A very important question regarding pronunciation
 

Mr. H. and I were recently arguing ( discussing ;) ) the proper pronunciation of pastie. Especially for those from Cornwall, please let me know the correct way to pronounce it. Googling, I come up with two possibilities. Really?

Are you talking about the strip show pronunciation?

(Never been to Cornwall.)

If you mean as in Cornish pasties (proper spelling singular is pasty, not pastie) it's pronounced passtee. Disclaimer: I'm not from Cornwall but lived in UK.

usually spelt pasty

always rhymes with nasty

Thanks.I did realize I was referring to the plural form but really makes little difference. I had assumed you just added an 's' for sound and ' ies' in spelling the plural. So you have nasty pasties.

Sofarsogood, your argument is flawed. As an Australian, i would pronounce nasty as narsty. But I would pronounce pastie as pastee.

It doesn't rhyme with nasty where I come from. Nasty has an ah sound, pasty has a short a, certainly in the SE of England. Some people keep to that ah sound and turn it into pahstee, just as they say plahstic, but the vast majority say pasty.

Never a long pay-stee pronunciation. That is something else entirely.

I was always brought up to use the same shortish vowel as in "hat". Lengthening it to an "ah" sound seems a bit la-di-da to me. Though to be fair, in YouTube videos there's a spectrum of vowel sounds

https://youtu.be/KwFUOsA5MEo

https://youtu.be/Q26uIXh6vkU

https://youtu.be/lU64WSjq0Ro

I only recently heard of the stripshow version but I'm assuming strippers use a paste-y. It would be a real novelty act that used the Cornish version instead.

there are two pronunciations for "nasty" in the UK so recommending it as a solution is very funny :-)

Paasty not Parsty

This website isn't always correct, but seems to support hetismij2's pronunciation of nasty and pasty: http://howjsay.com

how about calling someone a "pasty-faced pasty muncher"

you'll be arguing over the pronunciation of scone and grass!

or even "a pasty-faced nasty pasty muncher"

someone who is a bit of a hard nut, doesn't see the sun a lot, and shops at Greggs

I would think the above will likely be lost in translation...

ok. i think that I'm as well qualified as any here to give my opinion.

I agree that using nasty as a comparison is potentially misleading because of possible variations in pronunciation of the A. Indeed if I were to say "that's a nasty pasty" the As in nasty and pasty would not sound the same.

IMO Pat and Hets are right - it's pAsty as in Hat, with the stress on the A. The y is a standard y sound as in "likely", "possibly" or even "bigly".

There are some local variations, but that's only because of their way of pronouncing an A; it's not the "right" way to pronounce it unless you pronounce all short As that way.

BTW, the singular is "pasty", the plural "pasties" but the sound of the A remains the same.

Pass T

There's no R in bath, nasty, pasty, latte.

God I hate that one.

"Can I get a lartte".

What is "can I get"

What is "lartte"

Bloody youth of today.

My father travelled the length and breadth of Cape Cod for two weeks wondering why he was asked whether he wanted "budder" with his scones.

He amswered twice that he was Church of England.

Nothing to do with the pronunciation, but I think the word "nasty" truly describes the pasty. Having spent some time in Cornwall, and tried a variety of them, I would never willingly eat another. The shortbread crust is nice enough if the pasty is fresh from the oven, but the potato/swede/lard/hint of meat combination that is inside is simply horrid, IMHO.

Nasty, pasty, hasty, tasty...

For a bit of festive fun, who can come up with the most amusing sentence using all these words?!!!!

Nukesafe

You can't have had a good one.

They were designed by the wives of tin miners ( Ann correct me if I'm wrong( your heritage not mine)) to provide a full meal for their husbands when underground.

When cooked correctly with a right thickness of pastry, the lamb Cornish pasty is one of the worlds great dishes.

Produced badly, and yes, I wouldn't give it to my Working Cocker Spaniel.

Did you buy yours from our national chain : Greggs?

Pasty is pronounced Pass Tea.

My Welsh grandmother made them.

Posh people wouldn't know how to pronounce pasty because the pasty was made for coalminer's tiffin pans.


Thin

Those in Northern Michigan also know the name as many miners came to work the ore mines. You can still find them on menus around the state.

>> even "a pasty-faced nasty pasty muncher"

someone who is a bit of a hard nut, doesn't see the sun a lot, and shops at Greggs<<

Or, to be truly parochial, George Osborne.

Patrick for the win!

I'm enjoying this thread.

George Osborne — didn't he introduce the "pasty tax" when he was chancellor?

Well, this has been fun. :) Still working on pronunciation but, think I 've got it.

Then the same as we in Michigan pronouce pasty it seems - Cornish tin miners brought to Michigan's U P to work in mines there brought them with them and as the story goes used to take them into the mines and put them on heaters when lunchtime came around.

As a Southerner, this is how I pronounce pasty:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C8kirMqYGmc

They were designed by the wives of tin miners ( Ann correct me if I'm wrong( your heritage not mine)) to provide a full meal for their husbands when underground.>>

not actually my heritage, Dickie, as I've only been here 20 years but a good pasty is indeed a thing of beauty.

As for its origins and some detail about how it crossed the pond, I found this:

http://www.history.com/news/hungry-h...-cornish-pasty

[BTW I don't think they's got the pronunciation right, but we've been over that]

It's also to be found in Mexico where Cornish miners also went in the C19, though theirs are a bit more spicy than the ones I can buy in my local bakeries.

Heimdall - I'm not sure about the "pasty tax". I think that Georgie Porgie had to back off when he originally tried to bring it in, but I believe they snuck it back in a couple of years later.

Thin - in Cornwall those tiffin pans are called a "crib" in Cornwall as in me asking a workman at lunchtime "would you like something to eat?" "No, I've got my crib".

<<The shortbread crust is nice enough if the pasty is fresh from the oven, but the potato/swede/lard/hint of meat combination that is inside is simply horrid, IMHO.>>

Nukesafe, I'm sorry you didn't like the pasties you tried. That's fine, they aren't for everyone. But please get the terms right - it's "shortcrust pastry"; shortbread is a sweet Scottish biscuit.

Annhig, yes Georgie did have to back off, and it wasn't really a tax on pasties either. That was a term coined by the press to describe his proposal to tax hot takeaway food.

Interesting link about pasties across the pond, and I remember my first taste when my parents took me on a trip to UP Michigan, long before I ever came to England. In American English pronunciation (at least that part of America) pasty does rhyme with nasty.

I love the transfer of local culture which happened hindereds of years ago and still survives.

There are Welsh speaking communities in isolated regions of Argentina and we loved travelling round the mountain regions of North Carolina and Georgia to find strong links with Scottish, Irish and Cumbrian folk music. In some ways they retain Gaelic culture far more than we do.

The "posh" way of saying Pasty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ZmBTPh3NY

"the lamb Cornish pasty is one of the worlds great dishes." No such thing! My Cornish grandmother and mother would be turning in their graves at the very thought! :-) ,let alone the EU under whose legislation the recipe is very carefully prescribed under a EU Protected Geographical Indication:

A genuine Cornish pasty must contain:

Roughly diced or minced beef
Sliced or diced potato
Swede (turnip)
Onion
Seasoning to taste (mainly salt & pepper)
The ingredients must be uncooked when the pasty is assembled.

The pastry must be savoury and can be shortcrust, puff or rough puff and must hold all ingredients through cooking and handling without cracking or breaking.

The pasty must be crimped into a D shape, with the crimp towards one side and glazed with egg, milk or a mixture of both.


http://www.cornishpastyassociation.c...he-pasty/faqs/

Pronounced as in pat or nasty not part or narsty.

Hi there

It's pronounced as "PASS-tee" with a short "A" sound as in "HAT" and emphasis on the first syllable. From someone who spent a good proportion of their life living in Cornwall...;0)

Makes sense, since Brits pronounce "pasta" as "pass-tuh."

As far as the filling is concerned, the meat should be beef skirt.

<<let alone the EU under whose legislation the recipe is very carefully prescribed under a EU Protected Geographical Indication: >>

Which will presumably stop if/when we leave the EU. Another thing my fellow votes forgot when they voted for that da..ed Brexit.

And I agree Crellston that it must be beef, most of my friends who make their own use skirt. BTW I have had clients who were pasty crimpers - yes, it's a real job!

<<Makes sense, since Brits pronounce "pasta" as "pass-tuh.">>

exactly the same way the Italians do, V.

and exactly as they pronounce "basta" too. [look it up!]

>>BTW I have had clients who were pasty crimpers -<<

Not, presumably, peely-wally hairdressers.

"and exactly as they pronounce "basta" too. [look it up!"

Our Italian friends from Turin lived near us for four years in deepest Lancashire. Our and their son were thick as thieves up until them moving back to Italy when the boys were 5 years old.

Never forget the faces of the little old ladies in our village when Max shouted to his son "enough, enough" in Italian.

"WHAT did he just say?"

lots of Cornish came to Australia in 1800's - at least 8% of South Australia was Cornish - copper mining around Moonta - now called theCornish triangle . Many left the area to go to NSW Broken Hill -home of BHP . Cornish pastie competitions we r held all over Australia which is why they are still sold in all bakeries here alongside meat pies and sausage rolls - indeed even called oggies in some places .
I've always called them p-ar-sty but. Know some other Aussies say pasty as in hat .

ann: >>exactly the same way the Italians do, V.

and exactly as they pronounce "basta" too. [look it up!]<<

I don't need to look it up, as I speak Italian.

I and every Italian speaker I know pronounce them "pah-stuh" and "bah-stuh" (though sometimes the last syllable is clipped, depending on the region).

I have never heard an Italian -- certainly not one in my household -- say "pass-tuh."

Lots of Welch miners ended up in Northern Minnesota too. One time I saw Pasties in a grocery freezer while visiting Duluth and said their name-incorrectly. Another shopper stopped, yelled at me and very strongly corrected my pronunciation! I will never forget how to pronounce pastie!