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dee Jul 16th, 2001 12:54 PM

my husband and i honeymooned at grand lido, negril, and had a blast. the people who worked at the resort were out-of-their- way friendly, stopping to have real conversations with us, even when they were off work. we left the resort once, to buy american cigarettes b/c my husband forgot to bring them and was getting tired of the rothman's. even though it was just across the street and down a little way, it was enough that we decided not to leave the resort again. when we stopped to look at the wares set up across the street, we were followed and hounded, one man even approached my husband to sell him drugs, and we had to run across the street to escape him. luckily, the resort workers were waiting for us, and we fell back in pace. I agree with the previous poster, we took the shuttle from MBJ and passed the gorgeous coastline, littered with bottles and trash. I highly recommend the resorts, but wouldn't veture outside of them, plus there's really no need to, everything is right there for you. if you want loccal culture, take the time to talk to the people who work there.

bobcat Jul 16th, 2001 01:42 PM

Jane, are you a gambler? The marijuana <BR>may be cheap, but the "good sex" may not be so cheap. The Jamaican Health Ministry estimates 15,000 to 20,000 Jamaicans are infected with HIV. <BR>Good luck.

getwithit Jul 16th, 2001 01:55 PM

bobcat, that does not compare to the millions of americans with aids, get with the program...

100% Jamaican Jul 17th, 2001 09:36 AM

Ah Bwoy, <BR> <BR>Although I can vouch for the "good sex," the island is however paradise to many, a nightmare to few. These few would want to cast aspersions all embroiled in such bad experiences. <BR> <BR>Come on now,...Jamaica has real issues, as any other country/island/or continent would have. How can anyone not expect that? What do you all think Jamaicans ride around on silly donkeys, singing "happy, happy, joy, joy" and "Hey mon, Irie mon" tattooed on their backsides? C'mon...that's shallow as these stupid comments I'm reading... <BR> <BR>If only you angry tourists were a little bit wiser, maybe y'all would enjoy the island as you should. <BR> <BR>But hey if you don't have fun in Jamaica...then maybe y'all can get cheap marijuana and "good sex" in Amsterdam then...hey who needs the sun and white sandy beaches.

molls Aug 11th, 2001 07:05 PM

I would never go back, simply b/c I dont want to put up w. third world BS (like crime and squalor, which we saw aplenty from Mo Bay to Negril, as well as waiting forever for a 'safe' cab) when you can see much more beautiful scenery in richer countries like Cayman and Bermuda. Jamaica is for partiers. My bellhop's first question to me was WANT TO BUY SOME SMOKES? pathetic. <BR> <BR>Im tired of people blaming AMericans for their bad experiences abroad. I behaved appropriately and wasnt rude to anyone, yet I couldnt go on my hotel beach in MoBay w.out locals sexually harrassing me (prob due to all the American sluts who go there simply to get laid by black men - sorry gals but you know who you are). When I complained the hotel staff told me 'well, you saw how stella got her groove back, right? They think all American women are looking for sex.' So, thankyou gals for pepetuating that stereotype onto all of us. <BR>Id much rather go somewhere where I feel safe to go where i please, and where severe poverty doesn't force people into crime.

Sherry Aug 11th, 2001 09:04 PM

I love Jamaica....Loved it so much got married there 5 years ago!!! One of the funnest islands I've been to!

John Aug 17th, 2001 06:04 AM

It always amazes me that we Americans can see what is wrong in other countries but miss what is at our own doorstep. <BR>We have more money that the islands combine yet there is lot of proverty all over the USA like in the Mississippi Delta where the outhouse is still prevelent. Some 11 million children right here in the fantastic USA go to bed hungry every night. Then there are the corrupt cops and politicians, etc. <BR>But as I said, most of us who travel, can"t see what is around us right here at home.

Wendy Aug 17th, 2001 07:14 AM

I've been to Jamaica many times. I thought I'd found paradise until I was invited to the house of a twelve-year-old boy who sold soda on the beach. His house was a tin shack that housed eight people, and had no bathroom or electricity. I thought I'd been invited for tea, but instead I got a lecture from his great grandmother about how hard life was in Jamaica, and how terrible the United States was for not allowing in more Jamaicans. It was a wake-up call for me. I couldn't just go back to the beach and sip pina coladas. On our next trip, my husband and I started bringing down extra suitcases stuffed with things that we take for granted but that Jamaicans often can't find in the stores: aspirin, for one! My point is that the Caribbean is full of countries like these. We can all stay at the resorts and pretend the problems don't exist, or we can attempt to understand what it's really like for the people who live there. It's an uncomfortable place to vacation, and yet we all go.

rose Aug 19th, 2001 07:43 PM

never been to jamaica but have been to dominica where there is also a lot of poverty as well as a peace corps station. what if..everyone did one thing each year to ease the poverty someone else was living in? in u.s. or their own country. yes my glasses are rose. and if you wonder yes i do do that one thing but every month-not trying to be sanctimonious just saying it can be done. wendy i hope you help the situation in your own country,eh?

tivertonhouse Aug 20th, 2001 12:30 AM

There are many countries around the world that suffer from the draconian policies of the IMF/International Monetary Fund. Jamaica,effectively forced to run the country on only 3% of its revenues,is one. Add to that the meddlesome, destabilizing and destructive policies of the past and current Bush administrations -- the root cause of Jamaica's gun/drug/political warfare problems -- and one shouldn't be surprised to find <BR>a country often in turmoil, a country with few public services and few well-paying jobs ,and a country where almost 1/3 of the population has left for better opportunities, sending millions back to relatives via Western Union every year. To those of us who love Jamaica, it's is no surprise that 7/8ths of the contents of the suitcases we bring down to island are necessities, food,clothing,books,school supplies and gifts for a people whose spirit and character remain unbroken --and one of the most admirable in the world. To kvetch about being hassled by a street seller who earns maybe US$10 a day while basic transportation, education and even a scrawny frozen chicken (US$6) are prohbitively expensive seems quite a small problem in comparison. And says more about "us" <BR>than "them".

ght Aug 20th, 2001 03:36 AM

That's good. Blame Jamaica's problems on everybody but the country's citizens.

Stephanie Aug 20th, 2001 07:37 AM

I, for one, will never go to a 3rd world country as I don't like staying @ a mega resort. If I want to see poverty and begging I'll stay in Pittsburgh and walk the sidewalks of my neighborhood. <BR> <BR>

Jim Aug 20th, 2001 07:37 AM

I love Jamaica and will continue to visit there as often as I can. We have started a second & third generation also going there. Crime is every where even in the "Great" United States. Just have a little common since and you will be fine, we have never had a problem. We venture out of the resort and do mingle with the Jamaicans whom we find are wonderful people.

Wendy Aug 20th, 2001 11:20 AM

I wanted to add a postscript to my last comments. I've never understood people who only stay at their resorts, since you don't really "see" what the people, or the country are all about. The Jamaicans we met changed our lives, and the way that we think about all that we have. That was worth the experience- even if at times it was very uncomfortable. I'd also like to say that Jamaica is one of the most physically beautiful countries I've ever seen.

Mary Aug 20th, 2001 01:00 PM

<BR> <BR>Wendy: I agree with you wholeheartedly. They are missing out on so, so much. I love to experience the culture just as much as the resort life.

Anita Aug 24th, 2001 06:31 AM

Hi, Monique! I took my husband to Jamaica a year before we got married as a surprise trip. I had to do it on the cheap, but it all worked out very well. We stayed at an older hotel (the Tralawny in Falmouth, right outside of Montego Bay). However, the room was clean, and the people were very friendly and accommodating. We met some of the locals, who were selling their arts and ladies braiding hair. Two of the locals (Sticky & Mike) took us on the island tour. (We asked a few people about Sticky & Mike before we went out with them.) They were fantastic! For a rate much cheaper than the hotel charged, they picked up drinks and took us to places that the hotel didn't offer. We went to the caves where a James Bond film was made. Christopher Columbus Park. We went to Dunn's River Falls, where I proceeded to fall, broke my finger very badly, and the guide didn't want me to leave the line climbing the falls because he would've missed his tip (I guess). Sticky followed our climb every second, saw I was hurt, and got me out of there, basically telling the guy to take a hike. He then lead us to the car on a path that took us away from the pushy vendors. On the road, he saw a friend selling raw coconuts. They pulled the car around, and spoke to the guy in their language. The guy proceeded to climb the tree and picked a raw coconut. With a machette, he hacked the top off, stuck a straw in it, and we drank what was one of the best things I've ever tasted. We also saw two young boys moving their cattle on a back road. We had a blast! But, in all sense, one must be careful. Talk to security guards around the resort, like we did. If you're careful, you should be OK. I'd return to Jamaica, though I'd probably stay at a different resort.

tivertonhouse Aug 24th, 2001 10:15 PM

PBS/Public Broadcasting on the program P.O.V./Point of View is currently running a documentary called "Life and Debt" on Jamaica which is a scathing review on the IMF and its effect on Jamaica's citizens. It won't dissuade anyone from visiting -- but it surely will open your eyes to what really happens outside resortland

ohliz Oct 15th, 2001 01:18 PM

We love JA, we're returning for a 6th trip next month, with our kids (they are 7 and 4 and this is their 3rd trip to JA). We have never stayed in an all-inclusive resort. We've stayed in a castle on the cliffs in Negril, cottages on the beach in Negril, and staffed villas near MoBay. On each of these trips we got out and about into hte countryside several times, to waterfalls, mountains, small villages, motorcycled around (no kids that time). We have never been hassled in a way that "no thanks" and a smile didn't handle and I have never seen a beggar (meaning someone who isn't selling something but simply asking for money). <BR> <BR>A lot of tourists do go to JA because they like to smoke marijuana and the local salespeople know that and cater to that, but there is respect too - I have never been offered drugs when my kids were with me. <BR> <BR>Jamaica is not Disneyland (hey, Disney isn't Disney - check out crime stats for Florida sometime, esp. crimes targeted to tourists - ouch!) so don't leave your common sense at home. Taking off with a stranger is never a good idea, wandering around drunk at 4AM in a stange town...you know, the basic stuff you shouldn't do anywhere yu shouldn't do in Jamaica. <BR> <BR>:) Liz


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