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dreamon Aug 8th, 2019 07:25 PM

Good news day for Venice
 
At last - some restrictions on enormous cruise ships visiting Venice: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-...entre/11398434


kja Aug 8th, 2019 08:34 PM

Finally! :yay:

Dukey1 Aug 8th, 2019 08:34 PM

Odd...a cruise ship ON the Grand Canal itself. "some residents complained" apparently not all of them. I guess the various tour operators and merchants are thrilled about potential loss of revenue, too.

Leely2 Aug 8th, 2019 09:05 PM

A step in the right direction.

Sassafrass Aug 8th, 2019 10:30 PM

Yea!

nonconformist2 Aug 8th, 2019 10:51 PM

They're not banned from visiting at all, just from the Grand Canal/centre and sent to a mooring a bit further away than at present. And it's been phased in over several years because they have to build new facilities for docking at Marghera: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8044026.html

JulieVikmanis Aug 9th, 2019 02:17 AM

Hurrah!

JessicaBr Aug 9th, 2019 04:30 AM

That is good news, there should be restrictions. I do think it will be hard to find the perfect balance.

HappyTrvlr Aug 9th, 2019 04:37 AM

The wake of those large ships was damaging the historic buildings. Cruise passengers may grab lunch but they are staying in hotels and dining in the evening. We now try to avoid waterfront towns and cities where cruise ships stop.

werth Aug 9th, 2019 03:35 PM

Here is how I felt about it a few years ago. I still feel the same way.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fod...b0db8ec8e8.jpg

Cowboy1968 Aug 9th, 2019 03:56 PM

I still have to see a big ship going up the Canale Grande.
And I wonder why a city like Venice built a massive cruise port infrastructure and then wonders why big cruise ships go there.
If they had not built it, there would not have been big ships.
Homemade problems, I would say.

BDKR Aug 9th, 2019 11:44 PM

Big ships never used the Canale Grande of course. It's way too shallow, narrow and the bridges very low.

They get banned from the Giudecca channel.

nonconformist2 Aug 10th, 2019 12:00 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

bvlenci Aug 10th, 2019 05:13 AM

I don't know where that news item came from. I've searched all Italian news services and don't see anything on new regulations about giant cruise ships since the last two accidents, the most recent over a month ago. I also don't think the Italian (national) government has any way to impose such a rule.

As someone else pointed out above, any ban would have await the opening of an alternative channel, which doesn't seem to be proceeding with celerity.
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The local government depends for a substantial portion of its budget on the cruise ships, which don't get to sail up the St. Mark's Canal and the Giudecca Canal for free. So they are a bit lukewarm on the idea of banning the cruise ships. Also vendors of pizza slices, gelato, and fake Murano glass are opposed to any such ban.

The most radical proposal I've heard is a restriction on the size of the cruise ships that can pass in the center of Venice. That was not recent. If anyone can point me to a first-hand source, preferably Italian, for this article, I'll be grateful to know about it.

Cowboy1968 Aug 10th, 2019 05:38 AM

There are a few articles, like this one:

https://www.veneziatoday.it/attualit...toninelli.html

But it sounds as if the alternative ports or docks are not seen as valid alternatives by all parties involved.
I assume that you need to have some transport options available if you want a cruise ship to dock at a RoRo Terminal. Which is build to handle trucks, but not several thousand people.

yestravel Aug 10th, 2019 11:10 AM

Big cruise ships are pollutants - both for people and the environment. I hope these steps can conserve Venice.

bvlenci Aug 10th, 2019 11:51 AM


There are a few articles, like this one:

https://www.veneziatoday.it/attualit...toninelli.html

But it sounds as if the alternative ports or docks are not seen as valid alternatives by all parties involved.
The seriousness of the proposal is contained in the words "potrebbe essere possibile". The article says that it "may be possible", starting in 2020, to reduce the number of cruise ships in the St. Mark's basin by up to one third. They've been saying stuff like that for years.

The original article, from Australian ABC news, seems to have no foundation.

Here's another gem from that article (my translation): "The terminal Ro Ro at Fusina could be an alternative... even though the docks are still being constructed."

And another: "When the plans for the passage of the large ships are complete in all their elements, they can be brought up to public discussion."

Maybe our grandchildren will live to see it.

maitaitom Aug 10th, 2019 01:49 PM

Great photo werth! (:

yestravel Aug 10th, 2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by maitaitom (Post 16968427)
Great photo werth! (:

Indeed it is! Why do people go on those horrible things? Its like an apt bldg turned on its side--hideous!

dreamon Aug 10th, 2019 11:49 PM

I'm surprised and disappointed if the ABC have jumped the gun - they're usually pretty reliable but maybe there was some wishful thinking going on? bvlenci, I'll be keen to hear if you hear anything further in Italy.


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