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LSky Sep 22nd, 2014 10:21 AM

It's difficult to believe that people with split pants for children to poop on the street would have any problem with some doggie doo.

TDudette Sep 22nd, 2014 10:35 AM

It bothers me to read about such generalizations in the media. It is how stereotypes get started and it's unfortunate.

Just as we only see and hear the ugly American, there are plenty of people of all nations who know how to act.

(My late hub's doc is Chinese and we were privileged to dine with them. On the topic of travel, they accused Japanese tourists of some of the same things!)

justineparis Sep 22nd, 2014 10:39 AM

I find if funny that some people bring up that they know like one Chinese person.. as it that's a sample of what its really like to know and live in an area with hundreds if not thousands of Chinese immigrants.

And yes Dukey.. I know.. we sold our souls.

IMDonehere Sep 22nd, 2014 10:52 AM

I find if funny that some people bring up that they know like one Chinese person.. as it that's a sample of what its really like to know and live in an area with hundreds if not thousands of Chinese immigrants.
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AHHHH, I live in an area with 100,000's of Chinese-Americans and one of those families calls my wife and myself Aunt and Grandpa using the Chinese words and Grandpa because it much funnier than Uncle. And that is not counting the others we know including inter-racial marriages and the attendance of baby banquets, weddings, and 10 course birthday parties. Yes, their are grand difference but that is the glory of a multi-cultural society and one the main reasons for travel.

Of course, there is not French person on these boards who will accept one iota of responsibility for this hostile relationship much of course is the attitude that helps fuel this hostile relationship.

kerouac Sep 22nd, 2014 11:15 AM

Actually, IMD, there are plenty of French people here who accept the truth -- even the ugly truth -- about how the French are perceived by other cultures. But I am also happy to know that there is almost nobody on this board who believes the total hogwash that you write here constantly, always based on links that you found since you have not been to Paris for such a long time. Do you think that xenophobic links make you an expert about anything?

Here's a little factoid: France is the #1 country in the world for mixed marriages (racial, religious, cultural...). If the French are so horrible, how could this be possible?

IMDonehere Sep 22nd, 2014 11:29 AM

It is true I have not been in Paris in six years. I also know Le Pen's party garnered 25% of the vote in the 2014 European Parliament election, 24 of France's 74 seats. And it was the first time the anti-immigrant, anti-EU party had won a nationwide election in its four-decade history. And that a recent poll by the ADL world wide poll of anti-Semitism showed a huge 37% in France as compared to 8% in the UK.

http://global100.adl.org/#map/weurope

So there is a pattern here.

NewbE Sep 22nd, 2014 11:34 AM

IMD now has the fight he wanted from the start. kerouac, don't feed the troll!!

Pintxos Sep 22nd, 2014 11:51 AM

I think there are parallels between Chinese and Russian tourists. Although Russians are a bit socially acculturated, they still have the sharp elbows and survival of the fittest mentality. When the Soviet Union fell apart, there were many "chelnoki", people who would travel with borrowed money to countries either in the West or Turkey, China, and Pakistan to buy goods for resale at much higher prices. Although, due to the distance, Paris is not a destination for such chelnoki, it is a destination for luxury goods.

On a separate note, I read the article about France being an unhappy place. It seems that the potential for social mobility and the high level of competition may contribute to the survey outcomes.

PalenQ Sep 22nd, 2014 12:24 PM

IMD- what about rampant anti-Semitism you say about Paris? Didn't mention that (yet!) or I may have missed it as I expected it.

also find Chinese behaviour such as spitting, public urinating and defecating, shouting, ignoring no entry signs, etc etc highly offensive.>

Parisians upset about public urination - though it seems to have waned with the free public toilets all over for years when I was in Paris it was usual to see clochards pissing right out in the open and black asphalt sidewalks often had tell-tale traces of the urine flower after it dried, leaving dark marks.

Just others by how you judge yourself.

IMDonehere Sep 22nd, 2014 12:32 PM

Newbe the next fact you cite will be the first. You rarely write about travel, so what is your contribution?

PalenQ-how come you ignored the fact that Le Pens' party got 25% of the vote. That is a racist, anti-immigrant party, that doesn't even disguise its intentions.

There is a problem with the Chinese that no other major capital seems to have.

There is a pattern here bolstered by facts.

Pvoyageuse Sep 22nd, 2014 12:48 PM

"There is a problem with the Chinese that no other major capital seems to have."

Really? :
http://www.businessinsider.com/china...rassing-2013-8

LSky Sep 22nd, 2014 12:54 PM

The way to make all tourists less embarrassing is to let them travel. Then people will see that all countries have their embarrassing people as well as the less embarrassing.

kerouac Sep 22nd, 2014 12:56 PM

After all, it cured some of the Americans. ;-)

PalenQ Sep 22nd, 2014 12:58 PM

PalenQ-how come you ignored the fact that Le Pens' party got 25% of the vote. That is a racist, anti-immigrant party, that doesn't even disguise its intentions>

you are thinking of the old one-eyed (lost it in a brawl I heard) Le Pen's National Front party - and not the 'new' Marie Le Pen party - my French friends are less racists than most French even flirted with it - not because of racism but the fear the France is losing its 'frenchness' as my French ex-wife said - a bit different than outright racism.

NewbE Sep 22nd, 2014 01:09 PM

<There is a problem with the Chinese that no other major capital seems to have.>
IMD, now I know you didn't even read the article the OP linked to but just went off on your own musings--kind word, that--as usual.

The thread was started to discuss problems Chinese tourists are having with the French. YOU are discussing problems with Chinese tourists, by way of pointless comparisons to your own neighborhood and not-subtle-enough dog whistles to the xenophobic.


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