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111op Sep 13th, 2004 08:36 AM

Yes. Schoenberg is part of the Second Viennese School (along with Webern and Berg). His fame has obviously eclipsed that of Zemlinsky's.

Ok, you can take over now. I'll try not to play this game at all this week.

By the way, I could use a new job that involves trivia, if anyone knows of any. :-)

yk Sep 13th, 2004 08:37 AM

< He and two other composers are members of what's commonly referred to as the blah blah blah. >

The second viennese school: Schoenberg, Berg & Webern

111op Sep 13th, 2004 08:40 AM

By the way, trivia about Webern -- he was shot mistakenly after the War was over. The irony.

Supposedly the most austere of the three, and his output lasts just three hours -- if you can bear to listen to it. :-)

yk Sep 13th, 2004 08:47 AM

I usually avoid attending concerts that feature any of the above composers. Call me "old-fashioned".

Unbeknownst to be, turns out that my BF has a CD with The Moldau by Semtana. I listened to it this weekend and really enjoyed it.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 08:53 AM

I don't think that I've listened to the Moldau complete, but I've heard that most famous bit and can actually hum it.

I've been becoming more adventurous in my concert going. I think that I've heard the Berg Violin Concerto at least twice now -- people claim it's one of the most accessible works of the Second Viennese School. Give it a try. It takes some getting used to at first, but the finale quotes a Bach chorale and then transforms it.

Not all of Schoenberg's works are atonal. Actually a well-known piece is "Verklaerte Nacht" ("Transfigured Night"). It's actually quite nice -- it's late romantic. The original version is one for string sextet, I think, but there's an orchestral version.

yk Sep 13th, 2004 08:53 AM

This freed-slave (3 words: 6,7,4, "r" is 3rd letter of last name) invented this (9 letters) in order to record speeches of the senate. One of his invention was this symbol (one character) which we still use these days (the symbol has been used in this thread).

111op Sep 13th, 2004 09:02 AM

I found part of the answer already, but I really should not play. :-)

Not sure what the symbol is though -- the ampersand?

This one is a fun clue.

yk Sep 13th, 2004 09:48 AM

You're on the right track. But I guess I shouldn't say anymore as you are not playing this thread this week...

111op Sep 13th, 2004 09:56 AM

Well, ok, I Googled the answer an hour ago --

Marcus Tullius Tiro for shorthand.

http://www.ualberta.ca/~sreimer/ms-c...e/abbrevtn.htm

But is the symbol an ampersand?

KT Sep 13th, 2004 09:57 AM

At first I thought "freed slave" "senate" -- isn't that the US instead of Europe? And then...inspiration! (Thanks to the ampersand clue.)

Marcus Tullius Tiro invented a form of shorthand to record the speeches of the Roman Senate. Right?


KT Sep 13th, 2004 09:58 AM

I yield to 111op.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 10:01 AM

Nah, you give us a clue, KT. I should be working.

I do want to know if it's the ampersand symbol though. I didn't want to respond initially, but I figured that I should be vain and tell everyone that I know it but am not playing. :-)

yk Sep 13th, 2004 10:03 AM

Yes, both correct.
The symbol I have in mind is &. It was ET in Latin, which Tiro shorthanded it into &.
However, the term "ampersand" did not come into history until much later. & was supposed to be the 27th letter of the alphabet. When the alphabet was recited, it ended with "and per se and" which became "ampersand".

111op & KT you two and fight over who gives the next clue!

111op Sep 13th, 2004 10:04 AM

KT can take it.

I'm researching another clue though in case I need to use it in the future. :-)

KT Sep 13th, 2004 10:07 AM

OK, give me a couple of minutes. I don't promise it will be nearly as elaborate as the ones you experts write, though.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 10:10 AM

Oh, I do that only to show off and because I've too much time on my hands. :-)

It won't take much to stump me.

KT Sep 13th, 2004 10:22 AM

A famous painting cycle in a city of masks and glass.

The exact location of the cycle, kind of a predecessor to a frat house, is 5 words (6, 6, 2, 3, 5).

The first word starts with the S in Marcus. The penultimate word starts with the S in Tullius. The last word begins with the R in Tiro.

And the artist is 10 letters, 8th letter T as in Tullius.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 10:24 AM

I know the answer already, but I'll let someone else take a crack. :-)

Nice clue.

KT Sep 13th, 2004 10:25 AM

P.S. Clues are available on request (and if I can think of any good clues!)

KT Sep 13th, 2004 10:27 AM

Jeeze, 111op, you're speedy. And I meant hints, not clues, are available, but you obviously don't need them.

Now let's just wait a little....


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