Please help with safari destination
 

Hi Folks,
I'd like to start planning my 07 trip to Africa and need some ideas. We'll be leaving for Tanz./Seychelles Feb. 10 and probably would like to go elsewhere in Africa.
As a NE I usually try to escape during the US winter months (Jan.Feb.) and go somewhere warm.

I've been tossing around Zambia during the Emerald season but really want to see dogs.
here's my wish list:

1. Small and intimate lodge or mobile/perm. camps in fairly remote areas - not too costly.

2. Dogs and other preditures, scenery and birds ? maybe gorillas if possible

3. 4x4 and other types of excursions - river boats(small,not smelly motored) hiking (not Kili or too high up)- maybe horseback - although DH isn't (too)(: old, he has an artificial hip - so I can ride while he hangs out.

4. warm weather is a plus but not too hot - over 85+ is starting to get to hot.

5. less places at a non frantic pace is best as we will be going back

So am I asking for too much, and can you help?
Much appreciation ahead;
Sherry

(Disclaimer...Cybor was provided this information offline but thought it would be a good idea if I posted it for the benefit of others to see)


Sherry,

While there is no guarantee that this will be offered next year, I do want to show you what would have been possible had you been traveling between Dec. 01st - March 31st 2006.

There is a very special rate when combining two or more Kwando camps, and if you were to stay 8 nights or longer, you would be able to get you in Kwando for a mere $250 per person per night sharing. This is a 63% savings off their high season rate and better yet, a 22% discount off their regular pricing for the same period.

www.kwando.co.za

These camps are about as small and remote as you will find. Kwando has between its Kwando and Kwara concession, over 1 million acres of land, yet in all that space, there are only 40 beds between its current three camps. That works out to 25,000 acres per person, and that is in the unlikely event that the camps are full.

Kwando uses the guide & tracker system to maximize the gameviewing opportunities for its guests.

Kwando may be one of the best places in Africa for near-guaranteed wild dog sightings and is also supposed to be excellent for other predators such as lions and cheetah.

From booking my own trip, I do know that there are already some blocked off dates in December 2006, so it would be in your best interest to enquire about availability as soon as possible to avoid disappointment.

Sherry,
Funny, I was just thinking Rocco (and maybe even Dennis, as he's getting to be quite the Zambia regular) would probably be able to help you.

The other thing that occurred to me was whether it would be terribly difficult/expensive to get from, say Uganda to Zambia. Rocco or luangwablondes might have info about this, but then you could conceivably do gorilla tracking AND see Zambia. Wouldn't that be amazing? :D

My thoughts are along the lines of Leely - no gorillas in Zambia, unless Rocco is around... haha. OK, that was a joke. Rocco can help you plan agreat trip - I haven't worked with him officially but he led me to the operator I used for my upcoming Zambia trip and it's been totally great. I've also talked to him off forum from time to time and I'm pretty sure he will do his utmost to get you the best deals. (Just watch out, he has a legendary taste for luxury. You may have to reign him in a bit.) :-)

I haven't been to Zambia yet but it sounds like it would be right up your alley. Although the Kwando camps def. look great, too. Good luck with your planning!

Sharon ((@))

cybor

The best time to see wild dogs in South Luangwa is during the wet season. It is almost a daily occurrence. During the dry season they move to the hills and seen from time to time.

Kwando, their wild dog pack was killed by lions last July. There are only two remaining dogs. They may get the Selinda pack but during the rains this is a no no. Most of the animals move down the spillway and into the Mopane. In the dry season you'll find dogs in the Selinda. That said, Kwando is an excellent product

I am not sure that your last piece of informationa bout the dogs at kwando is true. I am aware that they had dogs denning outside Lagoon in August 2005.

I also am not sure that in the entire kwando concession that there is/was just one pack of dogs.
I do not dispute the fact that dogs were killed by lion, that could well be true, but dogs were defiantely still around.

lbj

someone must have mislead you about the Kwando Lagoon Dogs.
They denned very late in 2005 (2 month later than normal) and at the end of the year the 5 puppies were still doing fine!
Michael

From what i have heard, the Lagoon pack was decimated. They still have frequent visits from the Selinda pack which the Lagoon pack was related too.

lbj-we saw the dogs in South Luangwa in late October near Chichele plains and then later in another plains area, no hills around.

lbj

The Lagoon pack lost its (at the time) alpha female in August 2004 (I was visiting Lebala when it happened). Since then they have not lost any adults. As mentioned above they denned succesfully in august 2005. They may or may not be related to the pack that you are referring to. That pack has 12 adults and 11 subadults. Thet are likely to split into two groups soon and who knows where they will be denning next year??.
The entire Kwando /Selinda area is vey good for dogs but you still need some amount of luck as they do move about quite a bit.

mv,

that is must selinda pack you are talking of, same size. Look on the Selinda website and you'll find the information on their denning. By August they are already moving. So it is likely they could have crossed into the Kwando. I was under the impression there was also another pack in the Kwando concession. But maybe they are one and the same. So could be very wrong

matnikstym, as i said, from time to time. October is practically the end of the dry season. So you should expect a higher chance of seeing the dogs. Though they Den in the hills towards the escarpment as a general rule. In the thick bush areas.

Lorraine did an excellent report after being to Kwando in November. According to her report:

The Lagoon pack is small and actually was still denning in November with healthy small pups. Rare to be denning so late -- would suggest losing a litter to lions earlier, however the pack is still there and trying to grow.

Lebala had the pack of 21 dogs at that time.

I will be there in March and hope to be able to report back myself even though it is not prime dog viewing season perhaps I will be lucky. I will at least try and find out the status of the packs.

As much as I like Zambia, can't recommend it in 'Emerald Season" clever marketing tool for the rainy season. Botswana would be a much better bet to see dogs, but it gets to be a little toasty that time of year.

Gorillas can include some arduous hiking over many hours in difficult terrain. Are you sure you are interested and up for that? Its worth it if you end up with a cooperative group to view. And Transportation costs add up.

Hi,
Thank you all for such good responses -it's all good food for thought. As much as I thought I had a handle on the geography of Zambia and which camps are open during the Emerald season, I realize that I have to look the info. up all over again. For some reason the names of those places in Zambia do me in.

Question: is the general consensus stating that I'd be more likely to see dogs in Botwania at that time of year - if that's the case, how difficult is it to combine the 2 locations. How hot is hot in Botswania - I remember someone's great report where she made a wonderful 'sticking your head in front of the oven' analogy.

I have wanted to go to Uganda to see the gorillas but I'm gathering that that's not an easy place to combine with Zambia - true?

Thanks ahead;
Sherry

Sherry,

Combining Uganda with Zambia should be no more difficult than combining Uganda with Botswana.

With that being said, however, I do think a combination of Botswana & Zambia would be the easiest thing, or even combining Zambia with Tanzania, if you were interested, perhaps, in Mahale, which has, I believe, the biggest remaining wild chimp population in the world. Greystoke Mahale, a Nomad Safaris camp, looks wonderful. It is a very remote location, however, and is even a long way from Arusha or anywhere else you would likely fly into to get to Tanzania.

I just did a test on the Kenya Airways website, and this is how simple it is to connect Zambia and Uganda. I chose two completely random dates, Wednesday March 15th, for a Lusaka departure to Entebbe, and Tuesday, March 21st for a return flight from Entebbe to Lusaka.

For the departing flight, it would be a 12:50PM flight, with a 4:30PM arrival in Nairobi, a short layover, a 6:10PM departure to Entebbe, and a 7:25PM arrival in Entebbe.

On the way back it is similar, leaving Entebbe at 5:30AM, connecting in Nairobi and arriving in Lusaka by 10:00AM sharp.

So, given the above information, I would be very surprised if it were easier to connect Botswana with Uganda.

For a happy medium on the weather AND the pricing, perhaps a May safari would work out well. Here is just one sample itinerary:

Taj Pamodzi Hotel, Lusaka (1) (This is the most luxurious hotel in Lusaka and is likely not more than $200 per night)

Luangwa River Lodge, South Luangwa (4)

Tafika or Puku Ridge, South Luangwa (3)

(Depart South Luangwa by 9:30AM, in order to be back in Lusaka by 11:00AM for the 12:50PM flight to Entebbe)

Entebbe, Uganda (1)

Gorilla Trekking and ??? (5)

Entebbe, Uganda (1)

(5:30AM flight to Lusaka, arriving at 10AM, connecting to a light air transfer to Lower Zambezi)

Chongwe River Camp or Chiawa (5) (four nights may be sufficient, but five nights gets you a nice discount from the lodges)

End the safari just prior to June 01st high season pricing and you have gone while the daytime weather in Zambia will be great and the nighttime weather in the Lower Zambezi is not yet too cold. Very easy looking connection to see the Mountain Gorillas in Uganda.

Thanks for inspiring me to do the above exercise...honestly, I never would have thought that a Zambia/Uganda connection was so simple! :)

If you are set on seeing the gorillas, you might as well go all the way. Bwindi for the apes, fly to the Serengeti, fly to Mahale(Greystoke) for the Chimps, then direct to South Luangwa(Robin Pope)for a chance at seeing dogs and on to Botswana. Its now possible to combine all of this without roundabout connections. You definitely will be avoiding the crowds and flying over some of the wildest and least visited sections of East and Southern Africa.

Thanks Rocco for your efforts,
I probably don't even want to know the price on the above - it's already making me need a paperbag :D - I am curious though, I'll have to look it up.

I do want this next trip to be somewhat reasonably priced (is there really such a thing)(: My 2008 trip will be the bigger,longer and more costly one.

The primary reason to add on a second destination would be to see dogs - perhaps when Preditor and Dennis come back from Zambia, they'll report magical dog sightings and my Zambian dilemma will be solved.

Luangwablond:
Why do you think the Emerald season is a sales ploy of sorts? Do any others feel this way?
Thanks;
Sherry

Sorry, I think it is silly to talk about which lodges are best (!!) when cybor hasn't even agreed to put up with the temperatures in either Botswana or S.Luangwa in Jan/Feb. If serious about 85 degree max, this should be a deal breaker.

Luangwablondes, who knows this area well, has mentioned that the temps are high in both S. Luangwa & Botswana. First figure out whether this is a deal-breaker before we start pitching our favorite lodges!

Next, dogs are much harder to see than other predators. There are not very many of them, they range over very big areas, and they move very fast. Very very fast. Even if you get a report from someone who has sighted them, it is very typical that by the time your vehicle gets there, they have moved on and are unlocatable.

The best way to see them is to pick an area and time where the probability is higher, then spend lots of time there. 2-3 days may not be enough if you really want to see them...perhaps 5 days might maximize your probability. I say this as a person who has had more luck than most (much more luck) in seeing wild dog in both Zambia and Botswana.

Now realize that even if you REALLY want to follow every lead to find the dogs, the other people at your camp may not have this burning interest. For this reason, an event like Wild Dog safaris at Robin Pope Safaris probably maximizes your chance. First the researcher who is tracking them is involved, second, all the people attending have a similar passion, and it is traditionally a good time of year to see them in South Luangwa. Nothing assured, but traditionally considered the best time. LuangwaBlondes is right, marketing this as "wild dog week" is marketing, but that doesn't negate the fact the it meets all the criteria for African Painted Dog lovers(APD). I have heard that green season is best for dogs for years, long before any specialized marketing efforts.

For some reason, the folks here are always dissing Robin Pope Safaris, the operation now hosting the new Dog project in Luangwa and running Wild Dog Week. Since none of these people have ever stayed there, I don't think this should be taken very seriously. RPS, like WS in Botswana has no trouble keeping their camps full, and they provide a very high standard of service, like WS. It can't all be attributed to marketing: if they didn't deliver, they wouldn't get repeat business from individuals and travel agents. RPS are also helping APD conservation (by hosting the research camp and offering logistical support, not a trivial thing), as they help themselves with a marketable new "product" that answers the needs of tourists who want to maximize their chances of APD sightings. So what is the problem with that?

That said, this time of year (Jan/Feb, even March) is not the best time for many other things (including pleasant weather, lower insect counts/malaria threat, access to many roads in the park (as many are totally closed due to rainy season conditions), walking (not permitted when the grass is high) or sighting other animals (which disperse with the rainy season & can be difficult to find with high grass. I'm not saying it is bad--it is beautiful, a glorious time for birding, less crowded and touristed, and a good time to TRY to see APD.
If Kwando could make any assurances about willingness to give up on lions, cheetahs, etc. to track the dogs, they would be good too. (And their guide & tracker system is to be much commended.) So would Chitabe--it is wonderful for a wide diversity of animals, and I've had incredible dog sighting there, but I have NOT been there during the green season (so my comment fits right in here ha ha) I believe there is a research project in the Chitabe area too, although I don't believe that any of the camps involve the researchers in trackng or game drives.

Sorry to sound so irritable. But I thought this inquiry was about seasonal choices and ways to maximize seeing certain things. If all the responses ignore that, talk about experiences during a very different time of year, and don't tell cybor why this time of year is considered the off-season, we are doing her/him (can't recall!) a disservice at the question of maximizing dog sightings or the weather/temperature limit, it sounds great but it doesn't answer the questions. Thus it could be highly misleading advice. Yes, you loved your time there, but is it the right advice for cybor, given her stated interests, limitations & needs?

well said ddgatina

ddgatina,

I am sorry you have upset yourself over this. I do not believe that you should be upset by others talking highly of Luangwa River Lodge, Puku Ridge or any other non RPS camp.

Just as some operators will only send guests to RPS camps, other operators will send clients to the lodges that they know and trust. For my first safari to South Luangwa, my agent, African Travel Inc. first insisted that I NOT go to Zambia, and when I proved unrelenting, then they insisted that I ONLY book at RPS. Well, I had other ideas, and threatened to take my booking elsewhere if they did not book me the 5 night itinerary that I wanted at Kafunta.

The only reason why I stuck with African Travel Inc. is because they had lined up good pricing on my international air. Now I know of other air sources that are just as competitive that will not insist on also booking the lodges.

You mention the Wild Dog Week at RPS, but this is in February, which will be very hot. I specifically mentioned the month of May to Sherry because I believe this offers the best combination of pricing, weather and there is still a chance to see Wild Dogs as late as about mid to late May, although I agree that seeing them would be very lucky.

Also, while you may see it as a positive that companies such as RPS and WS are always full, I do not see it the same way. I would personally much rather go to a lodge that has managed to stay a bit under the radar, as I know that it will be a more intimate experience with a far greater likelihood of private or half full vehicles. There is no benefit to going out on a fully packed game vehicle, that much is certain.

Just as Phil was recently able to enjoy at Puku Ridge and Luangwa River Lodge, at these same camps I also enjoyed many completely private game drives and even had the camp to myself on a few occasions at Kasaka River Lodge, Puku Ridge and Luangwa River Lodge. This should not be considered a negative against them, only that they are each newer camps and have not yet been discovered. I would even venture to say it is because many major tour operators have long standing relationships with the longer established operators like RPS and Norman Carr, that they are not doing their clients any favors to sample the latest (and greatest?) in the newer camps.

RPS is to be commended for all the community service and wildlife protection that they have done. However, they are not the only ones. Most every lodge in South Luangwa belongs to the South Luangwa Conservation Society, the same non-profit anti-poaching group that I donated the two new bicycles to on my recent visit. Although they don't publicize it on their website, Luangwa River Lodge sponsored a major concert in Mfuwe a few months ago to benefit HIV+ people, flying in the most prestigous Zambian musical artists to perform. A concert like this with the quality of musicians that performed had not previously been seen in Mfuwe.

One other major consideration...while Luangwa River Lodge and Puku Ridge are open nearly year-round (LRL will close from Dec. 01st to Jan 22nd), two-thirds of RPS camps shut down for seven months out of the year.

DDGatina...I do wish you only the best with your safari at RPS and I am sincerely sorry if you believe that I slighted you in any way by recommending that you split your time between the northern part of the park and the southern part of the park. I went back and looked at an old message, and I first recommended that you try to spend some of your time at Nkwali rather than entirely at Nsefu & Tena Tena. It was only when you responded that Nkwali was unavailable for your dates that I then suggested you consider some other camps in the Mfuwe sector of the park.

In closing, with three prior visits to South Luangwa, and with visits to luxury lodges such as Singita, Simbambili and Vuyatela, I do believe that I am very qualified to declare that each Luangwa River Lodge and Puku Ridge (as well as Chichele Presidential Lodge) rank with the best lodges in Southern Africa. It is unfortunate if one interprets this as a slighting of other South Luangwa camps that I have not yet visited.

Sorry, Roccco, I think I didn't state this well...I think you provide wonderful information, info not easily available elsewhere. My rant was not about recommendation lodges or operators per se, but about recommending them without first addressing, or adding caveats about things like time, temperature, and especially state wildlife interests, etc. Particularly when a poster is really clear about what criteria they have. It appeared to me that cybor is looking at adding on to a Feb safari to Tanzania/Seychelles in February, so recommending a place in May is a little off schedule...and might have confused things because these places really have issues for her (high temps, closed roads, high grass) during the season she did ask about...but she might miss that in all the talk about what great lodges they are. (And I am sure they are.)

I react this way because a trip to Africa is a big deal for me--so much money, so much time-- that misunderstanding how a place is --or is not--during a certain season is really important to me. Don't get me wrong-- green season in this region has it's many pluses and charms, which I think I have been clear about. But it is emphatically NOT the same as dry season travel, and someone shouldn't travel there unless they know this, choose it and are ready for it.

Also, when a poster states that their primary reason to add this destination is to see African Painted (Wild) Dog, as good as the other lodges are, I think it is unusual to NOT mention the one (Nkwali) where the main researcher is located, and thus likely to provide the most up-to-date info on the packs. Also the place where other dog lovers are likely to be given the marketing of these special safaris. Do not think that this is trivial...imagine sharing a vehicle with people who only want to see-- say, lions, this has happened to me!-- and who don't care to drive around trying to locate or catch up with the elusive dogs. Unless you have hired and are assured a private vehicle too, this is a fact of life on safari, compromising with other visitors.

But in any case, this could all be moot unless cybor is prepared to deal with those high temps and other green season challenges.

Hold on--
I have seen wild dog only a couple times in the Luangwa Valley.Robin Pope seems to be the only operation to report dog sightings of any recurring frequency. You got to remember that it is the rainy season, and South Luangwa has alot of black cotton soil which makes many parts impassable. That is reason they developed all season tracks in the Mfuwe area of South Luangwa-to give it accessability year round. So, if ones heart is set on seeing dogs, the only place to possibily recommend is Robin Popes' at that time of year. Not his bush camps but his property around Nkwali
Also, Because of limited access to the park,the possibilities of lots of mozzies,rain, full growth vegetation to limit game viewing, I'm not sure this is the time of year for me. Although pictures indicate it is quite beautiful.
The alteratives at this time of year to the best of my knowledge for what cybor wants remains with Botswana which has consistent reported sightings. Zambia and Zimbabwe are in the rainy season. Tanzanian dogs are not as easy to find and view-wonderful to make sweeping generalizations, even though the largest population is in the Selous-Ruaha area.

Just to quote a very top notch guide in Kwando- Ras........he said whenever you go out looking for a specific animal or whatever........there are chances you would end up disappointed, as you may score a blank and not enjoy the other sightings as much as you are too fixated on a specific thing

However, the Linyanti/Kwando/selinda area is one of the best places for dogs........infact predators in general. I have read a lot of good things about the high quantity and quality of dog sightings in chitabe.

ddgatina,

Okay...I see where the misunderstanding has set in. Sherry (Cybor) is planning her NEXT safari, and she says this in her very first sentence of her opening post of this thread. Although buried in my post that you reacted to, I mentioned the month of May as a time that may work well for her due to the weather, pricing and possibility of seeing wild dogs. This is not to say that she has a great chance of seeing wild dogs, but if she does, she is much more likely to see them between March - May, although Dennis (matnikstym) saw them during his October 2005 visit to Luangwa River Lodge.

I see your point about not mentioning the Wild Dog Safari at Nkwali, but I am just not a fan of planned departure dates where the lodge is very likely to be completely full. Plus, I just don't think that February is as good a time to visit as May and the weather would be warmer than Sherry said she wanted.

Please don't read too much into my comments. Just because I am praising a couple camps, does not mean that I am slamming non-mentioned camps. Personally, I have not yet met a South Luangwa lodge/camp that I did not like! :)

ddgatina...sorry, just one more parting comment. Originally I was not even going to respond to this thread and e-mailed Sherry (Cybor) my initial response. It was only at her urging, thinking that I posted some very relevant information that would benefit all, that I agreed to post it as a response to her initial post. Then, in wanting to both find the answer for Sherry and for myself, I researched whether or not it was difficult to get from Lusaka to Entebbe, and I shared the results.

Anyway, I am sure that you are going to have a GREAT time at Nsefu & Tena Tena. How much longer before your safari?

lbj

I took your advice and had a look on the Selinda website. No mentioning of dogs.
However their discussion board was all about the 3 P`s!! (porn, pills and poker). They ought to clean up their website
Yes the large pack I was referring to is the one you call the Selinda Pack.
Even though they were denning in Selinda in 2005 they were denning at Duma Tau in 2004 and outside the denning period they are spending a lot of time at Kwando. Maybe they should be named the Duma Tau/Selinda/Kwando pride?.
Selinda did not have denning dogs in 2004 according to guests from Selinda that I met at Kwando. Kwando on the other hand have had dogs denning for 9 straight years.

Mv,

Selinda has had that pack den at Zibilanja for the last four out of five years. 2004 as you mention was the year they were at Duma Tau. Predator Biologist is talking of the small Lagoon pack, the one i was orignally referring to. I heard there are only two dogs remaining, maybe a few more. Predator Biologist said they are now breeding late, which is very interesting. I think until this year the Lagoon pack was larger. Steve referred to the 21 pack as the selinda pack, saying the Lagoon pack was a split from them. They do spend time around Lebala. Though from what Steve said, they have spent alot of this year along the Selinda Spillway.

There is also a small pack, known as the Savuti/Linyanti pack which is made up of three dogs.

ddgattina,

I hope you enjoy your trip to the Luangwa. If at Nwakli in Feb your should have a very good chance of seeing the dogs that frequent the Mfuwe area. You often find alot predators close to the roads that time of year too. It is easier for them to move around. Lions sometimes sleep on this warmer ground than wet grass.

Hello,
It appears that I've hit a passionate subject here and thank you all for your honest and helpful answers.

In Rocco's defense, I did indeed ask him to send in Zamian info., as I know others are thinking of going to Zambia.

I'm gathering that looking for dogs may be a newish phenomenon which is why there's not lots of info. out there to peruse - true? If true, is it also because the areas where dogs are to be found haven't until recently been all that accessible?

Although I do want to go to Zambia at some point, are you saying that if I'm hell bent on seeing dogs, that Botswana is the best place to see them during the US winter months. Can someone compare Botswana sightings to the sightings of the same period at S. Luangwa?

Also, Phil said the temps during his trip weren't so horrible, maybe he was too busy shooting (:.
I can't seem to find a temp. guide, can you tell me approx. temps for areas being considered?

Also, who amounst you, has seen dogs during the winter months, in any country?

I may be able to get a few friends to join us to bring the price down as well.

Again many thanks for your thoughts, it's all good info.
Sherry

Sherry

there are a few threads about seeing dogs that you may want to read.
If your key objective is to see dogs
you will want to go during their denning period as the adults will be returning to the den morning and evening to feed the puppies.
The typical denning period in Southern Africa is from June through August. As you will want to see the puppies playing outside the den July and first half of August will be the prime time.
As you can probably read from the posts
they dont always den at the same den site. I would advise you to chose 2 or 3 areas that are known for dogs and spend some days at each place to maximise your chances. If you can afford a private vehicle/guide that will help as you can spend as much time as possible looking for the dogs.
In Botswana I would look at Kwando Lagoon/Lebala, Selinda/Zibalianja, Duma Tau/Savuti and Chitabe/Chitabe Trails. If you chose a couple of these camps in July/August you are almost guaranteed to see dogs.
Temperatures will range from about 40 up to the low 80`s, It will however feel quite cold in the early morning and evening

Michael

Michael

If Wild Dogs are the priority, it seems that Lebala seems to produce the most reliable sightings, no matter the season.

I do think a first time visitor to Zambia would be wise to go in high season in order to also visit the Lower Zambezi, except in a case like Phil D's, where there is an intense photographic expedition focusing on one area for an extended time.

My sources now tell me that Wilderness Safaris has locked up a place in, at least, Kafue NP, and that they will announce it soon. I have not had any luck contacting one major operation in Kafue for the past couple weeks and that does lead me to speculate that perhaps it is because they may now be a Wilderness property.

Anyway, my source tells me that Wilderness will be having a party next month to announce their Zambian acquisitions.

On another related note, CCAfrica will have Londolozi until March 2007 but then it may no longer be a CCAfrica property after this date.

Sherry: the reason its difficult to pin down the dogs whereabouts is simply their behaviour. Each pack has a large area that they use throughout the year. Other than denning they are constantly moving to different areas within their range. It is beleived that they move frequently so that their prey does not become too heightened to their presence which is one reason they are the most successful hunters in the world -- about 85% of hunts result in a kill. This is why it is common for them to be seen at one camp on March 1 but then not again until March 14.

Botswana has the highest density of dogs that occur in touristed areas. Selous in Tanzania has a great population but most of the area is inaccessible. Couple that with the wilderness feel and exceptional other wildlife and Botswana is the place to go.

As Michael points out the real time to plan a dog trip to Botswana is July to early August when they are denning. Once the dens are located it is pretty much a given that you will see the dogs.

I have never been able to go during that time of year as during U.S. summer I have my own fieldwork to do plus it is much easier on the budget to go during Botswana summer. I was lucky enough to see a pack of 21 make a kill at Duma Tau in January 2003. At all the Botswana camps mentioned in this thread dogs are often seen during the months you wish to travel but it is just as possible that you could miss them. If you are tied to Jan-Mar for your trip I would suggest you consider going to Madikwe in South Africa in combination with Botswana. Madikwe is a very large fenced reserve that is rehabilitated farmland with over 10,000 mammals reintroduced. Wild dogs are a specialty of the area that are almost always seen if you stay 3 or 4 nights during anytime of year. It is probably the closest thing there is to gauranteed dog viewing without it being denning season. Madikwe also offers a good chance to see rhino which can only be found from about 3 camps in Botswana. No doubt Madikwe probably lacks the wilderness feel of some other areas but you will have that with Botswana. This is what I am doing in March to hopefully tip the dog finding scales in my favor -- 4 nights in Madikwe and then 7 in Botswana. I will be sure and provide a report on my return.

Good advice here about Botswana and dogs. While Botswana has seasons too, the rains are not as extreme as they can be in Zambia, so the off-season more predictable.

The thing about weather everywhere is it's unpredictability--hence the hedging about temperatures. It's the variation that gets you, so if it is true that you don't like temps over 85 degrees, this is not a good time to go to Zambia, because it is very likely that the temps will be over 90, over 95, maybe even over 100. Worst at mid-day of course, but in South Luangwa, a low-lying river valley, the temps often don't drop much at night. (And don't use Lusaka temperatures as an indicator--this area is much higher in altitude and thus much cooler than the river valleys. The same day that is delightfully mild in Lusaka can be extremely hot and more humid in the river valleys.) Amount of rain is unpredictable too, but one should not go to Zambia at his time of year and expect dry weather!

And while we all hope that the dogs will prosper and that Zambia will be a place to see them, there are not many here, yet, as compared to Botswana. A few years ago, the few dogs that remained in Luangwa were only seen during the green season, and by the time tourists arrived they had disappeared into more inaccessible areas of the park.
It is just in the last year or two that the dogs have made themselves more of an attraction in the dry season by hanging around accessible areas, which is certainly good for dog-lovers and and for Luangwa tourists. We'll just have to see if that continues this year and beyond, but the experience Dennis had certainly makes us hopeful.

Roccco: everything's cool! I can't wait until you return from your trips to Tanzania & Botswana and have enthusiastic recommendations about even more places in Africa. And with more trips to Africa during a range of seasons, you'll see what I am talking about with regard to seasonality.

Hi again,
It sounds like your saying Botswana may be the place to go, with a possible dog insurance trip to Madikwe.

I think I can handle some extra heat to see dogs, providing it's not so humid that steam will come off the top of my head :(( - hate that.

I guess I'll sneak around some sites to check out what's being offered. I'm all ears for suggested itinerarys and co. to check out. Please remember I'm not as wealthy as Rocco (:.

Thank you for taking the time to answer;
Sherry

And thanks to Rocco for doing the legwork on flights in and out of Uganda. Even if Sherry doesn't end up doing this, it's very helpful information.

So are all the facts about wild dogs.

"all ears": haha, just like the dogs, eh?

Hey, I resemble that remark ((&)).

Hello,

Seeing wild dogs is always a highlight of being on safari for me, and I would second the recommendation of Botswana as giving you the best odds of seeing them. You'll want to focus on the Linyanti/Kwando/Selinda area, and ideally have a private vehicle so you can focus on the dogs. To really maximise your chances of seeing the dogs, I would suggest some time (3-4 nights each) at Lebala, Selinda, and one of the WIlderness camps (Savuti or Duma Tau). This would cover all three main reserves in that area so you wouldn't be frustrated by finding out that the dogs have decided to den on the reserve next door to the one you've chosen.

Are you locked into the Tanzania dates? If not, I'd suggest moving the entire trip to late July/early August to give you the best chance of seeing the dogs. The reason people have been suggesting this time is it's the only time of year when the wide-ranging dogs are easier to track down since they are denning, and their activities are circumscribed by the need to stay close to the den. If you're lucky, you'll see pups, and it will also be much more pleasant from a weather standpoint.

One thing that no one has really emphasised is how humid it is in Southern Africa during January and February. Humidity greatly increases the effects of high temperatures, and the temps can go up to 100+. 100+ in extreme humidity is not the same as 100+ in a dry area like California. You're from the East Cost -- think in terms of a summer scorcher in Washington DC or New York.

Neither the Kwando or the Selinda camps have fans or other cooling systems. The Wilderness camps have fans, which may be a consideration if you're concerned about the heat.

Cheers,
Julian

Thanks Julian,
My trip to Tanzania/Seychelles is a done deal, as I will depart Feb. 10, 06.

It's my next years trip '07' that I'm working on now. If possible, I usually try to escape during our winter months and see that the trips to Botswana will be less costly during those times, which is a plus. I know I'm greedy and want it all, dogs, winter months, less people, good weather at a discounted price no less.

Your advise about the humidity and temps. of 100 does however, give me pause and may make me have to rethink some of this.

Much appreciative;
Sherry

Sherry -

Tanzania will be hot during February, but dry. That is if the delayed rains don't come while you're here. Feb - Mar is summer in East Africa. Some of the properties have fans, but while out on game drives be sure to use the SPF on exposed skin, a hat when not covered by vehicle roof or on game walks.

The Seychelles are almost always hot and humid. So be prepared for the "frizzies" - though, most all accommodations have a/c, depending though... may only be ceiling fans.