How should I learn (very basic!) Italian?
 

I'm going to Italy (Rome, Venice, probably Lake Como and Milan) in May, and though I have no illusions of becoming fluent in Italian between now and then, I'd like to learn enough to get around and not be completely dependent on the Italians' knowledge of English. I don't want to pay Rosetta Stone $250 for the privilege, though. Any podcasts, particular CDs, etc that you'd recommend?

I do have a Spanish minor, though I'm extremely rusty, so thanks to the magic of Romance languages I think I could pick it up pretty well. Or at least, well enough!

Here's one possibility:

http://freelanguage.org/learn/bbc

Here is another :)

http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...-on-fodors.cfm

WOW those are fast responses. Thanks to both of you! I had no idea the BBC web site had that, StCirq, and Dayenu, now that you post that I remember you posting that a few months ago! I'm looking for a little beyond "buon giorno" and "gelato" (but not too much beyond!).

You are looking beyond GELATO???? WHY???? :))

Haha. Because a girl's got to know how to tell the waiters what kind of cheese and pasta she wants? ;)

I took Italian in college, but I used a Barron's book to teach myself some basic German (actual grammar and sentence structure, not just please and thank you)for a trip. Here is a link to the equivalent book in Italian, Learn Italiano the Fast and Fun Way.

http://www.amazon.com/Italian-Italia.../dp/0764102109

I forgot to add that it is a user-friendly book, more so than typical "dry" grammar books you see at the bookstore.

Thanks, Delaine! I'll give that a look as well.

Do you have a community college available to you? I have found I learn a LOT more by participating in a class than I am able to on my own with books or CDs. Look for one that is aimed at "Italian for Travelers" (not Italian 101).

Think about the situations in which you will most be in need of knowing some Italian, and drill yourself on those:


Asking and UNDERSTANDING and following directions

Understanding prices (including understanding numbers when spoken to you)

Buying train and bus or other tickets (what kind, how many, for where)

Asking and understanding when places will be open and when they will be closed

How to make a reservation for a restaurant

The meaning of the words "in ritardo"

Thank you, please, excuse me, may I? I don't understand, again please? I'm sorry I don't speak Italian,

Please help me find (a doctor, the police, etc). The word for "emergency"

And anything else you can think of.

I think no matter how much Italian you learn, you should pack a menu translator.

I forgot to add: Do you accept credit cards?

And learn the meaning of the word "firma"

I stick to more basics than proposed above. Because even if I could manage to ASK directions, I'd never understand the answer.

The things that are most practical & helpful to me are:

Learn to say fluently in Italian "I'm sorry I don't speak Italian" and "Do you speak English?"

Greetings and polite phrases like: hello, good morning, good evening, please, thank you, excuse me, I'm sorry I don't understand (I use that one a lot!)

numbers - for time, money, etc.

And ability to read food/menu/restaurant words

zeppole you are absolutely correct when you said UNDERSTANDING and following directions!

The first time I went to Italy I learned some VERY basic Italian and I was so proud of myself for asking the waiter "Dove il bagno" and he answered me...... in Italian. I had no idea what he said. I knew it was something about a left and a right but I forgot which one was which! I was so embarassed so I just turned around and walked away and thankfully found the bathroom on my own!

I bought an Italian cd for my next trip about six months ago. It's still sitting in the box unopened and my trip is in six weeks! I don't think that is the best way to learn Italian.

suze, the community college is a good idea, but unfortunately ours seems to only offer French and Spanish. Though I'm not sure I could commit to a scheduled class right now regardless! So a book/CD/podcast would be ideal.

Your basics list is about what I was thinking, though I do definitely see the value in numbers, tickets, emergencies, etc. and will learn some of those as well. "Firma" I've got already, zeppole - it's the same in Spanish. :) I'm assuming I'd hear "in ritardo" in relationship to a late train?

sandicran, that's exactly how I feel about getting directions - I can ask "Dove?" but the likelihood of me understanding the answer beyond "left" or "right" is slim to none. :)

I'm not giving answers!

And sandicran's post reminds me:

Learn how to ask where is the toilet. And learn how to ask for a napkin, a fork, a knife, another glass. It also helps to learn how to say you would like to split an antipasto, or a pasta or a dessert.

jent,

We were posting at the same time.

I highly encourage you to master the basic terms of directions, when it comes to left, right, straight -- and about how far, either in meters, kilometers or minutes.

Italians will make every effort to be simple, and use their hands to be clear. Learn how to engage, ask them to repeat the directions. But it is a very basic need as a traveler to ask "Where is-- (the toilet, the museum, the train station") and have some grasp of the answer.

If there are no adult ed "fun" classes in Italian you can see if there is a Meet Up group in your area or start one on your own. You can also watch lots of Italian movies and see what you pick up. I studied Spanish for 5 years, French for 4 and Italian for 1 and then forgot it all. Then broke out the textbook before going to Italy and did OK between that and using what I remembered from romance languages.

zeppole, I know YOU are not giving answers. What I mean is that maybe I can manage to ask a simple question, but I won't be able to understand what the other person is telling me in reply.

I have some "work arounds"... like rather than asking for directions in Italian and trying to understand a spoken answer... I'd have a street map with me, and be able to show the person where I was trying to get to, or even get them to show ME where I am right now if I am lost!

My interpretation was that zeppole was telling me she wasn't giving me a freebie on "in ritardo." ;)

Directional words are on the list, no worries! And hamlet, Italian movies are a fun idea! I have a couple of friends who I'm sure would be happy to help me practice (a very good friend who spent two and a half years in Italy, and her Italian boyfriend!) so I should have ample opportunity to practice, likely while providing them some entertainment in the beginning. :)

suze, we were posting at the same time - the street map is a good call! I'm sure I'll have one with me anyway. I LOVE maps.

I haven't read all the responses. But...

Check your local library. I found out that my library offered free online language courses as long as I had a library card!

I also bought a "Rosetta Stone" knockoff at Costco for $27.99 called "Instant Immersion". Like it a lot! Couldn't go wrong for that price. And they do compare themselves to Rosetta Stone.

Buon viaggio!!!

Many libraries also have language cd's you can check out. Also check such places as Half-Price Books if there is one in your area.

You can download some free Italian lessons on your Ipod from Itunes.

Actually keeping a street map with me is one of my best tricks I've picked up traveling. I like the freebie paper ones you get in hotel lobbies (not laminated), then I write on them as I go along. For example I see a shop or restaurant that looks interesting, I write it on the map, so I can find my way back. Even marking your own hotel is helpful to keep yourself oriented.

hi jent,

I started off wanting to learn Italian for exactly the same reason as you - i wanted to be able to do more than point and say "grazie".

By chance I came across the "Michel Thomas" beginner's Italian course, and I've never looked back. His method differs from most in that he teaches you the language, NOT phrases, so that from the very beginning, you understand what you are saying and why you are saying it.

if you have done spanish, you will find Italian a breeze - the vocab is very similar as is a lot of the grammar. I know this because I've done the Michel Thomas Spanish too [it's addictive].

you can get the course on cassette or CD and there are a lot on E-bay. you should be able to get the beginner's italian quite easily. make sure you get the one with the 8 CDs/cassettes, not just two, which is the introduction only. Once I'd done the beginner's course i found that i could cope easily with the GCSE course I enroled in, and I went on to do "AS" level with a little help from the advanced course.

I listen to mine in the car, which works for me.

good luck!

suze,

My response about "giving answers" was to jent, saying I wasn't going to teach her Italian online.

Street maps are fine, but in many situations you need directions to things not on the map -- the ticket office in the train station, the bus stop, the machine to buy your ticket so you can park legally on the street.

There are many situations in Italy where not knowing "basic" italian will either get you very flustered (like how much money you should give the fruit seller for your peach) or you will end up with something you didn't want (like the wrong train ticket, or a pound of proscuitto when all you wanted was a few ounces).

The language tapes that endlessly review how to greet a friend or say "how beautiful!" when looking at a campanille really aren't as useful as mastering the vocabulary for practical transactions. You say you want to get beyond "gelato" -- but do you know how to ask for a cup instead of cone? If you are confused about whether two flavors cost more than three, do you know how to ask for an explanation? If the gelati are labeled pompelo or cannella in the case, do you know what flavors those are? When you are told the price for 2 cones, can you recognize it?

This page from Slow Travel has vocabulary for a number of practical situations that may be of interest:

http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/language/index.asp

And this page gives some additional vocabulary for gelato: http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/caffes/gelato.htm (I agree with zeppole and others that an extended gelato vocabulary is key!)

zeppole~ OK I understand now.

And I'm not disagreeing with you in principle, I'm just saying my Italian will never be good enough to accomplish those tasks you describe.

I really like LiveMocha. It is free online and teaches with many approaches and pairs you with a native speaker to correct your oral and written work.
Also, a good phrasebook is a huge help

in ritardo means late, as in il treno é in ritardo (the train is late).

pompelo - grapefruit

canella - cinnamon

A lot of stuff can be figured out on the spot intuitively, even if your Italian is limited. A gelato vendor will almost always have a sign that shows the words for cup and cone, often with pictures, so it's obvious even if you don't speak the language.

I think the hardest thing for a learner of any new language is numbers, especially in Italy, where it's a LOT easier than back in the mille nove cento quaranta due lire days, but it's still daunting to hear cento trent'otto....

So learn basic greetings, basic directions, numbers to the extent that you can, and other practical stuff. It's not a difficult language, at least at the beginner level.

Wow - thanks, everyone, for the additional suggestions! I will absolutely look into what my library might offer - I did think about that, but never that they might offer free online courses - and annhig, Michel Thomas sounds great. Right now my biggest concern is that I'll subconsciously revert to saying "hola" and asking for "dos" of something instead of "due"; I'm not sure that would go over well. :) So these will be very helpful.

And no worries; I'm not asking for free Italian lessons on Fodor's (though thank you, StCirq, for those translations!).

When my husband was first learning German we found a book that had stickers which you remove from the book and stick on all the basic vocabulary items in your house (i.e. salt, pepper, wastepaper basket, etc). It was quite good fun. I don't know if they still have those courses available, but it's worth having a look.

Lavandula

Take a look at My Daily Phrase Italian which is available as a free download at the iTunes Store. It consists of 100 five-minute lessons that teach you vocabulary for travelers. Since it's free it is a good place to start and see what you think.

Stickers would be fantastic. I'm picturing people coming over to my house over the next six months and looking at me like I was insane for having all these stickers on everything. I love it.

ellenem, thanks for the tip! You're right - never hurts to check out free things, and the description sounds good at least!

I like the Michel Thomas audios. Really helpful to learn German and he teaches Italian also.

The cds are set up to teach verbs and sentence structure right off the bat and you can add nouns later. Go to your library and get whatever they have and find the one that works best for you. The main thing is practice, practice, practice.

I also found the Italian, Spanish, German in 10 minutes a day helpful. They have flash cards and stickers, plus all the basic words and nouns.

I second the podcasts on iTunes. They are all FREE and really well done. I've used the Coffee Break, My Daily Phrase, Survival Phrases and One Minute podcasts in various languages. You really can't go wrong with any of them. It's good to hear the language spoken as well as practice it yourself. I'm listening to Coffee Break French now in anticipation of my trip next month.

I've had my 'Spanish in 10 Minutes a Day' stickers up around the house for years. My friends are used to it -lol!

Thanks, y'all! I'll check out the podcasts for sure. Hopefully my library has the Michel Thomas CDs, but if not I'll look for them on Amazon or something. Exciting!