 3 cards not usually exposed at home. I also take 3 debit cards from 3 different banks. Again, 2 cards are used only at home bank ATMs and not for shopping. I had this happened to me with CC usually use for everyday use and therefore most exposed. The card I had with me instantly turned into a piece of worthless plastic. Some of my friends who had never had CC compromised only take one CC and one debit card. After all, they are experienced travelers and they have traveled this way for many years....
For payments that can be made with Paypal and Paypal is not linked to the compromised card, you can pay it that way. Although I have never done it, if your hotel takes pity on you, it may take your Paypal payment and give you cash minus fee. Just a thought...

Tony2phones Jul 25th, 2013 11:48 PM

Report the crime to the local Law enforcement. Have a backup card that is seldom used and carried separately even if there is only a few hundred €/£/$ on there.

Amex is Not widely accepted in Ireland and I had had problems in the UK. Visa and Mastercard are accepted worldwide.

adrienne Jul 26th, 2013 12:58 AM

<< I imagine that we could go to an American Express office to get a new card >>

You could only do this if that particular office embosses credit cards which its doubtful they do. Card embossing is normally done at an office facility.

I think it's unusual to have a debit card and 2 credit cards compromised simultaneously. This leads me to believe it's someone you know since it's not likely that you used all 3 cards at the same time for someone to obtain the numbers while you were using them.

I wouldn't worry - it's probably not going to happen again so soon after the last incident, especially with brand new cards and new card numbers.

I take 3 credit cards and one debit card when traveling in Europe but normally use the credit card that I save for travel since there's only a 1% foreign transaction fee on that card.

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2013 01:32 AM

Carry two cards (not Amex) and take tel numbers with you.

Do not let your card disappear from site at any time. With modern technology in Europe all transactions should occur in front of you, the old double swipe, double print etc scams are no longer working as you should watch what happens.

Also, some cards are now contact-less, for this you need a Faraday cage in your wallet. Select a slot where your card will go and find a flap behind and in front where you can insert some aluminium sheet (sorry aluminum for my US friends) one sheet on each side should do. If you want to test it try using the wallet to pay at a contact-less point.

Finally, do not access you principle email address on an unsecured link anywhere (starbucks to that nice house next door), if the the link is unsecure to you it is also unsecure to a thief. They can piggy back into your computer and see you accessing your email. Once they have the access code to your email they should be able to unlock most of your bank details.

xyz123 Jul 26th, 2013 02:40 AM

A couple of points. It is important to distinguish between identity theft and credit card fraud. They are not the same thing. Did you use the credit cards that were compromised recently? Or maybe somebody went through your garbage and found copies of old statements? Lots of ways credit card numbers become compromised and there's little you can do about that. And luckily, credit card fraud is relatively easy to deal with and while under US law (assuming you're from the US) limits your liability to $50, few banks if any make any effort to even collect the $50.

In general, the banks, at least any decent sized bank wants you to have a card (all the better to make purchases with). Call the number (that you should have a copy of although you can go through international directory assistance) and usually they will make arrangements to express ship a replacement card to any address you give. In the interim, it's a good idea to take several cards with you just in case.

Now identity theft. That's a horse of a different color.

aliced Jul 26th, 2013 04:12 AM

For those who may not recognize the term contact-less card, presume you mean the relatively new 'chip' cards, which we were told by friends just back from Scandinavia, was preferred and requested by most vendors. These are substantially heavier than other credit cards, but can be 'read' if not protected in your wallet. "Faraday cage" as suggested by bilboburglar above is this-- aluminum works, but we purchased an RFID blocking wallet (readily available in any travel venue), in which we keep our cards. So, be sure to include one or two chip cards, and keep them protected. Also, limit your ATM withdrawals by bringing cash with you, and by using ATMs in banks while open, lest they be swallowed up leaving you with having to revisit the bank the next morning to (hopefully) retrieve it. We use the chip card for all our travel/dining for double points.

bilboburgler Jul 26th, 2013 04:18 AM

The contactless card is standard weight (well mine are) and has a symbol of a series of partial curves radiating out to the left on it, a bit like >>>> but curved and growing bigger.

As aliced says.

Gretchen Jul 26th, 2013 04:20 AM

Your cards would have been denied, and then you can get new cards overnighted to you.
We had our cards stolen on the first day of a trip to France. I called our companies, and especially with the time change (earlier in the US) could get the process started on the same day as the theft.
We had one card the next day and another the following--obviously sent from a base within Europe, as I recall.

Ackislander Jul 26th, 2013 04:29 AM

Plain ATM card without debit functions are less risky than debit cards.

chartley Jul 26th, 2013 05:55 AM

Some people are confusing contactless cards with chip & pin.

Contactless cards are a near field device. You just bring the card close to the payment machine. You do not insert the card, key in a pin, or sign a payment slip. The amount that can be paid using a contactless card is limited. The London Transport Oyster card is also a contactless card, and there can be problems if you keep the cards together and hold them together against the sensor. There are trials taking place in the use of contactless bank cards instead of Oyster cards when paying for transport. Only one of my cards can be used contactlessly. It can also be used as chip & pin card, and is embossed so you can make an impression of it if necessary. Some car hire places still take an impression as a type of deposit.

Chip & Pin cards are widespread in Europe and many other countries. With these cards, you authorise payment by entering a pin in the card reader, rather than by entering a signature. The system is more secure than traditional signature systems, since any payment has to be authorised by both the card holder and the card issuer before it goes through. All my cards are chip & pin, and have been for many years.

socialworker Jul 26th, 2013 06:03 AM

We opened a *second* debit account at a different bank before we went to Europe the last time as insurance. We had enough money in the account to cover things in case of any kind of "worst case scenario". It gave me a lot of peace of mind. (We had had 2 CCs compromised in a short period of time before our trip, which is what made me think of opening a new debit account.)

hetismij2 Jul 26th, 2013 07:10 AM

European chip and pin cards are not near field devices.

There are a few available from certain banks in Europe, but they tend to be only able to be used for small amounts. Normal chip and pin cards are extremely safe, and would be even safer if the magnetic strip, needed for travel to the US, was removed.

Since Dutch banks have turned off use of cards outside Europe card fraud has dropped dramatically. Skimming still occurs here, due to the magnetic strip still be present, but it is increasingly rare.

Your cards are more likely to compromised due to use in the US than in Europe. Make sure you have two cards of each type, preferably not linked to the same account, though normally if on card is compromised the others on that account are still good.

LuvToRoam Jul 26th, 2013 08:51 AM

One of our credit cards was compromised the first night we were in Rome last year. We travel with a computer so were notified immediately (since I was regularily checking email) and a swift call to the credit card company verified that one charge was good (our dinner) and the other two weren't. They canceled the card and we had to use one of the spares we bring along.

We always notify the credit card companies and our bank before we travel. The bus tickets we get to go from our town to O'Hare for some reason are routed through the UK and every year that we have pre-booked we get a call to verify this is a proper charge.

It is a pain but when you get home a new card is there waiting for you (unless you opt to have one overnighted immediately). Just be sure that anything you may automatically renew on the canceled card is update with the new number.

Have a super trip!!

Christina Jul 26th, 2013 09:18 AM

I can see it would be a hassle, that's for sure. I have had this happen numerous times now (probably at least 5), and no one ever had my physical card, either. It was all online. However, I have never had it done to two of my cards at the same time virtually!

I am single and even I travel with more cards than you have. I travel with 3 credit cards (one of each, a Visa, Mastercard and Amex) and two debit cards (two different bank accts, one my main checking and the other a separate money market acct). So I would think between the 2 of you, you might think of taking more than just 2 credit cards, for one thing. It's only happened to me twice, but I've had it happen that some vendor (stores) would not accept a Visa due to network problems, but would accept a MC. Another time, the store couldn't accept a Visa or MC but could accept Amex as it was a different network. These were just computer issues, but I think it can't hurt to have 3 different types.

Christina Jul 26th, 2013 09:19 AM

oh, and then when I travel, I always leave at least one of those cards in my hotel room safe, I don't carry them all on me.

Patty Jul 26th, 2013 09:25 AM

Amex Global Assist will wire money to you in an emergency. They can also arrange for a hotel to charge your account without having a physical card present.

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Michael Jul 26th, 2013 12:09 PM

<i>The system is more secure than traditional signature systems, since any payment has to be authorised by both the card holder and the card issuer before it goes through. </i>

If you mean that the pin number is a more effective measure of authorization than the signature, how does a car rental company put a potential hold on your card for future charges (road taxes, potential repair costs, inquiries from enforcement agencies, etc.)?

drchris Jul 26th, 2013 05:15 PM

Thanks to all of you for so many ideas and suggestions. I hate to open more accounts just for this purpose but it does make sense. At home I try to use one card for almost everything to accumulate frequent flyer miles, and only use the other card when the first one isn't accepted by the vendor.

Although I know that hotels, etc. abroad usually don't take traveler's checks any longer, I wonder if it might be wise to take some along just in case since they are such a safe way to carry money (assuming one keeps the slip with the check numbers separate from the checks and keeps track of which ones have been used). Do most banks still cash them?

Gretchen Jul 26th, 2013 05:48 PM

Have two cards. You carry one DH carries the other. Have an ATM card.
don't carry the same card (redundant for above).
When ours were stolen it was within the first hours of the trip, and we just hadn't "done" it.

DebitNM Jul 26th, 2013 06:33 PM

Do most banks still cash them? NO - they are basically worthless.

chartley Jul 26th, 2013 11:50 PM

In answer to Chris's question, I presume that this is why some still take an impression of the card the old fashioned way, while others just record all your details. Any later transaction can be treated as a "cardholder not present" one, just like transactions made online or by phone. These usually involve the card processing company charging a higher commission to reflect the greater risk, and in some cases they do this with American "swipe" cards, for the same reason.

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 01:39 AM

Lots of good suggestions, but let me add a few precautions I take. Use the debit card for ATM withdrawals only whenever possible, making small purchases in cash and the larger ones with credit cards. When you make an ATM withdrawal, try to use one inside a bank if you can. If you use an ATM on the street, check for anything that looks unusual, as sometimes crooks plant skimming devices or "Lebanese loops" on the machines (these are hard to spot).

Shield the keypad when entering your PIN in a machine, and don't accept help from a "friendly" stranger.

Check the balance of your accounts on the internet frequently, but be aware that public computers in hotels and internet cafes aren't always secure — I use my iPad when travelling. If you do notice something amiss, notify your bank immediately. They usually have toll free numbers for that purpose.

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 01:46 AM

I might add, despite being very careful, last year £500 was taken from my account without my knowledge. I live alone and no one else has access to my cards. I still don't know how it happened, but the bank immediately reimbursed me pending investigation, and later determined the transaction was fraudulent.

Christina Jul 27th, 2013 03:19 AM

I actually still have travelers checks that I take with me as backup, although haven't had to use them. I think I'll depositi them in my bank acct.

Banks have NEVER been the best place to cash those. And I have used them in the past and never once used them to pay a bill directly. You use them like cash to exchange at exchange bureaux, that's what you do with them. That is what they are in business for and in every place I've been, they gave better rates than banks, anyway, even when banks did that in the past. Which wasn't even that common ever.

It depends where you are going. A lot of people on Fodors say it is difficult to cash them in Italy. I haven't been there so don't know. I know it is still pretty easy to find exchange places in Paris, for example, that will take them. I was in Poland once and it was not easy to cash them there, either. It is easy to cash them in Mexico.

I guess my bottom line is if you can get them totally free (I can), it can't hurt to take them, but I wouldn't pay for them. And definitely take them in USD so you can easily deposit them back in your bank acct or something when home if you don't use them. If you are mainly going to small towns, it probably won't be useful at all.

xyz123 Jul 27th, 2013 03:47 AM

One of the suggestions I read here seems to me to be silly. One person said as a precaution he or she only uses a credit card for lage purchases while making small purchases with cash. I say...excuse my French...nonsense. Where possible I use a credit card for every purchase rather large or small. Does it increase my chances of having my credit card compromised? I suppose so but...as I've tried to explain while it is not something I welcome and I would prefer it not to happen, I've had my credit card number compromised two or three times in the past ten years or so. Nothing I can do about it.

Does that mean I'm going to change the way I travel? Well I do try not to let the credit card out of my sight and I've given some restaurants especially a hard time when the waiter tries to take the credit card to some back room. One of the advantages of chip and pin cards is that in most cases in Europe, they now bring the wireless pos terminals right to your table. Many restaurants now hand me the terminal to enter, if I so desire, the tip. In most places now in Europe, I have several chip and signature cards, the terminal is right there in front of my face and again I never hand over the credit card.

Is there anybody who can guarantee credit cards will not be compromised? No but as long as it is not identity theft, which credit card fraud is completely different from, it can eaily be corrected, the fraudulent charges removed and it simply becomes necessary to use a different card. For that reson, I bring two or three.

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 05:25 AM

<i>"Does it increase my chances of having my credit card compromised? I suppose so..."</i>

Exactly! Every time you use your card there is a small risk of it being compromised. Therefore limiting your exposure to compromise makes perfect sense to me. You only have to read about cases of crooks hacking into company data bases, as happened with TJ Maxx (TK Maxx in the UK) a few years ago to know that it can happen no matter how careful you are with your cards. I have friends who had money taken from their accounts after shopping at TK Maxx, and it had nothing to do with how they handled their cards.

The £500 that was taken from my account was from a debit card issued by a US bank. I only use it in ATM machines and in places I trust where I can swipe the card in a machine myself (mainly the commissary and BX on US bases). I never let it out of my sight for even a second, yet was still a victim of card fraud. Yes, credit card fraud can be corrected, but who needs that hassle when you are travelling?

Call me old fashioned, but the idea of using a credit card for purchases of only a few dollars seems ridiculous. ;-)

xyz123 Jul 27th, 2013 05:39 AM

I will admit I do have a welf imposed minimum for using a credit card. I will never use a credit card for less than €1 or £1 or $1...once an amount passes that and the vendor acceptrs credit cards, I wouldn't think twice about not using it as I am paying for that anyway (accepting credit cards is a cost of business and hence is reflected in the price of all items whether you pay cash or uswe a card).

Also when travelling it is a pain in the you know what to keep having to use an ATM (which also increases the chance of having whatever acocount I use for cash withdrawals raided). I see nothing wrong with using a credit card for everything no matter how large or small (except as noted above).

Of course, some of it depends on the country and the country's reaacton to cards. For the most part, for example, the UK is like the USA and credit cards are taken almost everywhere for almost everything with the possible exception of a pint at the bar or outdoor vendors (even that is changing here at home in the USA what with square setting up a credit card account with a small discount, less than 3% and no swipe thing is very very easy...I take credit cards for my accounting business and use square.com which I set up within 10 mnutes and it works perfectly!). I spend a couple of weeks a year away from home whether in the USA or mostly in the UK although I do venture into other countries and when I travel, I rarely spend cash for anything. Cash is a royal pain in the butt. Don't have to worry if I have enough or have to run off to the ATM.

While I wouldn't call anybody old fashioned as everybody has to deal with their own way of dong things, to me this is the only way to travel in the 21st century or for that MATTER LIVE AS I DON'T THINK IN THE PAST MONTH, I've SPENT CASH FOR ANYTHING NOW THAT THE TAKE OUT PLACE NEXT DOOR TAKES SQUARE!

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 06:07 AM

Well, I would never dream of using a credit card for a purchase of €1, £1, or $1, but please don't say that is being silly. You may have an opinion, but that doesn't mean someone else who disagrees is wrong — they just have a different way of doing things. If you run out of cash in your wallet you still have the option of using a card, so you don't have to worry about running off to an ATM.

What does bother me, though, is that when someone makes a suggestion on Fodor's, another poster jumps in and calls it silly, nonsense, or worse. That lowers the tone of Fodor's, and puts many people off using the board. ;-)

xyz123 Jul 27th, 2013 06:18 AM

Apologize...I think I said you're entitled to your view point. I did say it's silly in my opinion and if you were offended, I'm sorry! Best.

Coquelicot Jul 27th, 2013 06:18 AM

It depends partly on where you are going.

In smaller towns you may need to pay in cash. We need cash for B&Bs and small rural stores, so we have gotten used to paying cash for everything. We have two separate accounts dedicated to ATM usage, and each of us has a card for each other's account as well as our own.

xyz123 Jul 27th, 2013 06:21 AM

Just out of curiosity and not to be argumentive but in the interests of a dialogue, what is your objection to using credit cards for small purchases (other than increasing the possibility of having the cc compromised?_. To me, it is the only way of travelling in the 21st century but I'm willing to live and learn!

Best

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 06:49 AM

Okay, I don't want an argument either.

Why would I use a credit card when I can just take a dollar bill out of my wallet? I don't have to enter a PIN or sign a receipt. That seems easier to me. When the day comes that no one wants to use cash (maybe the 22nd century?), the US Treasury will stop printing $20 notes. In the meantime, their reluctance to stop minting pennies and printing $1 bills suggests there is still a demand for them.

Many of the places I travel, especially in small family-run establishments, the owners prefer cash, as they don't like paying fees to a cc company. BTW, I strongly advise you never to travel to Rwanda! When I was there about 10 years ago, there were no ATM machines, and only a few international hotels accepted credit cards. It was necessary to carry all my funds in crisp, new $50 and $100 notes, and exchange them for Rwandese francs on the street. No doubt things have changed a bit since then, but I guess you wouldn't like that cash-only economy very much. ;-)

chartley Jul 27th, 2013 07:08 AM

I manage a chip & pin card reader for a small charity. We pay 3p ($0.045) pin authorisation fee for each card transaction, plus 30p ($0.45) on each credit card transaction and 2% of the value of each credit card transaction. Large retail traders will almost certainly pay lower fees than these, but some small traders may pay about the same. In addition, there is the monthly rental for the card reader.

If I pay for an item costing £2 ($3.00) with a debit card, then the cost of handling the transaction would be 33p ($0.50) or about 17% of the retail price. This could easily represent 50% of the margin on the item, and could even wipe out the net profit after allowing for overheads.

For that reason, I seldom use a card for an amount under £5 ($7.50), and carry cash for such purposes. Cash is invariably needed for payments between individuals and also for things like buying programmes, ice creams, etc.

socialworker Jul 27th, 2013 07:24 AM

I too try to use cash when buying at any small and/or family-run type of business when abroad *and* at home. I know about the fees that are charged and it is my (small) way of trying to use my "dollar votes" to help lower costs for everyone.

rialtogrl Jul 27th, 2013 07:38 AM

xyz123, it is not easy to be in small business these days so I try to pay for small purchases with cash just to give the business owner a break. If it is a chain or large business, the fees are not too much of a biggie but for the small business owner they are substantial. I'd rather give the entire amount to the owner rather than a cut to a bank.

My credit card was compromised last summer in France - I rarely use it in Europe but I used it often in the UK and Ireland for several weeks before heading to France. My instincts could be wrong but they do tell me the card number was stolen sometime when I was in Ireland. So yeah, I think the more often you use your card the higher chance of it being compromised (could happen anywhere.)

I can tell you that telling the credit card company where you are traveling may not stop fraudulent purchases (I told them I was in France, so how could I be in a Walmart in Canada?) but it did help when I was resolving the matter (Uh, I called you guys to tell you where I was...)

Do bring more than one credit card in case something happens, and try to make sure they are the kind with no transaction fees. Those fees can add up.

Heimdall Jul 27th, 2013 07:45 AM

I guess it's mostly a matter of where we (and the vendor) set our limits for pulling out the plastic. I have been in several small shops in the UK where there is a sign saying something to the effect "No credit cards accepted for purchases under £5". Chartley explains very well why this is. Personally, my limit for using plastic is: nothing under about $20 or £20. When I'm travelling in Greece I pay for nearly everything in cash because that's the way the people I deal with prefer it.

Xyz123, don't worry, I wasn't offended by what you wrote — anyone posting on Fodor's needs to be thick-skinned. ;-) It just seems that recently there have been more than the usual number of arguments on the board, much of them provoked by one new member. I have always tried to be helpful with my replies, but am beginning to wonder if it is worth continuing.

hetismij2 Jul 27th, 2013 08:03 AM

You would struggle to pay for things with a credit card in most Dutch shops. They just don't take them, and if they do they often charge a surcharge. People here either use their debit card, or pay cash. Hotels and restaurants normally accept them, but not always, and small cafés probably don't, at least away from Amsterdam.
Cashing travellers cheques at a bank here would be tricky too - banks here don't actually carry cash, except that in the ATMs.


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