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PatrickLondon Jul 5th, 2006 12:25 AM

Afternoon tea: a British view
 
Note the tone of surprise (i.e., posh afternoon tea isn't really one of our regular habits):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/britain/ar...812864,00.html

and how to make it yourself:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1812757,00.html

MissPrism Jul 5th, 2006 01:17 AM

Please, Americans, if you want to make tea, read the bit where they tell you how to do it. I would add the basic rule "take the pot to the kettle and not the kettle to the pot"
I remember somebody on this forum saying that she could easily make tea because she had constant hot running water :-)
I assume that she didn't have constant boiling water

Neil_Oz Jul 5th, 2006 01:29 AM

As a great fan of Starbucks I was distressed to come upon these words: "...the Americans have successfully McDonald-ised and infantilised coffee. It is not really coffee any more. It is globally franchised cod-bohemianism in the form of hot, coffee-flavoured milkshake, fed to us in obscene measures in cartons meant for fizzy drinks."

How bloody cruel.

caroline_edinburgh Jul 5th, 2006 01:35 AM

Good grief, Patrick ! Thanks for sharing that with us.

Afternoon tea at "11.30am, 1.30pm, 3.30pm, 5.30pm... 7.30pm" !?!

The 'how to' instructions are a bit misleading : "fill the pot up" only works if you're using exactly the right size pot for the number of cups required - but I supposed that's taken as given ? :-)

Don't you love Hoppy ?

caroline_edinburgh Jul 5th, 2006 01:36 AM

I loved that "hot, coffee-flavoured milkshake" :-)

PatrickLondon Jul 5th, 2006 01:52 AM

>"fill the pot up" only works if you're using exactly the right size pot for the number of cups required<

In my house, the number of cups required (and drunk) is a function of the size of the pot (and any supplementary topping up with hot water) rather than the other way around!

Preternat Jul 5th, 2006 02:11 AM

I don't see any reason for the Guardian to get all uppity about coffee, or Starbucks for that matter: I can understand Italians or Viennese bemoaning the march of the coffee-shop multinationals. But Britain?? This was the land of Nescafe and (gag) Mellow Birds until all of twenty five minutes ago.

PatrickLondon Jul 5th, 2006 02:33 AM

Ah, but it was BRITISH rubbish, Preternat. And you are rather thinking of fifty years ago, rather than twenty-five minutes.

BTilke Jul 5th, 2006 02:41 AM

Patrick, you can still get plenty of rubbish coffee in the UK, I've been served it often enough in the last two years; I prefer going to a Costa Coffee if I'm not at a place where I know the coffee is decent. At least at Costa, I know what I'll be getting. Preternat is right, the Guardian writer was in a snit for no good reason. Except, of course, to preserve street cred with his mates by making the de rigeur snide comment about Starbucks/Americans/McDonalds.

Also, MissPrism, some homes DO have separate instant hot water taps that can deliver boiling water, or near to, on demand.

Preternat Jul 5th, 2006 02:54 AM

One of the reasons I prefer Starbucks over over chains is that they seem to be the only one that actually do a proper cup of filter coffee. All the others just add hot water to a shot of espresso and call it an "Americano" - watery and bitter and most unsatisfying! Favourite London coffee shop: Monmouth Coffee Company on Monmouth St.

AllyPally Jul 5th, 2006 02:57 AM

Thanks for that Patrick - I had a really good chuckle! Just yesterday I was mooching around Liberty on my lunchbreak and noticed that their tea-room, all dark and cosy, was almost empty. Perused the menu - full tea is about £16. Ok, it's not the Ritz or Claridges but I'm sure they do a nice scone. Although I am Canadian, living in London, I was brought up in a strict British tea-drinking family. So the rituals are still very well known to me but I STILL refuse to make anyone tea in the office here. How easy it is to mess up a cup of tea! And every Brit has their own way of taking it. I've been educated in the ways of everything from "gnat's piss" to "builder's tea" - I end up with shaking hand at the thought of someone hating the tea I've just made for them. So much harder to make a good cup of tea than a good cup of coffee. Forget it. Even tho my parents (Welsh) have been drinking teabag tea for years, they still leave a little bit of liquid at the bottom of the cup. When I was about 17, I asked why they did this. The answer was because in the old days of loose tea leaves, you would inevitably end up with some at the bottom of your cup - you wouldn't want your last gulp to be full of leaves! And my dad once told me - over a cream tea, of course - that the last bit of scone was always the best because you probably overcompensated on the cream and jam so you would have lots for the last bite!

caroline_edinburgh Jul 5th, 2006 03:06 AM

Patrick, I know what you mean. But the instructions described putting in one spoonful of tea pp etc - but then just said fill the pot with water ! So if you had a massive pot but only wanted 2 cups of tea - you'd carefully measure the tea - and then just fill the pot with water !

BTW I've always understood it should be 1 tsp pp + 1 for the pot, not dsp. Obviously depends on personal taste & the strength of the tea you're using, anyway - likewise how long you leave it to brew for.

MissPrism Jul 5th, 2006 03:34 AM

Also, MissPrism, some homes DO have separate instant hot water taps that can deliver boiling water, or near to, on demand.

"Or near to" is the word.
To make a decent cuppa, you boil the water in a kettle and get a good rolling boil.

PatrickLondon Jul 5th, 2006 03:35 AM

Ah yes, Caroline, I should have read the article more thoroughly. As a devotee of trot-a-mouse/builder's tea myself, I would have to agree on that point.

Does anyone else remember "strangers" in the tea-leaves, and working out when one would come to call? And "reading the cup" (I can't help thinking the Ritz might be missing a trick by not employing a mysterious old lady to come round and tell their customer's fortunes)?

MissPrism Jul 5th, 2006 03:38 AM

When I was in my green and salad days, I sat for hours with my friends in coffee bars. They were very big in the 50s.
I can still remember the hissing of the machine.
I seem to remember that they always served cappucino although I suppose that you could get espresso if you wanted it.

Also, don't forget that we English and coffee go back centuries.
Lloyds of london started as a coffee house.

MissPrism Jul 5th, 2006 03:42 AM

(I can't help thinking the Ritz might be missing a trick by not employing a mysterious old lady to come round and tell their customer's fortunes)?

Now that is an idea!
I actually have an antique fortune-telling teacup with little pictures of playing cards. I suppose that you read your fortune by where the leaves settled.
Unfortunately, I haven't got the key to it.

Josser Jul 5th, 2006 03:51 AM

I must be one of the few people in the world never to have entered a Starbucks not even for a "Starbucks Slash".
I have sometimes had a "McPiddle" though.

Sue_xx_yy Jul 5th, 2006 03:54 AM

In light of all these don't-the-barbarians know-about-boiling-water remarks, Americans might respond that the Boston tea party certainly came about as the result of something boiling.

:)

alanRow Jul 5th, 2006 03:59 AM

<< Americans might respond that the Boston tea party certainly came about as the result of something boiling. >>

More to do with a bunch of crooks upset at losing their smuggling trade

laverendrye Jul 5th, 2006 04:30 AM

<<More to do with a bunch of crooks upset at losing their smuggling trade>>

Indeed! As Niall Ferguson has noted, this was one of the rare instances of rioting over the government actually lowering taxes.


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