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yk Sep 12th, 2004 03:37 PM

Yes. You got it all.
Friedrich von Schiller's full name is
Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller

yk Sep 12th, 2004 03:41 PM

Apart from Don Carlos & Maid of Orleans, he also wrote Luisa Miller (Verdi), William Tell (Rossini) and Maria Stuarda (Donizetti). He also adapted Turandot.

111op Sep 12th, 2004 03:51 PM

I think that I need to stop playing this game this coming week.... I really, really need to get some stuff done. :-)

So maybe this will be the last clue for now.

Theme: Relationships between musical personalities. Earlier, I had a clue involving Kogan, a violinist, who was a brother-in-law of Gilels, a pianist, and who made a cameo appearance in the Eric Rohmer movie "Ma Nuit chez Maud."

Now, figure out the identities of all the pairs given below. To make it more challenging, I'll sometimes not provide hints regarding what each member of the pair does/did. They are all musicians, dead or living. The two in each pair are related by blood or by marriage.

Pair 1. Person 1, 5 letters (2nd = "i"); Person 2, 6 letters (2nd = "a"). They're both composers.

Pair 2. Person 1, 8 letters (2nd = "o"); Person 2, 9 letters (2nd = "o"). Both extremely famous.

Pair 3. Person 1, 6 letters (2nd = "e"); Person 2, 5 letters. (To make this easier, Person 1 was a pianist, and Person 2 was a violinist.)

Pair 4. Person 1 (2 words, 2, 3); Person 2, 9 letters. (To make this easier, Person 1 was a woman, and a recent movie was made based on her story.)

Pair 5. Person 1 ("correct" spelling has 10 letters -- a hint here). More famous than Person 2 (10 letters, whose name involves a letter that is not frequently used -- another hint).

I hope this should be fun and keep people busily guessing for a while.

111op Sep 12th, 2004 03:53 PM

Actually, I guess they're all related by marriage -- no blood relations -- their last names are all different.

111op Sep 12th, 2004 03:54 PM

And to make this a little easier, everyone is dead except for Person 2 in Pair 4, who is a VIP in the music world.

yk Sep 12th, 2004 03:57 PM

Pair 1 is
Liszt & Wagner (whom Liszt's daughter married)

Will have to think about the rest. Maybe this clue should be a combined effort from all players in this game? :)

111op Sep 12th, 2004 03:59 PM

Yes to Pair 1.

Collaboration is encouraged. :-)

It shouldn't be hard if you pay attention to classical music trivia, I think.

Anyway, as I said, I really should not even look at this thread this coming week, so I guess it's ok to get a little carried away with this clue. :-)

111op Sep 12th, 2004 04:06 PM

Sorry, I think that Person 2 of Pair #5 has 9 letters.

(Be creative in your sleuthing in case I miscounted. :-) )

Good night all.

yk Sep 12th, 2004 04:16 PM

Pair 2:
Horowitz & Toscanini? (Horowitz married Toscanini's daughter)

111op Sep 13th, 2004 02:47 AM

Correct to Pair 2.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 03:15 AM

Hint to Pair 3: Person 1 has a son, who's also a pianist and currently pretty active and famous, but not as famous as his father. Both are/were associated with a famous conservatory in a city where one of the frequently players of this game lived.

Person 2's name was taken up by a musical group (no longer active, presumably, as all the members are probably dead).

yk Sep 13th, 2004 07:02 AM

Pair 3:
(Rudolf) Serkin & (Adolf) Busch?
Serkin married Busch's daughter. (The hint definitely helped :) )

111op Sep 13th, 2004 07:08 AM

That's correct. Of course, the conservatory in the hint is Curtis in Philadelphia.

By the way, a famous story about Rudolf Serkin is that he once played the entire "Goldberg Variations" as an encore -- if you could imagine this.... I wonder if he played the repeats. :-) Supposedly there were just three (?) people left in the audience, one of whom was Busch.

Rudolf Serkin's son is Peter Serkin.

Pair 4 should not be too difficult. The movie is not very "recent" but appeared in the past couple of years.

yk Sep 13th, 2004 07:25 AM

Pair 4:
du Pré & Barenboim?

yk Sep 13th, 2004 07:26 AM

The movie was Hilary and Jackie.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 07:30 AM

Yes!

Jacqueline du Pre, British cellist, who basically made her name by playing Elgar's cello concerto (supposedly one of EMI's best-selling discs), died of multiple sclerosis.

Daniel Barenboim is the current musical director of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, but I believe I read somewhere that he's not renewing his contract.

Need a hint for Pair 5? :-)

111op Sep 13th, 2004 07:43 AM

Interesting article by Norman Lebrecht on Barenboim -- well, whether you think Lebrecht is trustworthy is another story (I've not read anything by him really, but he seems controversial). I've an interesting story to tell regarding Lebrecht though. I recently conversed randomly with someone sitting next to me on an NYC subway train. It turns out that he was reading an article by Lebrecht, but in Hungarian (I guess the article was translated into Hungarian). Only in NYC?

http://www.scena.org/columns/lebrech...barenboim.html

"He once dreamed aloud of playing recitals in London, New York and Los Angeles on a single day, an artistically void feat achievable by Concord."

yk Sep 13th, 2004 08:07 AM

OK, I'll take a hint.

111op Sep 13th, 2004 08:09 AM

Hint to Pair 5:

Person 1 took music in a completely new direction (it should be pretty obvious as what I mean). He and two other composers are members of what's commonly referred to as the blah blah blah.

Person 2's name starts with a letter that's rarely used in English.

yk Sep 13th, 2004 08:33 AM

Schoenberg & Zemlinsky


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