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CailinDeas Sep 3rd, 2008 12:13 PM

How DO you pronounce this village name??
 
Hi there,

Having difficulty working out how to pronounce the village to which we are going in Languedoc.. it's called Pailhes. I have a half decent command of french and normally can have a good stab at the pronunciation, but this one has me flummoxed. There is an accent on the e.. can't seem to get it to display here. ANy help would be appreciated as I fear we may get lost and not be able to ask for directions!!!
Thanks so much.
Cailin

stfc Sep 3rd, 2008 12:21 PM

My guess - pile-ezz.

PatrickLondon Sep 3rd, 2008 12:40 PM

It's è, so a short flat eh (as in set), as stfc says.

The first vowel might be the same sort of sound, or as in "pile"; as the second vowel's accented, the "s" is sounded, but might be "z". But you may find local people saying it their own way, whatever outsiders might do.

Pvoyageuse Sep 3rd, 2008 12:47 PM

pie-ess

flanneruk Sep 3rd, 2008 09:45 PM

Here's a small bet.

1. The most common local pronunciation will actually be "pie" (as in 'apple pie'). The grave accent on the 'e' in this case doesn't mean you pronounce it.

2. Since that breaks standard French rules, as taught nationally, lots of French people will pronounce it differently. And the considerable range of local accents in Southern France means even people from elsewhere in the region will have variations.

3. So, although there'll be hardliners in the town who'll swear there's just One True Pronunciation (and doubtless other who'll swear the same about a quite different one), everyone locally will understand a range of attempts from Pie-less, through Pie-ezz, to Pie-ess and (I bet this is what most French non-Paillards say), to Pie-lez.

4. By getting it wrong (as you inevitably will), you'll merely demonstrate you're not from Pailhès. Which they know anyway, since they've all known each other from birth.

If at all worried, just keep a piece of paper with the name written on it. Because Sod's Law says the person you stop by to ask the way will be the one person in the village who pronounces it differently anyway.

kerouac Sep 4th, 2008 01:06 AM

Any French out-of-towner asking for directions would say "pie-ess". And that is probably what the locals call it, too, but you'll only find out by going there.

CailinDeas Sep 4th, 2008 01:47 AM

Right, well that has cleared things up nicely for me!!!!! :-)Thanks everyone. I'll try "Pie" and if I am met with blank looks, I'll quickly add in a "lez"!!
In any case, I will be there in 2 days time( hurray!!) and so I shall revert and let you all know what I learn.

flanneruk Sep 4th, 2008 02:10 AM

"I'll try "Pie" and if I am met with blank looks, I'll quickly add in a "lez"!!"

Don't trust me on this. I'd bet reasonable cash the Paillards call it pie. But Kerouac and pvoyageuse are right to point out that most French people would say pie-ess. Swiftly adding an 'ess' rather than a 'less' will mark you as an out of towner, but one with a sensitivity for French.

bilboburgler Sep 4th, 2008 03:43 AM

Probably either in Language of Oc (a local patois) after which the area is named or in Catalan. Don't think its French

CailinDeas Sep 4th, 2008 05:31 AM

Sorry Flanneruk, was confused. I actually meant to say that I would add an ess and not a lez.
So that's it decided then. I am going with Pie.......... ess ( the dots indicating a blank look). Can't wait to find out now!! Back in just over a week and will let you know or sooner if I get the opportunity to log on. As ever, thanks everyone. I don't know what I would do without you fodorites!

Askar Sep 13th, 2008 03:15 PM

<b>Pailh&egrave;s</b>:

oc. gascon : palha
fran&ccedil;ais : paille
Se prononce presque comme le fran&ccedil;ais &quot;paille&quot;.

d&eacute;riv&eacute;s :
palh&egrave;ir (forme nord-gasconne ; prononcer &quot;paill&egrave;&yuml;&quot;) ou palh&egrave;r (prononcer &quot;paill&egrave;&quot;) : meule de paille


http://www.gasconha.com/index.php?in...mp;tipdoc=noms

ira Sep 14th, 2008 05:59 AM

Hi CD,

Also try
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php

((I))

flanneruk Sep 14th, 2008 06:50 AM

Ira:

CD's been there and got back.

Also promised to let us out of our misery by now

CailinDeas Sep 18th, 2008 02:47 AM

Thanks all..
It was &quot;Pie ess&quot;!!! The place where we stayed had a guest information book and one of the first items of information was the phoenetic prononciation of the village. Apologies for late reply. Came back from hols to some craziness and didn;t have a chance to log on. Incidentally, had a wonderful time. So there you have it. thanks again for all your help..
Cailin

kappa Sep 18th, 2008 04:26 AM

La-Tour-de-Peilz

Guess how Peilz is pronounced.

kerouac Sep 18th, 2008 04:28 AM

My guess would pez or pay.

kappa Sep 18th, 2008 04:33 AM

Niether.

kerouac Sep 18th, 2008 04:41 AM

Or pel.

That one is open to a lot more possibilities than pie-ess.

kappa Sep 18th, 2008 04:46 AM

Sorry, not that either. Very simple.

kappa Sep 18th, 2008 04:58 AM

Okay not many more choices after the answers from Kerouac. The right answer is Peh (or like &quot;Paix&quot; in French).

http://www.la-tour-de-peilz.ch/Cultu...u_histoire.asp


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