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waring Oct 19th, 2006 10:01 AM

When did I mention students? Not me, not once.

My friend is a retired lawyer in his sixties. He has other aquaintances in the same situation, none of which are students, none of which work.

Why are we hooked on the three months issue?

This conversation has all the intellectual vigour of a tupperware party in Stepford.

My question was what is this law on immigration implemented by Sarkozy?
Response: There is no law
Response: Sarkozy cannot implement laws
Then we start wobbling on about students.

The Sarkozy Law does exist:LOI n° 2006-911 du 24 juillet 2006 relative à l'immigration et à l'intégration (1)

Which is the answer to my question.

To really open up a can of worms, we are on St Barthelemy, part of the department of Guadeloupe. St Barts is in the process of becoming a COM, basically splitting from Guadeloupe and the island will have control over immigration.

My friend has been renewing his Carte de Séjour anually for five years, with or without a récipissé, which is not the issue. Now he is being presented with a "document" meaning he has to present himself at the sous-prefecture every 90 days, which is unusual and a FACT.

We want to know if this is because of the island, Guadeloupe or Paris, and the Sarkozy law is an interesting twist.

norween Oct 19th, 2006 10:07 AM

And i'm still waiting about where the 3 month are mentionned in the law addenda from july 2006

waring Oct 19th, 2006 10:25 AM

I didn't do that grumpy face on purpose. : L without the space. Neat :)

We are still stuck on the 3 months aren't we? When did I say it did? Not me, never, not once.
I said my friend had to present himself at the prefecture every 3 months, and never that the Sarkozy law was behind it.

On a cursory reading it doesn't, which is neither here nor there, and totally irrelevant to my original question.

This leads us to believe that is possibly not the Sarkozy Law that is causing my friend hassle.

Therefore we look elsewhere. There are articles pertaining specifically to Guadeloupe which may be relevant, however, as you point out, this is an addendum, and I don't have the full text of the law.


norween Oct 19th, 2006 10:46 AM

In fact, i suppose there are several facts to consider: Saint Barthelemy has a very specific situation :
The island will change status in 2007 (getting a status closer from a country than from a french departement), is a fiscal exception for France (some rules are even different from those applying for Guadeloupe mainland, for instance : no taxes in Saint Barthelemy).
There is a huge boat people problem for a tiny island too (with Haiti) combined with an illegal imigration difficult to control for the local authorities...




waring Oct 19th, 2006 11:03 AM

Phew! I'm glad we got that cleared up.

There is little illegal immigration. Being such a small place, if someone has no work permit, is sleeping rough etc, the PAF get to find out about it pretty quickly. The Inspection du Travail takes no prisoners either.

On the other hand Guadeloupe and St Martin have huge problems.

Tax free? No great shakes if you are paying 25 euros for a kilo of tomatoes..

Concerns are non-resident Americans (and others), claiming to be resident, gaining tax free revenue from renting property. Under the new system St Barts will be allowed to raise its own taxes. It is my hunch that this is what's behind my friend's situation.

norween Oct 19th, 2006 11:10 AM

This seems likely to me too !

mpprh Oct 20th, 2006 01:38 AM

Just a couple of points :

My carte de sejour is for 10 years

I had a covering document for the 8 months it took to be issued

It is issued by the local Departement, and they are notorious for interpreting requirements differently

I am not aware of any changes for long term residents (but I don't need to renew for some time)

Peter






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