AA's Plat Challenge: Can't Do It!
 

I dropped to Gold this year, and I called to see if I can try for the Plat challenge this year, and they said no. Is that people's experience?

Not only this, they are telling me I can't try for Plat challenge again until 2010.

Right now I have about 15000 qualifying miles. I'm flying to Europe in a few weeks (about 7000 miles) and to Buenos Aires in October (about 10000 miles). It's probably a bit of a stretch for me to qualify for Plat on my own. I'll still be a good 18000 miles short, so I need more than two trips to Europe, which is where I usually go.

Thanks!

I suspect they can answer your questions better at FT than here, IMO

It's an undocumented benefit, so changes in the rules are... well, undocumented.

Did you challenge to Plat in the first place last year or the year before? If so, no sequential challenges allowed, so you'd have to wait until 3/1/09, not 3/1/10.

I'd phone back - cardinal rule when you get an unexpected (negative) answer from the airlines.

Gardyloo to rescue...

I can't remember when I completed the challenge. I think that it was January 2007? I flew on Cathay Pacific to Australia, which did the trick.

I guess I can again, but it sounds like it's a lost cause. Thanks!

Since you got Plat in 2007 through a challenge, you can't do it again in 2008, but I believe the agent was wrong or you misunderstood. You will probably be able to do the challenge again next year, right after 1/1/09.

I should probably call AA again about this, but when does the clock restart for the Plat challenge? Is it Jan 1, 2009 (per AAFF), or is it March 1, 2009 (per Gardyloo)?

I know that the status is usually good through Feb. of each year.

This makes a difference, as I'm trying to decide whether I want to pay extra to fly Cathay Pacific between NYC and Asia. I can pay a little extra for class H, which I think allows me to accrue miles on AA. But the flight will probably take place in mid January of next year.

Thanks again!

< I want to pay extra to fly Cathay Pacific between NYC and Asia. I can pay a little extra for class H, which I think allows me to accrue miles on AA. >

Do you mean you want to fly CX to get the POINTS needed for the PLT challenge?

You need to be sure the CX flight is actually an AA codeshare.

From:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...mp;postcount=2

<i>If you are flying on AA airline partners, be aware those miles may no longer count for a Challenge, though unless they are flown as <b> American Airlines codeshares.</b></i>

Thanks for pointing this out. How do I know whether the flight is a codeshare? I'm thinking of booking directly on CX's website, and I can book class H directly on it.

But it looks like those flights are probably not codeshare with AA?

I'm quite confident that you'll have to book via AA for the CX flight, IF it's offered as an AA codeshare.

To elaborate, the flight has to be booked as an AA flight with an AA flight number, even though it is operated by CX. If you book directly with CX, even if that flight operates as an AA codeshare, it still won't count for the challenge points because you have to be booked under an AA flight #.

Ok, I called AA and they are the saying the same as you are saying. Try booking it through AA's website or through a travel agent. My guess would be if I try booking it on AA's website, the fare will be enormous. I'll take a look and check.

This guy said that I can try for Plat challenge again starting Jan. 1, 2009. But I won't be surprised if someone else tells me something different.

The problem with using AA's website is that I can't all the flights to show up. For example, the outbound to Taipei only has Cathay listed, but for the return, I'm able to book a codeshare.

The fare is not as outrageous as I thought. The outbound is a connection in LAX with Eva. This prices to $1600. However, the outbound is about 5 hours longer than it would be otherwise.

The cheapest fare on CX is a little over $1200. Code H is around $1400.

However there's an another issue I'm concerned about. With tickets to Asia, normally the return is changeable without a fee. Is this true for codeshare on AA? It's quite possible that I'll want to change my return date.

It seems like I should abandon the idea of trying for the challenge.

I've a much simpler and basic question.

Right now I have about 21,000 elite qualifying miles for this year. With the one trip to Europe I'm taking, I should be over 25,000.

Currently I've Gold status. After I requalify, is the Gold status extended through Feb. 2010? Is that how that works?

I'm a little confused by this for this reason. Suppose I actually flew 25,000 qualifying miles in the first four months of this year. Would they still extend my status through Feb. 2010?

Is there something about flying in the first half vs. second half of the year I remember reading?

Thanks!

If you make 25,000 this year, you're Gold through February 2010. If you make 25,000 next year, you're Gold through February 2011. You can always shoot for higher than that next year too. That's achieving status the regular way.

<i>Is there something about flying in the first half vs. second half of the year I remember reading?</i>

The challenges are set so that if you challenge Gold or Plat in the second half of the year your status will remain until the end of February in the second year following, i.e. challenge in October 2008 your status is good until February 2010. If you challenge in the first half of the year then it's only good until the following February.

If your status is due to expire at the end of February 2009 and you requalify during calendar 2008, then your status will remain until 2/2010. If you requalify during calendar 2009 (say in mid-February) your status will remain until 2/2011. However that would mean a lot of flying between 1/1 and mid-February in that scenario, since all elite qualifying miles and points reset to zero on New Years Day.

Thanks for the clarification. So if you qualify the normal way in year T, then the qualification is always good through Feb of T+2?

For example, qualify sometime in year 2009, then it's good through Feb. 2011?

There's no distinction between first and second halves of the year in this case?

By the way, Gardyloo, I think you have some experience with Israel. Would you mind taking a look at my questions in the Middle East forum? It's really late to be doing the research. Thanks for any help you can provide!

<i>For example, qualify sometime in year 2009, then it's good through Feb. 2011?

There's no distinction between first and second halves of the year in this case?</i>

Both right.

When you called AA the other day regarding the challenge, did they mention about a fee to join?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887542
<i>For challenges from Nov 1st, $150 for Plat and $80 for Gold</i>

Wow. No. Another reason for not trying the challenge!

I'd forgotten about the fee, but I called recently to ask about the Plat challenge again. And yes, they told me I had to pay $150.

I was going to join anyway because I figured that JFK-SFO would be 5000 miles, but then Plat challenge is based on *points* not miles (which I guess you guys mentioned too!).

So they had already verified my eligibility and signed me on, but then I asked them to remove my name on the spot because they told me I'd only have 50% points.

How far can the challenge be backdated? When I called they offered to use March 15 (or 16?) or April 1 as the start date of the challenge.

Do people think it's worthwhile to try a Plat challenge for $150? I'm thinking it's still worth it, but I'm interested in learning more about the issues involved. Thanks!

Those "is it worth it?" questions are always toughies. Is it worth spending $30K more for a Porsche than for a Kia? Pretty subjective stuff.

IMO, either challenging (AA) or asking for a status match once one has elite status (many other airlines) really has to do with your current and anticipated flying patterns. If you travel a lot, and your origin/destination characteristics favor one airline over another, then obtaining elite status has real benefits - preferred seating, extra baggage allowances, upgrades, expedited check-in, etc. If you travel a lot, then maybe the redemption opportunities (accruing miles through elite bonuses, for instance) are less important to you - you've seen enough airplanes already, thank you.

AA offers the challenges to give people who are likely to <b>re-</b>qualify a jump start. They're looking for brand loyalty in a highly competitive market. If you challenge in Year 1 and then coast, you'll be downgraded (first to Gold then to dirt) in successive years, and your $150 will only have netted you short term perks and maybe some bonus miles.

On the other hand if you travel a lot already, or intend to do so in the near future, and if AA and its partners offer good service and connections from where you live to where you travel, well, then, the $150 may well be "worth it" many times over.

As for your technical questions, AFAIK AA will not back-date more than a month to capture already-flown trips. Challenges start on the 1st and 16th of the month. If your challenge period ends before June 15, your status will only be good until the end of Feb. 2010. If your challenge ends after June 15, then your status will last until Feb. 2011. So unless you flew a lot in the second half of March, I'd have the challenge commence on April 1 or 15, or later, so as to get the extra year of status.

Regardless, if you don't fly 50K miles or earn 50K points (or fly 60 segments) in 2010, you'll fall to Gold on March 1, 2011, then nada in March 2012. You can't challenge again until after you're Gold, although there's talk that Challenges may be limited to once in a great while, to discourage serial challengers.

And to repeat, the Plat challenge requires you to accumulate 10,000 elite qualifying points (EQP) in three months. Deep discount fares earn 1/2 point per mile, mid-tier economy fares (booked in, e.g. fare classes L, V, W) earn 1 point; premium fares (full fare coach, business and first) earn 1.5 points per mile. All points must be earned on AA-numbered flights (meaning code-shares are eligible.)

Once you hit the 10K EQP mark, then you earn 100% plat bonus miles (redeemable, not elite qualifying miles) on all AA and many (not all) partner flights after that.

So, for example, say a deep discount JFK-SFO round trip earns 2700 points (2 x 2700 miles x 0.5) and costs $250. Four of those trips in 90 days = 10,800 points, Plat status. You're out $1000, plus the $150 for the challenge.

However, once you qualify your miles double, so at the end of those 4 trips you'd have around 15K miles in the bank, and it wouldn't be very long - if you fly a fair amount - before you get cheap (or free) upgrades, can redeem miles for free trips, etc., in which case that $150 doesn't sound like very much. It all has to do with your personal plans and habits.

Thanks for the very informative reply -- esp. the bit about that I should think about having the challenge end after June 15.

I think that the challenge is sort of worth it so I signed up for it. But the 50% points for discount fares is a hassle, and when I discovered this, I cancelled the challenge. In my case, there's also the consideration that I didn't pay for my JFK-SFO ticket.

There's a small chance that I may fly to SF again. If so, I may be able to get 3 NYC-SF segments to qualify. However that still only gets me about 40% of the way. Thus the situation is not as clear cut as I thought.

Anyway I've about 270K miles in my account (as a leisure traveller). Unfortunately I've not flown as much as I thought I would be flying recently. In fact, I only just made my first trip with AA this year.

Actually I just saw the thread on DEQM miles. I had forgotten about it. It does make things a little more interesting. I guess if I do fly to SF again, then it looks like 4 segments will qualify for the DEQM promotion (even on a discounted fare). So I'm about half way there.

I just need another 12,500 miles before the promotion is over.

Does this sound right?

If I don't make it before June I still have the end of the year to get to Plat, but at least the chances of making Gold again (which would be for free) should be pretty good.

Your challenge has to <i>start</i> not end after June 15 if you want Plat until Feb 2011.

http://flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Challenge

<i>Challenges begun before June 16 of a given year earn status for the remainder of that year and the first two months of the following year; challenges begun on or after June 16 grant status for the remainder of that year, the following year, and the first two months of the year after (at least 14 months).</i>

<i>Your challenge has to start not end after June 15 if you want Plat until Feb 2011.</i>

I guess my recollection is faulty. How unusual. ;) Sorry, OP.

Double EQ<b>Miles</b> means getting to plat would require 25K butt-in-seat miles between now and June 15, when the promo ends, or more if you don't make all 25K miles by then. That's around 10 JFK-SFO (or v.v.) segments, i.e 5 round trips, about the same that would be needed for the challenge. However, if you get to 50K EQ miles this year by whatever means, your status would last until Feb. 2011.

I am currently EXP and had thought I'd take a year off status chasing and use the opportunity to burn off some miles rather than earn more. However the combination of the double EQ miles plus the BOS3X promo (3x redeemable miles on BOS-SFO/LAX/SAN nonstops - 4x if you're Plat or above) has me contemplating a mileage run or three for the first time in years. It's an opportunity to renew EXP (hence more SWUs etc.) and harvest a ton of miles at comparatively low cost.

Plus the current economy, or lack of one thereof, means that award seats up front are apparently more readily available - even on the likes of CX or even :-o QF - so now thinking about a first class longhaul award somewhere fun later this year, earned rapidly this spring. Maybe, maybe not, but tantalizing...

Does that mean we'll be seat mates on the BOS3X routes, Gardyloo? ;)

<i>Does that mean we'll be seat mates on the BOS3X routes, Gardyloo?</i>

Mayhaps. I'm shooting to do a few two-day turnarounds from Seattle - SEA-DFW-BOS-SFO-BOS-DFW-SEA.

Do you guys know if NetSaver fares qualify for mileage and the DEQM promotion? Thanks.

<i>Do you guys know if NetSaver fares qualify for mileage and the DEQM promotion?</i>

AFAIK, they usually book into O and Q fares, so no reason they wouldn't. "O" isn't upgradeable with stickers, and both O and Q aren't upgradable to Europe or Asia (O doesn't even earn miles to Latin America) but otherwise they're fine for the promo.

Before I'd buy one I'd definitely look carefully at the fare rules, which are linked on the main confirmation screen before they payment one.

Hi, here's a mysterious problem. I checked my mileage accumulation online. My flights to the West Coast were just posted. I flew JFK-SFO, SFO-LAX-JFK.

Before the 25% gold bonus is added, the total is 5398 miles.

But what's mysterious: YTD elite qualifying miles is 5561 and YTD elite qualifying points is 5756 which is bigger than either!

Can someone explain this to me? Since these are my first flights for the year, I'd have thought that YTD elite qualifying miles = actual miles = 5398 and YTD elite qualifying points <= YTD elite qualifying miles.

First I think that the fare classes booked were Q and S, and I thought they only accumulate half a point.

I don't believe that DQEM bonus has been added either.

So what has happened? Thanks!

Sometimes AA works in mysterious ways. I've had low-point flights turn up as high-point, even upgrades post as purchased premium flights. Be happy.

I don't believe the DBEQM miles are going to post until the end of the promo in June. Last year's AADER bonuses didn't post until after the end of that promo either.

That's so weird. Now I'm thinking I should have paid $150 for the Plat challenge because I'm more than 1/2 way there!

The math just doesn't add up. For fun, I tried this calculation: 1.5 x 2586 + 2 x 337 + 0.5 x 2475 = 5791. This assumes that they erroneously gave me more points because of the upgrades. But I get something a little larger than the 5756 they obtained. It's quite close though.

Thanks again.

<i>YTD elite qualifying miles is 5561</i>

2586 + 500 (minimum mileage guarantee) + 2475

I don't know how they got the EQP though.

Thanks for solving one part of the mystery. I still can't solve the issue with the EQ points.

Does it help that they posted a bonus of 288 miles on SFO-LAX? Note that I'm Gold, and the actual miles for this segment is 337 miles. So 288 is neither 25% of 337 or is it 25% of 500. I did get a complimentary upgrade on this segment.

You can see why I'm finding all of this terribly mysterious. :)

You were booked JFK/SFO r/t
You ended up flying JFK/SFO; SFO/LAX/JFK due to mechanical issues


JFK/SFO = 2586
SFO/LAX = 337 (As GLD, you should get 500 mile minimum)
LAX-JFK = 2475

So, as a GLD before bonus, you should get
2586+500+2475 = 5561, which is your YTD EQM

5298 miles = 2586 + 337 + 2475

Never mind the first 2 lines I typed above.

Yes, that's what Patty wrote. But what about the EQP and the mysterious 288 bonus for SFO-LAX?

I'm not complaining, but I am pretty detail-oriented. :)

377+288 = 625 (125% of 500 mile MIN)

One (or more) of your legs must have been re-booked into a higher class level (due to the rerouting) so you got bonus EQP for your return. Hard to say which one it is without knowing what fare class you flew back on.