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yeadonite Oct 5th, 2009 11:13 AM

Airfare to Europe Paris on Thanksgiving early December Very High!
 
I was thinking of going to Paris on Thanksgiving or right after but the fares are really high. Any thoughts? Leaving from NYC

surfmom Oct 5th, 2009 11:15 AM

Are you flexible with regards to dates ?

I just checked US Airways and found this:

$663 (+ taxes)
JFK - CDG dep. Sat, 11/21, return Fri, 11/27 or Sat, 11/28

janisj Oct 5th, 2009 11:21 AM

"<i> . . the fares are really high.</i>"

What sorts of fares are you finding?

Suzanne2 Oct 5th, 2009 11:25 AM

I'm going in a few days. I must say I paid $200.00 more for this flight than I did for similar flight in March. It seems like there are fewer flights which is keeping prices up.

Christina Oct 5th, 2009 11:30 AM

that's what I was wondering, maybe you just think a good fare is really high, as that isn't an expensive time of year to go to Europe by air. You should be able to get a fare $600-700, and that might include Air France nonstop. Those are not real high fares to Europe, that would be around $1200-1500. They might be cheaper in late January or Februrary (I mean to go then).

Michel_Paris Oct 5th, 2009 11:32 AM

Perhaps a flight to London then TGV, Open Jaw?

Suzanne2 Oct 5th, 2009 11:40 AM

We are going to London first and flying home from Paris. I booked with Air Canada and the best fare I could find was $820.00. We are on the west coast, however. I have been spoiled getting non stop flights with AF for around $600 for the past few years.

yeadonite Oct 5th, 2009 11:42 AM

All in it was about 739 which I thought was high. Thanks for the reality check.

Michel_Paris Oct 5th, 2009 11:43 AM

KLM to Amsterdam then TGV?

Mara Oct 5th, 2009 12:27 PM

I also think the fares from JFK to CDG are high now. I am looking at the week after Thanksgiving as well and American Airlines has a price of $719 - the only cheaper fares have stops. Icelandic is a bit cheaper but I really want to take advantage of the double miles special AA has for flying from the NY area....

The last time I went to Paris was about the same time of year in 2006 and I paid under $500 on AA.

Also according to the seating chart, both flights I am looking at are basically empty. And the price has gone up from around $650 a couple of weeks ago....

So if you folks think this is good I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and buy it... ):

Suzanne2 Oct 5th, 2009 12:38 PM

What gets me is the fees and taxes are nearly the same as the fare.

Dukey Oct 5th, 2009 12:43 PM

I can more or less understand your "pain" but can you hopnestly tell me any other form of transportation to ANYWHERE which is as cheap as it was <B>in 2006</B>??????

yeadonite Oct 5th, 2009 01:00 PM

Mara - I wish I had book a couple of weeks ago!!!

Mara Oct 5th, 2009 01:08 PM

I guess you're right, Dukey....but this is over 40% more.

yeadonite - I know exactly what you mean - I just couldn't believe that the fare went up....and I still don't feel ready to buy yet - btw, if you are looking at American the price and schedule - enhanced choice shows which days around the one you want may be cheaper - that's how I found out leaving on a Sunday would save me $20 - hey, every little bit helps!

yeadonite Oct 6th, 2009 07:58 AM

I figured leaving on Thanksgiving day would mean a cheaper and empty plane. I guess I dream!

Mara Oct 6th, 2009 04:53 PM

yeadonite, I see on your other thread that you're looking for an apartment - did you buy your ticket?

yeadonite Oct 6th, 2009 05:21 PM

no I am trying to do both at once. What about you?

MademoiselleFifi Oct 6th, 2009 05:23 PM

When I checked much earlier this year, November fares were high. In fact, they were much higher than many late-May/early-June fares this year. I paid $365 to Rome in May, but whenever I searched for November to Paris this year, it was close to $800, so I booked with miles instead.

MademoiselleFifi Oct 6th, 2009 05:37 PM

Last November was around $800 too. Before that, I thought $500 was high.

Mara Oct 6th, 2009 06:13 PM

I'll probably book in a day or two - I'm afraid it will keep going up.....then I'll book my apartment - I already have one in mind and others as a back-up...maybe we can have a mini gtg in Paris. :)

Thanks for the info, Mlle. Fifi - that was a great price for Rome assuming you came from the US ;-)

Seamus Oct 6th, 2009 08:18 PM

There was an article in the WSJ today indicating that air fares have stopped dropping, are stable or even slightly increased. Just did a quick look at Continental out of EWR and it is $719 all in. Iceland Air is about $100 cheaper if you are willing to connect.
Have you looked at http://matrix.itasoftware.com?

yeadonite Oct 7th, 2009 02:29 AM

Mara which apartment services do you think are best I need a 2 bedroom or 2 sleeping area. If you want to tell me after you book that is ok.

http://www.parisvacationapartments.com/prop-vosges.html

travelgourmet Oct 7th, 2009 03:05 AM

<i>There was an article in the WSJ today indicating that air fares have stopped dropping, are stable or even slightly increased.</i>

Funny. I saw an article just the other day talking about how yields (the average price paid) were continuing to drop and that Continental (the only carrier to report monthly yield estimates) was anticipating its largest year-over-year drop for September. If prices have bottomed out, I suspect it is because they are as low as they can go.

I would count on continued good deals through at least next spring.

Mara Oct 7th, 2009 06:04 AM

yeadonite, I've just rented studios - I answered on your other thread about apartments - I put the $719 fare on hold with AA - will probably buy it tonite as they don't seem to be going down and the closer they get to the departure date they are going up.....

kerouac Oct 7th, 2009 06:56 AM

Have you checked Air India from New York to Paris?

pavot Oct 7th, 2009 07:11 AM

I'm waiting for some cheaper fares, too: this is supposed to be the winter I get to take a madcap, low-cost trip to Paris.

All the planets are aligned: my workload is light enough to go, my husband's schedule will allow him to take off the time, we have grandma ready to stay with our son ... I need those classic cheap-o winter fares.

And so far, I'm seeing $700-ish. For February.

Ackislander Oct 7th, 2009 07:29 AM

Fewer planes, smaller planes, fewer seats, higher prices.

Continental is using 757's (horror show) to Europe, which must be about half the size of a 747.

Nancy Mitford's Uncle Matthew used to say, "Abroad is bloody." I say "Getting abroad is bloody."

NanBug Oct 7th, 2009 07:35 AM

I'm also ready to pounce on tickets for a January trip, but I'm holding out in hopes of a fare cut. Maybe it won't happen, who knows?

Prices dipped a bit in mid-September, but haven't budged since then.

The flights I'm looking at are only about 10% full right now, so I'm praying to the airline gods that a winter sale is planned for October or November. If not, I'll just bite the bullet and spend the dough.

MademoiselleFifi Oct 7th, 2009 03:58 PM

Nanbug, how do you find out how full they are?

Mara Oct 7th, 2009 04:04 PM

MlleFifi - if you go through the booking process on American Airlines website - you can see a chart with the available seats. The flights I am looking at from JFK to CDG in early December are also quite empty......

NanBug Oct 7th, 2009 04:10 PM

Mara is correct -- you can see the seating charts on the airline's web site when you start the booking process to see the fares.

It's hard to believe that they won't start sales soon with all of these mostly empty planes. But what do I know?

Oh, to have a crystal ball...

P_M Oct 7th, 2009 04:31 PM

In 2007 I flew to Paris the day after Thanksgiving and the plane was not even half full. They told me that is usually a slow day, so maybe fares are lower.

P_M Oct 7th, 2009 04:32 PM

PS I flew on an award ticket so I don't know what the fare would have been.

Mara Oct 7th, 2009 04:54 PM

NanBug - I know exactly what you are saying - since I've been watching the AA fare from JFK to CDG it has gone from $663 to $719 - I've already put it on a 24 hour hold twice and punked out....I think I'll wait til the weekend. If it goes up again I will be really p---ed....

MademoiselleFifi Oct 7th, 2009 04:59 PM

Mara and Nanbug,

Are you sure the unassigned seats on the chart are all unsold spaces? Don't people often pick seats long after buying tickets? I didn't get to choose KLM (code-share) seats until several weeks after booking with Delta, for example.

Once I kept putting off booking an AF flight because it looked like there were many seats left, but then the next time I searched there were no tickets available.

P_M Oct 7th, 2009 05:10 PM

I've read many times on this board that you should never trust a seating chart to determine how full the flight is and I completely agree. I've looked at seating charts where the flight appeared to be empty the day before my flight, so imagine my surprise to find a full plane.

Mara Oct 7th, 2009 05:19 PM

I'm not sure - however, when I went to Barcelona the end of January - the seating chart showed the flight very empty and it was - I think each passenger has a set of three seats to him/herself.....

On AA when you book online, the system automatically assigns you a seat which you can change if you want....

Another time I went to Japan and the plane seating chart indicated quite a number of empty seats but then it was pretty full. There seemed to be a really big group traveling so maybe they were last minute...?

Mara Oct 7th, 2009 07:07 PM

Just to report - I bought my ticket on AA - JFK -> CDG at the high price of $719. ;-)

After tracking other dates for the past two weeks, the prices just seem to be going up so I figured I'd buy it before it got even higher.

Good luck to everyone else looking for cheaper fares! :)

MademoiselleFifi Oct 7th, 2009 08:24 PM

Well Mara, even if it does drop a bit later, sometimes it just feels better to have it over and done with so you can plan the rest of your trip instead of stressing about it every day for weeks or months!

travelgourmet Oct 7th, 2009 10:28 PM

<i>I've looked at seating charts where the flight appeared to be empty the day before my flight, so imagine my surprise to find a full plane.</i>

<i>There seemed to be a really big group traveling so maybe they were last minute...?</i>

The seating charts tell you pretty much nothing.

There are many people that simply don't pre-assign people, especially large groups (as in the Japan example). Also, in my experience, Europeans are MUCH less likely to pre-assign their seats. Not sure if it is habit or the fact that more book through agents and packages or whatever, but this is consistently the case. I've been on planes that showed half full the day before the flight that were oversold in coach.


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