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hopingtotravel Mar 24th, 2004 07:35 AM

Defused Bomb
 
CNBC just mentioned that a bomb was discovered and removed from under the train from Paris to Basil.

MFNYC Mar 24th, 2004 07:42 AM

just saw the story on bbc.com. who is AZF?

111op Mar 24th, 2004 07:45 AM

I haven't read the article, but I think that this is the domestic/French terrorist group that's been blackmailing the government. A few months ago another bomb was defused.


Tallulah Mar 24th, 2004 08:17 AM

Can I just say that if this is likely to turn into a 'Oh-no-we-can't-go-somewhere-that's-possibly-unsafe' thread, then really please don't. Have lived in London all my life and, although much better now, if I worried everytime a bomb was discovered then I'd never have left my house...

More chance of being run over by a bus etc etc....

Don't worry and/or change your plans - you just let these very warped individuals/groups win...

MFNYC Mar 24th, 2004 08:25 AM

Tallulah, I don't see it as that kind of post. I live in NYC and am leaving for Madrid and London in < 2 weeks. Need I say more! In any case, I hope people aren't too alarmed, I'm not.

hopingtotravel Mar 24th, 2004 08:30 AM

Nope. Posted purely as info FWIW. I agree. If you stop traveling, then they've won. Can you imagine how stultifying life would be if you never saw any place but home? I would just plan to be vigilant.

elaine Mar 24th, 2004 08:31 AM

Hi Tallulah
I, respectfully, have a different point of view.
IMO, the crazies ARE winning, they win every time civilians are killed.
I'm a New Yorker. Obviously I haven't moved away (where would I go?) and I still travel.

Tallulah Mar 24th, 2004 08:33 AM

Sigh..! I knew that I'd get that reaction and that REALLY wasn't what I meant! What I was saying was that these things do happen and I DO hope that people take your stance and travel whatever...

I truly apologise if I've offended you but alas I have read a number of threads on here where reactions have been alarmist to what is ostensibly a not unusual occurrence...

Please travel without worry and enjoy!!!

indytravel Mar 24th, 2004 08:43 AM

Hi Tallulah,

Tallulah was my Mom's name. There don't seem to be a lot people with that name here in the US. Demi Moore named one of her girls Tallulah Belle.

Is it an unusual name in the UK?

Tallulah Mar 24th, 2004 08:54 AM

Hi Indytravel!

VERY unusual in this country! My mum had(and subsequently so do I) a thing about Tallulah Bankhead - American actress in early 20th Century. If you've never heard of her, do look her up, she was utterly outrageous and really quite wonderful!

indytravel Mar 24th, 2004 09:01 AM

My Mom was actually named after the town where her Mom's family came from, Tallulah, Louisiana.

Tallulah Bankhead is the only famous Tallulah I know of. She did lead quite a life.

I was looking around on the internet a while back and discovered that Tallulah is actually a Native American word meaning "leaping waters." That's how Tallulah Falls, Georgia was named. The falls look beautiful. I'll have to make it some day.

http://ngeorgia.com/parks/tallulah.html

sera Mar 24th, 2004 09:42 AM

Please, no more "if we do X or don't do X the terrorists will have won" blather. Let's face it, they really don't care what we do. In their propaganda, we are the "infidel" and are beyond redemption.

Have a nice day!

WillTravel Mar 24th, 2004 11:18 AM

The original poster no doubt meant Basel, Switzerland.

StCirq Mar 24th, 2004 11:19 AM

It's Basel, in Switzerland.

capo Mar 24th, 2004 11:52 AM

Re: <i>from Paris to Basil</i>

If it was a bomb on a train to Basil, I would've assumed it would be fawlty.

Mucky Mar 24th, 2004 12:59 PM

Lol at CalgirlSusan, made me chuckle...thank you

Muck

;-)

Flaca1 Mar 24th, 2004 01:22 PM

My sister is named Tallulah also, after Tallulah Bankhead. My dad loved movies stars - got a brother Boris - after Karloff!
Regarding bombs - its an issue all over the world - evil people are everywhere. But we must not let them defeat us. I have plans for France in May - and I could easily die here in Miami!

MmeDesiree Mar 24th, 2004 02:51 PM

Well, I don't care what those %#&amp;@*! may be up to next. My husband &amp; I just booked our flight from Miami to Paris for June. This is our 9th anniversary get-a-way &amp; we refuse let this news bother us. It actually causes me to think about traveling more. There may come a time when we simply can't travel abroad or even in our own countries for saftey reasons. Who knows??

indytravel Mar 24th, 2004 03:24 PM

Feeling contrary. In the US 40,000 people or more are killed each and every year, year after year due to auto wrecks. Half of those are related to driving mixed with alcohol and/or drugs.

Where's the outcry? Where's the outrage? Where's the mobilization of police forces to stop this? Where are the tougher laws? That's 20,000 deaths a year that nobody seems to care about. I guess it's OK to kill people 2 or 3 at a time...

capo Mar 24th, 2004 03:53 PM

indytravel, interestingly I just read/heard something about this recently. The person was saying that it's not as if we think it's &quot;OK&quot; to kill 2 or 3 people at a time but, rather, that it simply doesn't get our attention, as much as some event -- like an airplane crash -- that kills so many people at a time, and also so dramatically.

If a hypothetically huge bus carrying the same number of people as a 747 was hit by a drunk driver, causing to, say, plunge off a cliff and killing everyone on board, it would get far more press than the same number of people slaughtered by drunk drivers one by one.

At issue with drunk driving is the classic liberty vs. security debate. Checkpoints on roads, for example, might provide greater security -- nabbing more drunk drivers -- but there are those who see them as an unfair infringment on liberties, i.e. a violation of the Fourth Amendment (unreasonable search and seizure.)

beachbum Mar 24th, 2004 04:01 PM

Not to mention that we knowingly accept the risk of an auto accident every time we get behind the wheel. But most of us are less willing to accept the risk that the plane we're on will be flown into a building by a terrorist.

capo Mar 24th, 2004 04:08 PM

Exactly. But, even with airplanes we still have a liberty vs. security tradeoff. Just look at all the weapons that have been confiscated from air travelers post-9/11. Even improved security is far from foolproof.

It's been suggested in jest that people be required to fly naked -- or pass through airport security naked -- but that cuts to the heart of the liberty vs. security debate. If, hypothetically, requiring people to go through security naked would result in close-to-foolproof security, how many people would be in favor of it? (besides, of course, exhibitionists :) )

cigalechanta Mar 24th, 2004 04:17 PM

Indy, in Tallulah's bio, she said she was named after the falls.
She was much quoted as Dorothy Parker
&quot;&iuml;t's the good girls who keep diaries; the bad girls, don't have time.
&quot;I'll come to make love to you at 5 o'clock. If I'm late, start without me.&quot;

Jocelyn_P Mar 24th, 2004 04:17 PM

And what kind of people would be applying for the screener jobs? Scary thought!

ThinGorjus Mar 24th, 2004 04:33 PM

I was going to purposely watch the CNN news programme today, but I had not the chance. Currently, I find no news on the bomb found under the Basil-bound train. (I purposely used a split infinitive to p*ss off St. Cirq).

Determined prescriptive grammarians build strong enemies on message boards. (here I use the prepositional phrase as adverb, O my transitive patterns with modifiers!)

Yawn_boring Mar 24th, 2004 05:04 PM

Indy,

Uh .......

Maybe because drunk drivers don't *intend* to kill and Muslim fanatics *do*?

Just a thought ....


StCirq Mar 24th, 2004 05:43 PM

ThinGorjus: Did you also confuse Basel with a fragrant herb? Or are you just geographically challenged?

I don't care how many infinitives you split since unlike others you don't pay me to fix them.

Patrick Mar 24th, 2004 05:46 PM

I'm just curious. Is the direct train from Paris to Basil also called the Pesto Express?

cigalechanta Mar 24th, 2004 06:15 PM

Patrick, I think it's called , THE SAGE Coach.

WillTravel Mar 24th, 2004 11:29 PM

In case anyone hasn't read the actual article:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...plosives_found


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