Helpful Information: Italy
 

Hi all,

I'm sure we have all noted that many FAQ's keep coming up. I thought it might be helpful to provide the following. Please feel free to add your own or correct mine.

Should I buy a railpass?
See www.railpass.com

Should I buy train tickets in the US or in Italy?
Italy. Cheaper. Unless you need a particular train immediately on arrival. Try www.euraide.com

How do I get from FCO into Rome?
Take the shuttle train to Rome TE. Runs every 1/2 hr. Takes 1/2 hr 9E

How do I get from Rome TE to my hotel?
Map of Rome subway system is at
http://www.metropla.net/eu/rom/roma.htm

How do I get from Rome to The Amalfi Coast?
Train from Rome to Naples and Circumvesuviana to Sorrento. SITA Bus to your town.
Schedules at www.trenitalia.com, http://www.vesuviana.it/orario_ol/orari.asp
http://www.sita-on-line.it/

OR

Train from Rome to Salerno and take the bus to Amalfi or the Traghetto to Amalfi.

Where do I find train schedules?
www.trenitalia.com

Where do I find bus schedules?
SITA Bus at http://www.sita-on-line.it/
Lazzi Bus at htt://www.lazzi.it

Is there a map of the Rome Metro system?
http://www.metropla.net/eu/rom/roma.htm

Is there a map of the Florence bus system?
http://www.ataf.net/Default_EN.asp

How do I use the Venice Vaporetto system?
http://www.actv.it/eng/home.php

What should I wear in (enter city)?
Cover your shoulders and knees in houses of worship. Otherwise, wear whatever you would wear to visit NY, SF, DC.

Excellent idea, ira

I'll add:
How can I purchase Italian train tickets in the USA--I'm arriving and immediately need to take a train, concerned about getting a seat, etc:
call 1 800 CIT TOURS

What are some tour guide agencies in Rome?
www.througheternity.co
www.scalareale.org
www.enjoyrome.com

sorry, that was througheternity.com

ttt

Great idea Ira. We had done a similar scenario about 3 years ago, but the new comers will be able to use this. Here are some more that may help:

Q. What are the best web sites for Italy
A. www.initaly.com www.slowtrav.com
www.itwg.com www.knowital.com
www.venere.it[hotels] www.twenj.net

That is a good start !

Q. Tell me what to do in Venice?
A. Here is a single page fact sheet:
NAVIGATING IN VENICE
BEFORE YOU ARRIVE: Good web sites are www.veniceforvisitors.com & www.veniceinfo.com

ARRIVAL IN VENICE: What a treat when you first view Venice from either entry point. For airport arrivals, you have 2 choices. The ALILAGUNA bus/boat service will cost about 12E pp and take 1:10 to the vaporetto stop at San Marco. From there, you can connect to the stop for your hotel. The private speed boat service is expensive?about 80E?but it can hold up to 6 people with luggage if you can share the cost. It is much nicer and takes about :40 to your destination of choice. For train arrivals, you step out of the station onto the Grand Canal and also have 2 options. The vaporetto is a crowded city bus, but only costs about 4E. However, if you plan to stay for 3 days or more, go ahead and buy the 3 day pass for about 20E pp. It will save you if you plan to use them for primary transport. The private sleek speed boats are like taxis, but will cost you about 50E, depending on your destination.

TOUR GUIDES IN VENICE: We suggest www.walksinsidevenice.it for personalized and theme walking tours. However, www.venicewalksandtours.com has many varied tours both in Venice and day trips to surrounding areas and are well priced.

DO NOT MISS: Venice can be experienced in 3,5,or 7 day scenarios. If you only have 3 days, here is what I would see first. You can see all of Venice by walking & using vaporettos
? San Marco square?the Basilica & Campanile [ascend the Campanile for great vistas]
? The Doge?s Palace & Correr Museum [ combo ticket includes both]
? The Bridge of Sighs [ the Palace tour will allow you to see from the inside]
? Rialto Bridge and market [ a good early morning walk]
? The Frari Church & Scuola San Rocco [some of the best art in Venice]
? The Ca? Rezzonico Museum [ see how 18th century Venice lived]
? Galleria del Accademia & Accademia Bridge [ fabulous Renaissance art]
? The Palaces on the Grand Canal [ it takes 3 roundtrips to see it well]
? Isle of San Giorgio Maggiore [ take #82 to see Palladio church?ascend Campanile]
? Explore lagoon by vaporetto to see Burano & Murano [ takes a half day?plan well]

WHERE TO EAT: Food in Venice gets mixed reviews?I hope you like seafood. Here are a few places that we found to be good and not too expensive.

? Pizzeria Foscarini [ at foot of Accademia bridge?great location for lunch]
? Vino Vino [ filled with locals for lunch?near Kette Hotel and La Fenice Opera House]
? Osteria de Carla [ a small family place with good food near San Marco & Frezzeria]
? Taverna San Trovaso [ on Rio of same name near Accademia Bridge?reasonable]
? Ristorante da Raffaele [ great al fresco dining on canal near Santa Maria del Giglio.

WHERE TO HANG: That is tough?all of Venice is a good place to hang and people watch.
However, here are several of the neighborhood campos that we liked:
? Campo Santo Stefano, Campo Santa Margherita, Campo Santa Maria Formosa
? And, by all means, the most fabulous Campo of all?Piazza San Marco . It is an after dinner tradition to sit and listen to the dueling bands at the various cafes lining both sides of San Marco. The music is great, but bring your wallet if you plan to sit. We usually have gelato and coffee?plan to spend 30E+ with tip?but it is worth it. Many of the people merely stand and enjoy the scene. Either way, it is time well spent.

Very good idea Ira, it sure would help to have FAQ's for people coming to Italy. I was thinking of writing a sort of mini-guide to high tides (or floods as they call them) in Venice myself!

Federico
Venice

IRA
Thanks again for your terrific ideas!!

BOB
Thanks...I've written it all down in my notes!!

FEDERICO
Great idea...how are the HIGH TIDES in November??

ira and others, thanks so much for this info. my daughter is going from Rome to Amalfi and coming over this evening to work on train and boat connections. Couldn't have been a more timely posting. All my work is done.

OK guys, here's my little guide to the high tides in Venice, or floods, or more properly ACQUA ALTA :)

VENICE - A GUIDE

ACQUA ALTA!

Ok, first of all a little introduction. 'Flood' is perhaps not the best word to use, since the, well, 'flooding' in Venice is caused by the floodTIDE. Although it often reminds me of a swamp, Venice actually sits in a lagoon that communicates with the sea through 3 openings (the 3 bocche di porto of the Lido, of Malamocco and of Chioggia). Not many people seem to realize that - I even overheard some Italians (!!!) on a vaporetto the other day, who noticed how low the water was in the canals, and one of them asserted that it was due to the drought. Congratulations buddy, you got it all wrong! ;)
Anyway, now that we got that sorted, everything else should be easier to understand...

***Q1: Darn! I am going to Venice and I heard floods are about. Will that ruin my whole holiday? Should I cancel my trip and go another time?

A1: There is no need to cancel your trip! The floods only last a couple of hours (3, 4 hours tops, if the Southerly scirocco wind is particularly strong, but that doesn't happen all too often), until the tide starts going down again. Now, the tide comes into the lagoon and goes out every 6 hours, not just when the water is so high that your knickers get wet. It's just that sometimes it is higher than usual. This is due to a combination of many factors - the attraction of the moon (well they say it's that anyway), the scirocco wind, streams in the Adriatic Sea, and low atmospheric pressure.
Several people I've met seem to think it is a disaster that happens every year and lasts days and days, much like when a river overflows. This is NOT the case! It happens from time to time, we Venetians are used to it and we deal with it accordingly.

***Q2: OK, so they are tides. When do they usually get higher?

A2: There might be some minor ones in September, and late spring, but the peak is usually from mid/end-October to mid-February/March, so let's say from mid-Fall to end of Winter.

***Q3: OK, suppose I did go to Venice after all. Will I know in advance if the tides will be high?

A3: If you have a computer handy, and your Italian is good enough, check out the site of the Centro Previsioni Maree (Tides Forecast Center) of Venice: http://www.comune.venezia.it/maree/
Also, when a tide is particularly high (>+110cm and <+140CM) sirens spread throughout the lagoon will sound off about 3hrs in advance as a warning. They will sound off again if the tide is forecast to exceed 160cm above 0, which has only happened once or twice in recent decades.

***Q4: So I am in Venice AND there is a high tide. What do I do? Will I have to swim my way across St.Mark's square or what?

A4: Nope, nope, put those flippers away. As the level of the ground varies slightly in various parts of the city, where it is lowest (and therefore deepest under water), boardwalks are swiftly set up if necessary. S.Marco is in a very low zone of the city so it is among the first parts to go under.
Where boardwalks are not present, and the water is low enough, gum boots are all you need (among all the touristy stuff, some stalls also sell plastic boots. Most locals have their own boots at home, though sometimes even I don't put them on beforehand or carry them with me to school, either because I'm lazy or because I am convinced the water won't be too high that particular day!

A note when walking on the boardwalks: keep on the right-hand side, and for pity's sake, DON'T stop right in the middle of one - they are quite narrow and you will be more than frowned upon by locals :D That's something you should also keep in mind in narrow streets and such.

Some people just take off their shoes, roll up their pants and wallow happily in the water. I don't recommend that as the water of the lagoon is not exactly the cleanest. It's your call though!

P.S. The water comes up also through the gully-holes, so even if you see no canals in your immediate surroundings the street in front of you may still be flooded.

If you find this is too much to deal with, just wait a couple of hours until it's over. But it's quite fun actually!

***Q5: OK, now I know what it is all about. What about the locals? What do YOU do? Do your houses get flooded?

A5: Very few people, if any, live on the ground floor nowadays - most homes are on upper floors. For the most part, shops and warehouses have taken their place at ground level. So shopkeepers have the biggest problem! They solve it either with watertight bulkheads on the doors (which work quite well), or quite simply by putting wooden socles under pieces of furniture, so as to raise them and save all the precious merchandise (I wish the sellers of masks and all that kitsch stuff didn't bother with that, so at least part of their horrible stuff got washed away, but that's another story).

BONUS QUESTIONS!

***Q6: Is Venice really sinking?? Will it still be up when I go there? (....OK, OK, I KNOW no one of you would ever ask THAT! Just teasing ya a bit... :) )

A6: If it has been sinking recently, I did not notice it. Too many people think that Venice is doomed to drown soon, and now scientists say that the tectonic plate under the Adriatic, and under Venice, is slowly sinking. While that is probably true, we're not drowning just yet, and if it does happen, it will take centuries and centuries. I suppose global warming, the melting of the Poles, and all that gloom & doom they have been predicting lately, will be an important factor in that.

***Q7: Do all Venetians have a boat? Do they use it to go shopping, go to work, or go visit friends etc.?

A7: Nope, not everyone has a boat. A boat is quite an expense to mantain, and having your own place to moor it can be very expensive - and often it is not close to your home. Among youngsters my age, it is cool to have your own boat, to take out your friends, or girlfriend, maybe for a romantic drive in the lagoon. I personally do not feel the need for my own boat :D
Anyway, the point is that the Venetians who DO have a boat do not use it for everyday things, but more commonly for little Sunday excursions in the lagoon and such.


Well this is it for now. I hope you had fun reading this and will keep in mind these little tips and tricks :) :)

Federico
Venice

Thanks for taking the time to post all that, Frederico!

Ira and all - Thank you so much for your thoughtful and neatly informative post! I wrote it all down! YAY! Thanks again!

Ira - Thank God for the expert wisdom of you, Bob, and all the other Fodor contributors. While I appreciate so many perspectives, there are some things that are generally agreed on by all. Thanks for helping clear the cobwebs out of our heads!

May I suggest, for EXCEPTIONAL photos of accommodations and surroundings in both quality and quantity, any of the worldby.com sites. For a sample, see http://italyby.com/palazzosasso/index.html. This particular sample is an enchanting 5*, but the photos of all the others are just as emcompassing. They are by far better than any site I have found for photos. Another poster had used the services of the site and gave it good reviews. initaly.com is a great site as well, but I found the photos to be very limiting albeit better than those on some other sites. I think you should be pleasantly surprised. I would love to know what you think (perhaps in a new thread in case it is debatable so as not to cloud the clean thread here). Enjoy!

Many thanks to all fo you!!!!

Federico.....thanks for the high-water report!!!
My boots are packed!!

What to do about money.

ATMs (bancomat) are available throughout the country. They give you the best exchange rate. European banks do not charge for the service. Your own bank probably levies a fee for use of your card at ATMs that it doesn't own. See your bank.

Your bank probably has a limit for cash withdrawls. You might be able to have this raised. See your bank.

Many people bring Traveler's Checks or cash as emergency backup.

In the rare event that you card gets stuck in a machine, it can be removed with a pair of tweezers.

It is a good idea to use ATMs located at banks so that in the rare event that the ATM eats your card you can retrieve it immediately.

What about personal safety and avoiding theft?

I will try to keep this response neutral. In some touristed areas, pickpocketing and purse snatching has been on the rise. Although statistically the vast majority of locals and tourists do not become crime victims, a few precautions are suggested.

Some people like hidden wallets or money belts. These can be purchased at many outlets, including travel supply stores like Magellan (see website or call toll-free number in the USA) Others of us just stay with totebags that close tightly and are held comfortably but securely.
Backpacks can be more vulnerable to theft if you can't see or feel what's going on back there. Some people keep routine supplies in a backpack and secure their wallets in other ways.



Regarding vital documents, your credit cards, passport, etc.--Make a set of photocopies of the important pages of your passport, your credit cards, etc.
Leave one set with a trusted person at home, pack one set to take with you. You can also email the account numbers to yourself, and access the info from almost anywhere in an internet cafe.
Remember that toll-free customer service numbers don't work for calls coming from outside the USA, so have alternate numbers to call in case you lose one of your credit or atm cards.

Banks and card companies have differing policies about replacing cards and where they will send them; inquire in advance.

Some people recommend leaving their passport in the hotel safe and walk around only with a photocopy (in case it is needed for ID or for signing up for VAT refunds.) Other people don't want to be parted from their passport under any circumstances and always carry it with them. Some people will carry only one or two credit or atm cards, perhaps carrying one themselves and having their companion if there is one carrrying the other.

If you are in busy tourist places, crowded museums, subway/metros, crowded buses, etc, you need to be aware of skillful pickpockets. Sometimes these "petty" criminals work in teams, sometimes they even use children. Someone may try to distract you with a sign or a request for a handout or even with spilling food on you. Walk away, or yell Go Away! very loudly. The worst you will be is embarrassed. At ATMs, offer no help, accept no help. If it's not working, walk to the next one.
In restaurants or cafes, don't hang your bag on the back of your chair; if you put it on the floor, keep it between your legs.

If you need to stop to reload your camera or consult your map or guidebook, take a seat somewhere, or step into a doorway. You are distracted, no sense in being taken advantage of.

This all sounds like a lot of warnings, but it is just common sense. To the extent that you can avoid being a victim, it's best to do what you can so you can enjoy your trip.

Good security answers from Elaine. For more tips for Italy travel go to slowtrav.com and under ITALY and then PLANNING you will find " 22 Terrific Travel Tips". Too long to replicate here

How do I make reservations for the Accademia and the Uffizi in Florence?

The easiest and cheapest way is to call Florence 011 (U.S. international access code) 39 (Italy's country code) then 055-294-883 8:30-18:30 M-F and 8:30-12:00 Sat. Florence time. You will get an English speaking operator and in 2-3 minutes YOU CAN RESERVE FOR BOTH. This is through the reservation service at the Uffizi and costs beyond the normal entry fee only about 1.60 euro for the service. This is MUCH cheaper than the commercial booking services.

How do I make reservations for the "Secret Itineraries Tour" of the Doge's Palace in Venice?

The number for reservations more than one day ahead is 011 39 041-520-9070.

to ira's good info on the museums, I will add:
Most hotels, even simple B&Bs, are willing to make advance dinner or museum reservations for you. If you are emailing or faxing them anyway, ask if they can take care of this for you.

What are the primary sightseeing venues that accept advance reservations:

Milan: DaVinci's "Last Supper"--required.

Venice: None required except Secret Itinerary of Doge's Palace (see above.)
To avoid the line at San Marco Basilica, you can (respectfully) attend an early morning mass and then stay to sightsee. There is an Italian website that offers reservations for time-restricted visits--www.alata.it

Rome: No advance ticketing for the Vatican Museums. Advance arrangements are necessary for the St Peter's Scavi (underground crypt) tour and for the Vatican Gardens.
Timed entrance is required for the Borghese Gallery, visit is limited to two hours. Your hotel can arrange, there are commercial websites, or you can go directly there and wait for an available entrance slot. The gardens are lovely to visit there if you have time to kill.

Timed tickets also required for Domus Aurea (Nero's Golden House.) Again, reserve in advance or take your chances on just showing up

topping

hoping for more helpful info.

I made reservations for the Ufizzi by calling the reservation number.
I was given a confirmation number, but I was not asked for a credit card for payment.
Does that sound right?
Is payment due when you call for the reservation?
Thanks,
Molly

Hmmm ! Have we missed the popular:

Q.How much time to drive from x to y ?

A. Go to www.viamichelin.com and enjoy

Hi ritamolly,

Good question.

It was not a mistake. The Uffizi and Accademia people will ask for the money when you arrive.

We should keep this thread going:

Q. What is the best map for Italy?

A. Michelin has regional maps that have very good detail[400k] for most travel:
# 561=NW Italy
# 562=NE Italy
# 563=centro Italy[Rome thru Toscana]
# 564=south Italy

If you need real detail[200k] then the TCI has an entire series by regions that you can buy in Italy.

How much time by train to go from x to y? How many trains per day?

www.trenitalia.com

Get to the station in time to determine the platform from which the train leaves. It helps to have the train number in order to do this, because the final destination of the train might not be your stop. Study the yellow departures board, found in every station, for your train, for this information. Or

On trenitalia.com, you can find this out by first getting a list of proposed solutions for your journey; click on a solution to find the composite trains and their train numbers. By clicking on the train number, you can find out the names of the last couple of stops before your stop. This will enable you to be prepared to alight at your stop, at which the train may stop very, very briefly before proceeding. Watch and observe how others open the door - it isn't always automatic!

ES* is the Italian Eurostar,the highest speed train, reservations are part of your ticket purchase.

IC is "Intercity" - a fast express train for which reservations are available for an additional fee.

D and IR trains stand for Diretto and Interregionale. No reservations are available - it's first to sit, gets to sit. They are the slowest trains, but also the cheapest, and will stop at small places passed over by the other trains. (You use these between the Cinque Terre towns, for example.)

In general, tickets are considered vouchers, valid only after you date-time stamp them in the little yellow machines in the station. When in doubt, stamp, to avoid being fined by the conductor.

How do I cope with Italian electricity if my electrical stuff is from the USA?


The electricity in Italy varies, with voltage in the range of 115-120. If you are American and your razor or hairdryer doesn?t have dual voltage capacity, you?ll need a current converter to change the current for your 220v appliances. However, dual voltage or not, you will need a plug adapter with round prongs for Italian outlets. When you buy the converter, it usually comes with, or you can also buy, plug adapters. I will add, and many people agree, that even with the proper voltage transformer and the proper plug adapter, American hairdryers and curling irons don't always work that well overseas.

Check in advance: your hotel may provide hair dryers, which would also save your packing one. Many of the hotel web sites have this information. It is difficult to find a hotel bathroom that has an outlet for you to plug in your hair dryer or other appliance. The bathrooms often have outlets for razors, but not for dryers. I have been known to move furniture around in the bedroom trying to get to a wall outlet. Thus, a hotel that supplies its own hairdryers in the bathrooms has a plus in my book.

http://kropla.com/electric.htm plugs and converters around the world

Hook up your modem just about anywhere www.kropla.com/phones.htm

Here is a website with pictures of all the various plug configurations plus other info on electricity
http://www.escapeartist.com/global/photos.html

Correction to Elaine's very useful post:

Europe, including Italy, uses 220V 50 hz power. The US uses 110 V 60 Hz.

These posts are wonderful! I think it would be great if Fodor's included them in their mini-guides to each city. Should we write to the editors??

Nah,

Collectively, we know more than they do.

thaks for the correction ira, I didn't mean to reverse the numbers.

nessuno problema, Elaine.

How can I daytrip to Pompeii from Rome?

This answer assumes that you don't want to take a bus tour, which is offered by several companies, including Enjoy Rome to mention just one. Most of the tours allow 2-3 hours at the Pompeii site; some include a drive through Naples, and some include a shopping stop.

The following info was originally gleaned from several sources, including, notably, a Fodors poster named Walter who now posts under another name. Due credit--Walter's info was very detailed (even more than what I am including here) but spot on.

The trip takes about three hours on the direct ES or IC trains with an easy change of trains in Naples. First you have to find your train from Rome to Naples:
Go to www.fs-on-line.com click-on "English", Now type-in your cities and use Italian spellings only (Roma, Napoli), type in your date, and then click on "Search". You want the Napoli Centrale station.

The Napoli Garibaldi station and Centrale are essentially the same station, Garibaldi is two levels below Centrale and Garibaldi is for trains continuing onward, while Centrale is a Termini meaning the trains end there.

In Rome's Termini station is a board on the right wall side exit (Via G. Giolatti) listing the train schedules. You?ll probably want to take an ES (Eurostar) or an IC (Intercity) train and will need to decide first vs second class, smoking or non-, and seat reservations. You can use credit cards.

When leaving that day also check the TV monitors for destination/binario /time of your train. The binario is the track number.

Be sure to stamp your ticket before you go to your train, using the little yellow machines. You will see everyone doing this.

At Napoli Centrale train station near the front doors is a wide staircase going down to the Circumvesuviana trains, the commuter train to Herculaneum, Pompeii, and Sorrento. At the bottom of the stairs bear left, you come upon a hallway with the Circumvesuviana ticket windows on the left (Metro ticket windows on the right).

Don?t go through the turnstiles opposite the ticket windows. Continue down the corridor and turn right. At the end of this hall are the Circumvesuviana turnstiles. On the wall in front of you 2 boards will post the next 2 arriving trains, you want the *Sorrento* train (don't worry if it's not listed yet). Half-way down *each* platform is another Departure Board and it will list that train's destination and time. The train's destination for you will be "Sorrento". The stop you want
is "Pompeii Scavi-Villa dei Misteri". Once there, you walk under the tracks outside the station turn right and walk about 50 yards.

The Pompeii station still had a luggage storage room last I heard, but it was unattended. You might want to secure your stuff with a travel cable and lock.

At the excavation site there are licensed guides who charge by the tour.
The price is the same for one or more people, so see if you can join with some others to divide the cost.

Alternatively,Rick Steves' book has a very good self-guided walk, and I am not normally his biggest fan.

Many people also, or instead, like going to Herculaneum because it is much smaller, better preserved, and less crowded.

very helpful, elaine

I know all the posters here have very good intentions. But I firmly believe all tourists deserve clear and accurate information. Please, before you make a contribution like this, take the time to clean up your info. Otherwise, you're not really helping anyone.

I come from a family of boaters and the word "navigation" was taken seriously. If you found yourself on water during a storm or in darkness you needed precise information to get you home safely. So, to narrow the focus of "bobthenavigator," I offer the following:

The Alilaguna is a boat (a bus has four wheels). The fee is 10 Euro from the airport to San Marco or Zaterre. Here is their fee chart: http://www.alilaguna.it/?funzione=12...2&valore=0

Bob's "private speed boat service" is actually called a "water taxi" or just plain "taxi." The word "taxi" appears on every taxi boat along with its registration number. The taxi business is regulated and fees are set. Don't expect any speedy boat rides. Speed is regulated in the lagoon and feels like a snail's pace to speed boat fans. Your water taxi trip-time will completely depend on your final drop off destination.

Vaporettos are boats, too, but are commonly called "waterbuses". A one-way ride on the Grand Canal is 3.50 Euro. A 72 hour pass (3 day) is 22 Euro. Here is their fare info: http://www.actv.it/eng/vapo_tariffe.htm

Again, Bob's "private sleek speed boats" ARE taxis and will cost you 10 Euro per person in and around the lagoon, depending on where you wish to go.

For one of Venice's most intellectual tours, you may wish to check out Venicescapes (http://www.venicescapes.org/) Michael Broderick is adorable but, oh, so intense.

Venice should be experienced in a lifetime. Never limit your visits unless you must. I prefer even numbers.

I agree with Vino Vino for cichetti and a great bottle of wine but expect service to be surly if you don't speak some Italian. And, if you need your American hands held in a Venice restaurant jam packed with Americans on a budget, by all means dine at San Travaso or Alla Madonna (which Bob did not mention).

For an interesting alternative to staying in a hotel, try staying in a convent or monastery.

Bob, thank you for your suggestion. ;-)

NYCFoodSnob, Bob was talking to me. ;-)

I'm sure you had good intentions, NYC, but you aren't helping anyone if you can't condescend properly! When you write "You may wish" instead of the correct "You MIGHT wish" [to check out Venicescapes] you are really letting down the snob ship, as it were. And what's this "final drop-off destination" business. What other kind of final destination did you have in mind for that water taxi? Please! Redundancy is soooooo tacky.

Hey folks,

I had hoped that this would be a list of useful information, please try not to turn it into a cat fight.

(my apologies to cats)

Thank you! You answered ny map question! I will return to this thread in the coming weeks.... I am sure.

Ira

When life hands you lemons, you can fret about 'em or make lemonade. My remarks were tongue in cheek.

See you in Italia in 04 : - )