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PalenQ Nov 3rd, 2017 11:07 AM

Germany's Proposed 'Anne Frank Train' Causes Outcry
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/w...ank-train.html

Seems a plan to name one of Germany's newest high-speed trains after Anne Frank was a poor idea poorly thought out!

What were they thinking? Hop the Anne Frank train to the east?

Southam Nov 3rd, 2017 12:15 PM

Anne's name has also become embroiled with the notorious “fans” of the Lazio football/soccer team in Rome.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/spo...beandmail.com&

Bedar Nov 3rd, 2017 12:17 PM

Truly bizarre, PalenQ.

PalenQ Nov 3rd, 2017 12:19 PM

When I saw story in NYTimes I thought had to be some kind of sick joke! Kind of autistic for sure.

Jean Nov 3rd, 2017 12:33 PM

Autistic?

bvlenci Nov 3rd, 2017 12:42 PM

I think he meant to say "atavistic". Blame it on automatic spelling correction, Pal!

PalenQ Nov 3rd, 2017 01:07 PM

Thanks bvlenci!

nukesafe Nov 3rd, 2017 02:32 PM

Perhaps "autistic' is not a bad choice of words here. One part of the definition is, "A person with an ASD typically has difficulty with social and communication skills."

Whoever thought up the scheme of naming the train certainly has those symptoms.

pariswat Nov 3rd, 2017 02:57 PM

The train started in Dachau ?

denisea Nov 4th, 2017 05:06 AM

Unbelievable. How did no one at DB not get that this might not be a good idea?

PalenQ Nov 4th, 2017 05:48 AM

The train started in Dachau ?>

No Drancy then ended in Dachau?

hetismij2 Nov 4th, 2017 06:26 AM

The name was one of the most suggested in a competition to name new DB trains. Their aim was to honour her, and what she represents. They accept their role in the Holocaust, and have a museum in Neurenberg about their role in it.
It was well meant, but not well thought through, probably because those involved are too young to make the immediate connection.
They are reconsidering the choice, and consulting Jewish organisations about it.The Anne Frankstichting has said they will not take steps to prevent the train being named thus, but are advising DB againt it.

The train would have ended Bergen Belsen btw. Amsterdam to Bergen Belsen via Westerbork and Auschwitz/Birkenau.

menachem Nov 4th, 2017 10:40 AM

I'm jewish and dutch and I see no problem, frankly.

I think they should just do it, also because Anne Frank was German. Naming a train after a celebrated German-Jewish author: I'm all for it.

BigRuss Nov 4th, 2017 10:56 AM

<<They accept their role in the Holocaust, and have a museum in Neurenberg about their role in it.>>

No they don't.

Two words: The Reader.

menachem Nov 4th, 2017 11:05 AM

Care to elucidate, BigRuss? Know something we don't? Germany's "vergangenheitsbewältigung" can serve as an example to many genocidal nations that need to examine their actions in history.

PalenQ Nov 4th, 2017 11:47 AM

The train would have ended Bergen Belsen btw. Amsterdam to Bergen Belsen via Westerbork and Auschwitz/Birkenau.>

Really - you gotta be kidding - now that's autistic - hopping a train to the east to work camps.

Germans I've talked to are quite apologetic when talking about past genocides and it weren't just Jewish but gays, gypsies even slavs.

menachem Nov 6th, 2017 04:00 AM

I think some of the irony was lost in translation, PQ.

also please drop the A word as a pejorative term. Thanks.

I really wish many western colonial nations, including the US with its own genocidal past, emulated Germany in this respect.

PalenQ Nov 6th, 2017 01:16 PM

I think some of the irony was lost in translation, PQ.>

Yes I thought about that - can't be so a train of any name with those stops.

Naming a train after a celebrated German-Jewish author: I'm all for it.>

Thinking it over I still think it's rather ill-thought out - just because it is a train. Airplanes fine but trains to the east - no way Jose.

PalenQ Nov 7th, 2017 07:15 AM

I'm jewish and dutch and I see no problem, frankly.>

You may be an outlier on that? Article says Jewish groups were appalled - including folks at the Anne Frank House.

ira Nov 7th, 2017 07:24 AM

>Amsterdam to Bergen Belsen via Westerbork and Auschwitz/Birkenau.

Oh, my.

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