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Originally Posted by travelingmom72
(Post 17502293)
Yes, this has been a nightmare and there is no consumer protection on these NON REFUNDABLE rooms, even when booked by mistake.
This is a matter of common decency that you may get help from, from a prominent travel blogger, or a prominent consumer advocate who reports on injustices in getting people refunds. Or, no joke, you should contact a legislator - - either someone local to you like a congressman - - or in the area of the hotel - - research which legislators tend to be prominent consumer advocates. This is definitely an abuse of any rational principle underlying non-refundable bookings - - it may meet the letter of the law, but there are times when some form of reclamation is reasonable and deserved. Please do contact the right people in this regard, and try different options. The reason you have heard such unanimous blowback here is that blaming Booking.com is barking up the wrong tree. They should not be liable for the $9200 any more than you reasonably should. Please don't denigrate Booking.com for being in the position they are in, but please do pursue legitimate consumer advocates who can publicize and lobby on your behalf, so that the hotel, which is making money hand over fist in an unscrupulous way, that is essentially unjust, will relent. |
The hotel is in LONDON - you really think a US legislator has sway?? Now - Christopher Elliot might be able to help.
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Originally Posted by janisj
(Post 17502571)
The hotel is in LONDON - you really think a US legislator has sway?? Now - Christopher Elliot might be able to help.
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Originally Posted by janisj
(Post 17502571)
The hotel is in LONDON - you really think a US legislator has sway??
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Actually the state of Texas has a large class action lawsuit against Booking.com for deceptive practices. If you operate in the US as a website you must follow US laws. The State of CA is enacting a 24 hour cancellation window as well
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Originally Posted by travelingmom72
(Post 17502589)
Actually the state of Texas has a large class action lawsuit against Booking.com for deceptive practices. If you operate in the US as a website you must follow US laws. The State of CA is enacting a 24 hour cancellation window as well
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never mind -- falling on deaf ears
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Originally Posted by janisj
(Post 17502594)
Probably none of which has anything to do with a contract with a London hotel. (I notice you have a total of seven posts on Fodors and every one of them is about booking.com -- seems a bit of an obsession?? )
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I would stay away from them. I just respond them for one of their offers that come on my mailbox. I just read another complain about being charged in Dolars.as happened
to us when the invoice was stipulated to be paid in local currencies. |
got any statistics on this? How many bookings world wide, how many complaints etc? I've always found them incredibly helpful and sensible. Did you talk to the hotel about this in a positive way?
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Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17504740)
I would stay away from them. I just respond them for one of their offers that come on my mailbox. I just read another complain about being charged in Dolars.as happened
to us when the invoice was stipulated to be paid in local currencies. Did you by any chance opt for dynamic currency conversion when paying at the hotel? It is not illegal . . . it is the responsibility of the customer to understand the choices offered when using a credit card whether in a restaurant, at a hotel, or in a store. |
Originally Posted by janisj
(Post 17504923)
Did you by any chance opt for dynamic currency conversion when paying at the hotel? . . . it is the responsibility of the customer to understand the choices offered when using a credit card
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They do make mistakes, or their client hotels do. I have a confirmation from this past summer, when I first made the reservations, which stipulated "cash only". For some reason I looked at the web site and "credit card only" was stipulated. Booking did have my credit card information and billed me for another stay when I did not pay within five days of occupancy; no problem, I did not have to worry about paying. But it turned out that the second booking--cash or credit card?-- was another kettle of fish. If the cash option was valid a few months before, logic tells me that there is a clerk to take the cash. If not, Booking would pay using my credit card information. Neither turned out to be true, and for a moment it appeared we were at the doorstep of our hotel without a reservation because we had not paid in advance.
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Probably worth reading this if you have not experienced Booking.com
https://lesboutiquehotels.com/booking-com-reviews One year I used Booking and Hotels over 14 nights, staying each night in a different hotel. Hotels was not as good. On the other hand https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.booking.com |
Originally Posted by bilboburgler
(Post 17505098)
Probably worth reading this if you have not experienced Booking.com https://lesboutiquehotels.com/booking-com-reviews
My favorite so far is this one: Booking.com gets a 1* review solely because their listing of a hotel indicates that the room has a safe, but does not specify in all instances when the word 'safe' appears on the page that there is a charge for using the safe (in other words, the complainant did not read the page fully where they list conditions, and is slamming Booking.com for that): "In a hotel I recently visited, using the safe cost extra. I complained to Booking, who then told me that this is what it says on the hotel's page [where they detail conditions] and that it is not listed in the room description [where they list 'safe' as one of the room amenities]. The whole thing was described in an extremely friendly manner with the statement: “We advise you to read the small print carefully next time.” It's always great when you have to refer to the small print because you don't want to just put an asterisk next to the word "safe" in the room description. If customer service writes to you with: "We advise you to read the small print carefully next time", then the customer is definitely not the focus of the company..." |
Since I live with an avid small detail reader I find the idea of not reading the small print a little odd. Booking do what they say on the can, they let you make bookings. I would not lodge a card in it especially after the data loss they had more than 5years ago. Would I use any other service, well yes but only in unique zones. For instance, there is a dutch b&b service I use in the low countries, a weird french small hotel service in France and a farm stay portal in Italy, but otherwise Booking is pretty good, while there will always be people who cannot make good decisions who moan and complain trying to blame others for their own errors.
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One thing I've noticed is people make assumptions. They assume things are the same everywhere. That leads to them skimming over things.
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Nick +1
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Just got an email. from Booking.com for a reservation I planned for next week. Your credit card will be debited for the amount of.......
But why I asked. I relay on the info you provided as I booked this hotel: The credit card info is used to reserve the stay. The payment will be done at hotel in local currencies. Why you want to charge my card. I am original from that country, and I have a vast amount of the local money from my pension. I took you at your word. I want to pay as I was informed in local currencies. Why change the rules halfway. |
Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506597)
Just got an email. from Booking.com for a reservation I planned for next week. Your credit card will be debited for the amount of.......
But why I asked. I relay on the info you provided as I booked this hotel: The credit card info is used to reserve the stay. The payment will be done at hotel in local currencies. Why you want to charge my card. I am original from that country, and I have a vast amount of the local money from my pension. I took you at your word. I want to pay as I was informed in local currencies. Why change the rules halfway. |
Plain stupidity, old age and luck of commitment.
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Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506597)
Just got an email. from Booking.com for a reservation I planned for next week. Your credit card will be debited for the amount of.......
But why I asked. I relay on the info you provided as I booked this hotel: The credit card info is used to reserve the stay. The payment will be done at hotel in local currencies. Why you want to charge my card. I am original from that country, and I have a vast amount of the local money from my pension. I took you at your word. I want to pay as I was informed in local currencies. Why change the rules halfway. |
Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506626)
Plain stupidity, old age and luck of commitment.
So, solution: book directly and deal directly with whatever accommodation you want to use. |
No sir, not in my case. The deadline to cancel booking was till the day before my first night stay. This will be next Saturday.
Let's close this tread. To many opinions and for the sake of not losing my sanity please. |
You are the one who added to it!
So, don't blame me and Janis for responding to it and for you, again, not understanding how booking agencies work. But yes, please, mods, stop this "insanity!" |
Sorry about it. I don't understand what part of "pay at the property in local currencies" is so hard to comprehend.
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Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506644)
Sorry about it. I don't understand what part of "pay at the property in local currencies" is so hard to comprehend.
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Ok, wait a minute, was your post back on Oct 8th for this upcoming reservation for this coming weekend?!
Why don't you do this: if you still have until Friday to cancel your Booking reservation (that is, IF I understand your posts) - contact the hotel and see if you can coordinate WITH THE HOTEL your reservation. They already have your info BUT, they may ask for a credit card to hold that reservation (and may charge it in advance, by the way as a deposit).. THEN, cancel your Booking reservation. Why you didnt do this bacK on Oct 8th when your supposed issue started, I will never know. However, if i misread your post and you do not have time to cancel with Booking, then disregard. In the future, just book directly with whatever lodging you choose. Do not use Booking, Hotels.com, Kayak, etc. for your bookings and these issues you have will not occur (unless of course, the Hotel does something similar). Make it easier for yourself. I personally find Booking to be easy and simple, but, I'm not trying to learn the travel by internet in my 70s... |
tommy the turtle, if anyone remembers that thread
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Can we retire this thread? It's going around in circles.
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Originally Posted by bilboburgler
(Post 17506815)
tommy the turtle, if anyone remembers that thread
https://www.fodors.com/community/eur...update-958227/ |
Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506597)
Just got an email. from Booking.com for a reservation I planned for next week. Your credit card will be debited for the amount of.......
But why I asked. I relay on the info you provided as I booked this hotel: The credit card info is used to reserve the stay. The payment will be done at hotel in local currencies. Why you want to charge my card. I am original from that country, and I have a vast amount of the local money from my pension. I took you at your word. I want to pay as I was informed in local currencies. Why change the rules halfway. |
Originally Posted by bucurilie3603
(Post 17506644)
Sorry about it. I don't understand what part of "pay at the property in local currencies" is so hard to comprehend.
I assumed that Booking.com would charge me automatically for the "apartment" X days before occupancy as with my first rental on this trip; WRONG. In this instance I was to pay the local rental agency directly, which was not stated in the confirmation sheet. Added complication: I do not have a smart phone which was necessary to make the payment. |
Michael - why would you need a smart phone to make the payment? I never pay for anything by phone.
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Originally Posted by Melnq8
(Post 17522611)
Michael - why would you need a smart phone to make the payment? I never pay for anything by phone.
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Originally Posted by Michael
(Post 17522594)
I assumed that Booking.com would charge me automatically for the "apartment" X days before occupancy as with my first rental on this trip; WRONG. In this instance I was to pay the local rental agency directly, which was not stated in the confirmation sheet. But whatever the payment terms they should have been on the initial booking. If you go to the booking and click on "what's included for this price" it'll show payment methods accepted. No idea why this isn't more prominent on the booking. It used to be. You now need to click to a couple of different pages. |
Originally Posted by Melnq8
(Post 17522611)
Michael - why would you need a smart phone to make the payment? I never pay for anything by phone.
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Originally Posted by Michael
(Post 17522657)
Because that would be the closest thing that I have to a computer when I travel abroad.
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Michael -
I'm still confused - when I make a reservation on Booking.com or another platform that requires advance payment, I'll provide my credit card details when I book, knowing they'll take the payment at a specified date before the stay. Or, I'll pay the deposit, knowing I'll have to pay the balance with a credit card when I arrive. Or, I'll provide credit card details to hold the booking and pay with cash upon arrival (I've booked several places in Europe that prefer cash payment). In the case you cited with having to pay the rental agency, would that not have been accomplished by handing the agency your credit card? I know from personal experience that a smart phone is almost essential when using Air BNB, as they often send you the check in details via the phone app (which also goes to your email) a day or two before your arrival, and I'm invaribly on the road by then. But the payment has already been set up through the app, so no payment is made via phone. I was a hold out for a very long time, but my life got a whole lot easier when I finally broke down and got a smart phone. Now, if we're talking about not having a credit card, that's a whole different animal. My 87 year old mom doesn't have one (or a debit card), which baffles everyone. |
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