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PalenqueBob Sep 20th, 2007 12:24 PM

what happened to 'aboriginal peoples'

PatrickLondon Sep 20th, 2007 12:32 PM

>>what happened to 'aboriginal peoples'<<

They stood up for themselves, the term having been understood in various derogatory ways.

Neil_Oz Sep 20th, 2007 01:27 PM

"A case of the brand name being the object name (similar to Kleenex/facial tissue)"

Another case being that of my English-born friend who doesn't "vacuum" the rug but "hoovers" it - even though they own an Electrolux...

Neil_Oz Sep 20th, 2007 01:38 PM

I think Bill Bryson noted that Americans use "creek" indiscriminately to describe any small watercourse, whereas in Britain it's applied to an inlet from the sea, other little rivers being "streams"?

In Australia they're all "creeks", just as we have a lot of paddocks, but no fields. But I was interested to see during a driving holiday (US, "vacation") in New Zealand that I crossed nothing but "streams" in the North Island but always "creeks" in the South Island.

Also, we were taken aback to be told by a motel owner within a couple of kilometres of the centre of Christchurch that there was a "dairy" (pronounced something like "deary") up the road. The neighbourhood seemed far too built-up to accommodate cows, and so it proved - the place in question was a milk bar.

Lastly, to my ear Canadians don't go oot and aboot, they go oat and aboat.

travel_buzzing Sep 21st, 2007 02:20 AM

British don't say "creek" they say inlet or estuary.
also lake or pond, river or stream/brook

ira Sep 21st, 2007 02:28 AM

>British don't say "creek" they say inlet or estuary.

In the US, a creek is any small stream of fresh water running into a river or estuary.


PatrickLondon Sep 21st, 2007 02:41 AM

Of course we say "creek": it's in a fair number of place names (I live opposite one), and we frequently find ourselves up one without a paddle. However, I will admit we don't, on the whole, use it as a generic term. If it's less than a river, it's usually a stream (or a beck in the north). A creek would be a bit of backwater. It might be an inlet; but it wouldn't be an estuary, let alone a lake or pond.

Incidentally, there's been a lengthy thread on this sort of topic at
http://slowtalk.com/groupee/forums/a...4/m/4101007861

GSteed Sep 21st, 2007 03:51 AM

Great fun! I need to decide if erudition is being flaunted or a limited philology. I attended a sports meeting in England. At one point in the conversation, I asked my London neighbor what the man from the North was saying. He replied, "I don't have the foggiest!". There are many English dialects in use and all are accepted by the users even if not understood by others. Words are pictures. You don't need to know which Lt. to use - Simply note the gold or silver bar on the collar. Incidentally, why is silver rated above gold?

Nikki Sep 21st, 2007 05:21 AM

I suspect the word creek varies from one part of the US to another. I know that locally in Southeastern Massachusetts we call bodies of water ponds that would be called lakes in most places.

On Cape Cod, a vacation house on a body of water would be the cottage on the pond. In New Hampshire, the same property would be the camp on the lake.

PalenqueBob Sep 21st, 2007 05:41 AM

And creek is also pronounced differently in different parts of U.S. - formally creak but in southern climes it's often "crick"

daveesl Sep 21st, 2007 11:26 AM

My wife is from Long Island, I'm from Florida. I don't understand half of what she says...ha ha.

Wanna cupuh kawfee?

dave

j_999_9 Sep 21st, 2007 12:23 PM

flanner and waring have some real inferiority problems.

Lighten, up, as we say in the States. No one criticizied the Brits. The OP just asked about the origin of the pronounciation.

I mean, it's not as if someone questioned your dental hygiene.

PalenqueBob Sep 21st, 2007 12:28 PM

Like English mummies tell their kids: "Brush your tooth!"

PalenqueBob Sep 21st, 2007 12:30 PM

but i think flanner and waring are fine folk - if you really read their many posts - sometimes sarcasm comes across as sincerity.

Their oft feigned bark is worse then their bite.

But hey i often agree with their 'inferior' comments and i'm a yank.

waring Sep 21st, 2007 01:53 PM

I have beautiful teeth.

waring Sep 21st, 2007 01:57 PM

PS: It's a superiority problem we have.

;)

audere_est_facere Sep 22nd, 2007 01:52 AM

They may have a superiority complex but neither of them can say Lieutenant properly I'd wager.

Sue_xx_yy Sep 22nd, 2007 04:22 AM

If folks are into this sort of thing, they might enjoy McCrum, Cran and MacNeil's "The Story of English" - companion volume to the PBS series.

Jewela, thank you for getting me to look up 'press gang' - I had never before heard 'impressed into service' nor known that 'pressed into service' or 'press gang' were colloquial abbreviations.

If Fodors should ever fall short of contributors, should the publisher start impressing people into service? ;)

sheila Sep 22nd, 2007 06:30 AM

I haven't dropped in on this thread for some time but have 2 additions.

1. Suspenders and gareers are not the same thing.

2. Youse guys quite often think that we Brits are having a pop, when we're only taking the mick. This most often applies to David and Michael, but, as on this thread, sometimes does to waring too. Rarely to me. I'm too nice:)

PS, I just ahd an email from an Northern Englander advising that he's leaving my city to go home shortly- the message read "leaving Furryboots on 24th". Can any of you translate THAT?

NeoPatrick Sep 22nd, 2007 06:37 AM

Sheila, forget the Furryboots. I'm still working on "pop" and "mick".


But yes, the British image of a man sitting around in pants and suspenders is a LOT different from sitting around in his trousers and braces. In the US, the two would appear to be the same thing.


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