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elvira Feb 24th, 2000 01:50 PM

John, you made me laugh out loud right here at my work desk. A more practical (and succinct) dictionary has never been published. <BR> <BR>Bless your pea-pickin' heart....

Dru Feb 24th, 2000 03:59 PM

As usual, you guys are TOO funny. John, even I've seen enough British films to know a fag is a cigarette. Soooo, whilst I'm at the pub, I'll queue to get a pint, pick up the bill, over indulge & get p*ssed, and then head for the loo. How am I doing?

dru Feb 24th, 2000 04:01 PM

oops

Sheila Feb 24th, 2000 04:08 PM

See, now you think that's funny, Dru; I just think it's ordinary!! <BR> <BR>just got back from the funny farm (and yes it is 1am our time) <BR> <BR>Folwer's Modern English usage was useless nut my dictionary tells me that a bap is an elliptical Scottish roll (Ety uncertain), so that didn't help <BR> <BR>It also didn't give etymology for hob, but remined me that it's an old word just meaning hot flat surface; like on a stove? <BR> <BR>And yes, John, there are whole Scots Language dictionaries.

julie Feb 24th, 2000 04:43 PM

Don't forget "call box" (telephone booth). Here's a cute one. Years ago in Scotland I saw two little girls trying to make an elevator operational. I got in and said "did you girls figure out what was wrong with the elevator?" One looked at the other and said "what did she say??" Then I remembered "britspeak" and rephrased "Have you lassies sorted out the problem with the lift". The light went on and they answered me politely. It's fun to live and learn. <BR>

julie Feb 24th, 2000 04:49 PM

P.S. Don't forget "quaffing a pint" or "don't get your knickers in a twist" or "shall I give you a knock up in the morning". Translation: "lets have a beer" "don't get all upset" and "shall I knock on your door to wake you" . Now if you really want to have fun with the language, go to Yorkshire and spend some time there. We visited friends their and could hardly understand the children. Apparently they are very proud of their accent, and can turn it on and off at will...they had a great deal of fun with un confounding us with "Yorkshire" speak.

Anna Apr 11th, 2000 04:08 AM

Dear Dru, <BR>You think you may have problems with translation... <BR>1.Can anyone tell me how / what a block is ? When travelling in the US we would envariably ask directions & be told "Oh two blocks back & then do a right". How far is that ? What will I pass on the way ? (Inevaribly it was the person providing the re-direction) ! <BR>2. How is it you can overtake on both inside & outside lanes of a motorway/freeway, How do you know whose winning ? <BR> <BR>I am certain we made many mistakes albeit unknowingly, but we were never made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome. <BR>

Al Apr 11th, 2000 08:33 AM

Lots of problems in the food department. Courgettes (sp.?) for zucchini. Aubergine for eggplant. Joint for roast (noun). Griddlecakes for pancakes. I believe it was Dr. Samuel Johnson who defined oatmeal as something the Scots eat and the English use to feed their horses.

Caitlin Apr 11th, 2000 09:24 AM

For Anna: <BR> <BR>1. A block is the length of street (or sidewalk [pavement to you?]) between one intersection and the next. So if someone says, "two blocks up and make a left," she means, advance two intersections (you're on 1st St., go to 3d St.) and turn left. What is the British term? <BR>2. Yikes, someone gave you wrong (and dangerous) driving info. Passing (passing is American for overtaking) on the right is illegal. When you picture it, remember to turn it around in your head, since we drive on the right :-). <BR> <BR>Another good book for Americans is British English from A to Zed (zed not zee, right?). It coversa idiom as well as vocabulary. Without it, I'd never have figured out "and Bob's your uncle!"

April Apr 11th, 2000 08:59 PM

Don't all Brits Hoover and Vim? Maybe it's been said here somewhere but on the show Coronation St. they say "stopping" for "staying" and "chuffed" for ... "happy"(?). And I think they use the term "punters" but I haven't figured that out yet. Years ago my husband took an English family cobs of corn and they thought he was odd for bringing them cattle fodder.

Anna Apr 12th, 2000 01:22 AM

Dear Caitlin <BR>1. Many thanks for clarifying the position. We normally say " Go to 'The Dukes Head' & turn left, on to 'The Six Bells'on the right & go right, & just passed the 'The Fox Revived' etc. We provide directions via Pubs. <BR>2. Thank you for pointing out the driving requirements. It was just that cars seemed to pass us from all directions. It didn't help that we always appeared to be facing on-coming traffic !!! <BR>

jim Apr 12th, 2000 02:38 AM

Caitlin, <BR> <BR>due to the irregular layout of our towns/cities to use directions such as 'two blocks' would be pointless - you have to say 'second right turn by the Kings Head' (the plethora of pubs are v useful for directions)

Lara Apr 12th, 2000 05:23 AM

What about "flannel" for face cloth or wash cloth?

Anna Apr 12th, 2000 06:56 AM

Dear Lara <BR>Flannel can also be used in a more cockney term to indicate that someone is making up a story ie "What a load of flannel" or alternatively "Are you telling pork pies" (Lies). It just depends what part of the UK your from !

Caitlin Apr 12th, 2000 07:56 AM

Anna, <BR> <BR>Just to clarify about driving: If you're on a multi-lane highway/freeway/turnpike. etc. (what they're called usually depends on what part of the country you're in), that is, two or more lanes in each direction, you may chnage lanes at will, safety permitting. So if you were in a middle lane, people would shift ahead of you to move toward an exit, to move to a faster lane (the further left you go, the faster the traffic; the "fast lane" is the farthest left one), or simply to get into the least crowded lane. Lane changing is frequent and common, and you might have got an extra dose if you were driving on the slow side because you weren't used to right-side driving. 5-10 mph above the posted speed limit is standard, and will rarelyt get you a speeding ticket. On two lane streets and highways, the no-passing-on-the-right laws are pretty universal; sometimes a passing lane (on the left) will crop up occasionally on a two-lane highway. Traffic regulations, such as right turn on red, the rights of pedestrians, and speed limits, are made at the state, not federal, level, and so vary from place to place. Quite confusing for foreign visitors!

Anna Apr 13th, 2000 02:22 AM

Dear Caitlin, <BR>Thank you so much for your advise. I think what threw us was the different names given for a motorway/dual carriageway ie turnpike/freeway etc. <BR>We stayed at a villa in Florida for a week on our first visit & our neighbours were from all over the US, hense the different names used. It took us 2 hours to leave the airport & we passed through the same toll both at least 3 times, the sign above stated "adopt a highway " or similar, adopt one .. I think we bought it. The toll collector asked if we were filming something for 'Monty Python '. oh! oh ! We only had a small amount of coins the rest being travellers cheques & I envisaged using them all to get away from the airport. What a nightmare. <BR>My sister & I left Florida & drove up to Williamsburg Virginia & really it was a breeze highly enjoyable & fun stopping off when the mood took us. <BR>I don't think we drove too slowly as my sister kept up with the traffic albeit we stayed in the inside lane ( or at least what we perceived to be the inside lane) for the most part. It was just we could have done with a compass as every sign indicated either East / West etc. Although on occasions we unknowingly took the wrong road, it didn't seem to matter a jot, as we met some of the nicest people who went out of their way to redirect us. We had a great time & are currently planning our next US adventure. Be Scared...Be Very Scared... <BR>

Nigel Doran Apr 13th, 2000 02:31 AM

This is a really interesting thread. <BR> <BR>In the north west of England, around the Manchester area, there are some wonderful words and phrases that have the power to make me almost choke at the power of language to communicate ideas effectively, as well as to entertain. <BR>My very favourite is 'Ann Twacky', as in ' Eee, Beulah, look (pron. 'lewk') at that sideboard. It's proper Ann Twacky.' It means 'old-fashioned' and as far as I know, it is a corruption of the word 'antique', the 'Twacky' possibly being a misreading of the 'tique' bit of the word. <BR>My family has loads of expressions like that. When I went to university, my friends and I would often talk about local words and how they differed. My friend Sarah still maintains I am lying when I say we called bleach 'lanry' and a swelling in the eye a 'powk' (instead of a stye.) <BR> <BR>Any more for any more? (Another peculiarly northern English <BR>phrase there.) <BR> <BR>Si' thee. (Goodbye.)

Samantha Apr 13th, 2000 09:12 AM

Wonderful, interesting and FUNNY thread - so much better than the numerous backbiting, snotty posts going on at the U.S. forum lately. I've never been to Europe, but am enjoying reading these very much. Are there any words/phrases that are unique to Scotland, Ireland or Wales?

Diane Apr 13th, 2000 09:31 AM

The first time I went to London, I was trying to leave the airport building and looked everywhere for an "exit" sign---not one in sight. finally I saw a sign "Way Out" with an arrow pointing the way! I loved that one. But now I think the "Exit" signs have taken over.

Caitlin Apr 13th, 2000 09:31 AM

Anna, <BR> <BR>I myself am sometimes confused by the road terminology (highway/turnpike/freeway, etc.). I can tell you that you will find turnpikes only in the east, and that freeway is a western US term, so coined to differentiate from the toll roads common in the east (i.e., freeways are free). Highway is used to cover just about everything (except turnpikes, for some reason); cf interstate highway system, which roads are referred to as, e.g., US 101 or I-5. <BR> <BR>BTW, Adopt-a-Highway is a program where organizations (or individuals) "adopt" a stretch of roadway and are then in theory responsible for keeping it free of litter. You may have noticed the signs that crop up every few miles on some roads saying who "owns" that stretch of road, usually an organization, but occasionally a celebrity name will pop up. (Though I don't see them going out and picking up trash [rubbish!] from the side of the road...) <BR> <BR>Now a question for you: OK, I undestand "Bob's yopur uncle!" but does anyone use this expression in "real" life?


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