RedlineSi

So I just wanted to run a few things by people who have been here during the Christmas Holiday's. My GF and I are both 26 and going to NYC Dec. 17th-20th. I've been to NYC for work, but not in Manhattan, and she's never been. We want to do and see as much as possible, including seeing a Broadway show. We are staying at the W Times Square.

What things are a must? What should we skip? We don't mind some of the more touristy things since this is our first time. We want to go to Rockefeller center and see all the stores Holiday displays on 5th, as well as go to Central Park. We will probably also visit the Museum of Natural History. There are a ton of other things we've read about, but any ideas would be great. Food ideas would be excellent as well, as we both like nice restaurants. Also, if anyone could recommend a few neat NYC bars for us to go to at night for drinks. Nothing cluby, but more of a lounge and some place romantic. Maybe the King Cole bar or Oak Room?

Thanks so much!

PamEwing

I highly recommend seeing the show Jersey Boys. Really fun!

janiekins

You should also post on Trip Advisor in tne New York City forum. You will get some great ideas.

MikeT

What a great time to go to NYC. Just make sure you are prepared for possible cold weather.

mclaurie

If you want an overview tour, kingofnyc.com or realnewyorktours.com are good options. The first uses a bus, the second uses subway and walking. I'd avoid the temptation to do a hop on/off bus tour as traffic is terrible at that time and you'll freeze.

Here's a map that plots the main store windows to see.
http://gonyc.about.com/od/christmass...maswindows.htm

You should buy tickets to a show in advance so you don't waste time standing in lines. There might be discounted tickets you could buy in advance, but you'll have to wait a bit. Most of the discounts currently listed expire before your trip. Look at the left column of broadwaybox.com to get an idea of what's usually discounted. To recommend a play or show, we'd have to know more about your tastes or what you've liked before. Shows like Jersey Boys, Wicked, Lion King are never discounted and since it's holiday time, some of the typical discounts may not be available. The Radio City Xmas Spectacular is a show everyone likes to see at least one. It's part kitsch, part fun. You may be able to pick up same day discount tix for that at the TKTS booth. They do 5 shows/day. Off Broadway can also be a lot of fun and less expensive.

If I were to visit only one museum as an adult, it wouldn't be the Natural History. Where are you from and what are your interests?

The King Cole Bar and the Oak Room (at the Plaza hotel?) are classic NY places but you might be the youngest ones there. You might check out urbandaddy.com for info on younger/hipper options. The lower east side is a good place to drink and dine as well as village.

With a short visit, I'd suggest you each make a list of maybe 3 things you absolutely want to/have to see and make sure you do those.

MariaHart

The holidays are definitely a romantic time to come to the city. I agree with all of mclaurie's suggestions above. I would also add that it would be fun to get a sweeping view of NYC, say at Top of the Rock or the rooftop of the Met. And if you want to do a high-end bar with that type of view, you could go to the Salon de Ning, in the Peninsula Hotel.

Another classic NYC experience is getting brunch! Balthazar is a bit of a splurge, but it's delicious food in a lovely SoHo-by-way-of-Paris space. After brunch, you can do a little window shopping in SoHo. Walk through the Prada store on Broadway just to get a kick out of their design. Have fun!

MariaHart

Oh, and one more bar suggestion: The Campbell Apartment in Grand Central Terminal. If you're looking for something swanky and "Old New York" that would be my first choice!

nytraveler

Agree that King cole Bar and oak Room are definitely for an older group - check out TimeOut New York for options more suited to younger people.

Agree to get you b'way tickets in advance. Also consider the Nutcracker at Lincoln Center - we do everyyear. (I can;t reco the Christmas Spectacular at the Music Hall - although I know many adults like it - I just can't see it - but I've been watching thing like it since I was about 5- so perhaps I'm jaded.)

Defiitely visit the Met - which has something for everyone - go to the web site in advance to see what you like - at a minimum do the Temple of Dendur and Egyptian sections, perhaps the Costume Institute (you don't have to/won;t have time to see the whole thing).

Besides seeing the tree at Rock Cener and Top of the Rock walk across the street to St Pat's - which is gorgeous for the holidays. The best windows start at Lord & Taylor (38th) and hed farther up Fifth and then over to Bloomies. To avoid the worse crowds do these as a walk after dinner - there will still be a lot of people, but not the masses you get before aobut 10 or 11 pm.

Definitely try ice skating at one of the many rinks - and try to see a variety of tree (the Met has an antique Neapolitn tree and creche, Natural History an origami tree).

Also check out the events section of Ne York magazine the week before you go - it has hundred of options, often not announced until a couple of weeks in advance - for all sorts of special holiday events.

Do at leat one boat ride - even if only the Staten Island ferry - but try for a warmer day so you can enjoy it.

You will find a much greater choice of good food at inexpensive/moderate prices if you head for the residential areas (upper west side, village, east village, SoHo) than you'll find midtown (which has a lot more upscale at big $ and ghstly chain places with the same awful micro-nuked stuff they serve at the local mall - but at muchhigher prices).

If you give info on yuor favorite cuisines peope can make specific restaurant recos. (A couple of our favorites on the upper west side are Kefi - Greek - Gennars - Italian - and Ocean - obvious.) Menupages.com allows yuou to search by area and cuisine and gives actual menus with prices. It also lets you select for plaes that have prix fixe lunches or dinners - some pre or post theater.

Aduchamp1

The most elegant Christams tree in NYC is the one at the Met Museum. For romantic settings for a meal-River Cafe in Brooklyn and Water Club and One if By Land. The last restaurant has long had a reputation as having poor food but they hired a new chef and it seems it has approved but I have not been there to persoanlly attest to that.

nytraveler

Of the 3 the River Cafe has, IMHO, by far the best food. Current prix fixe dinner is $98 per person, plus wine, tax and tip.

RedlineSi

Thanks for the quick replies everyone! I really appreciate it. I'm from Minnesota, so the cold wont be an issue. If the weather is decent, we might do one of the boat tours. I've heard it is worth it and you get to see a lot of Manhattan.

What about going to the Empire State Building? Is it better to go during the day or night?

Some of the shows we were looking into are Chicago, West Side Story, or Jersey Boys. I think we'd enjoy any of them and we plan on buying tickets in advance so we don't have to worry about it when we get there.

Has anyone ate at either of Gordon Ramsey's places in the London NYC? What about Bobby Flay's Bar Americain?

The bar suggestions are great. Anyplace that is "New York" and still something where people our age go is exactly what we're looking for.

Thanks!!!

nytraveler

Do not do the Empire State Building the lines are horrendously long. Much better to do Topof the rock and do it around sunset - so you see the city both in daylight and lit up at night. You can get advance times tickets - so no waiting.

Chicago is kind of tired - but the dancing is great if you haven;t seen it. The other two are excellent. Get tickets now - if you still can. Try broadwaybox.com first for discounts, then the regular online seller for full -price - then scalpers if necessary (stubhub.com is reliable).

RedlineSi

Thanks NYTRAVELER. My GF read a few bad reviews about Chicago, so we were leaning towards another show. My parents recently saw Jersey Boys in Las Vegas and said it was fantastic.

I've heard the lines can be terrible. Is this still the case with advanced tickets? I've heard the view at Top of the Rock is just as good. Either way, I agree, sounds like sunset is the time to go!

I'll check out the sites you listed for tickets!

Thanks again!

sf7307

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Look at it this way -- from TOTR you can see the Empire State Building. So the view is better!

Aduchamp1

I went to the Top of the Rock for the first time this weekend. I had young cousins in from Spain. They loved it and it was a rainy evening. There is the usual commercialism with possible photos and a junk store, but it is well done and there are many different and accessible views.

mclaurie

If you go to the ESB, go at dusk or at night and do Top of the Rock during the day to see Central Park.

Jersey Boys is never discounted. I highly recommend "In the Heights" which is often discounted and a great young show.

Gordon Ramsay doesn't get as good reviews as other restaurants of the same ilk. If I were going to splurge on a fancy restaurant, it's not where I would go. There are a number of outstanding restaurants like Le Bernardin (seafood), Asiate (Asian/French) and Jean Georges that do very affordable prix fixe lunches during the week. If you want to go to a Bobby Flay restaurant, I think Mesa Grill's menu is more interesting than Bar Americain.

For classic NY bars, many of the most memorable do attract an older crowd, but if you're just going for a drink, so what? Bemelman's Bar in the Carlyle hotel is lovely, quite famous and has a great piano player. This is uptown near the Metropolitan Museum (which, btw, is open late on Fri/Sat nights). The King Cole Bar in the St. Regis hotel on Fifth ave. is another with famous murals. For some more casual places, PJ Clarke's on 3rd ave. in midtown is a historic saloon and Old Town Bar is an historic place with good burgers too.

twina49

I agree about Top of the Rock vs. Empire State Building. Select your entry time and buy your ticket online, walk in and voila! - you are in an elevator heading for the first observation floor in a matter of minutes.

Prepare for crowds, crowds and more crowds. My daughter and I were there Dec. 28-29 last year, and it was probably even more crowded with people whose kids were off for a holiday break than what your dates will be, but be prepared and enjoy! It's a beautiful city, but especially when it's decorated for the holidays.

K_brklyn

Also check out the Union Square holiday market and there's also ice skating at Bryant Park.

Bars:
The living room at the W where your are staying is actually a popular place for younger folks to hangout for happy hour and late late nights.

A bar with a good view is 230 5th (the name is the same as the address) will give you an up close view of the ESB. It's worth going for the view.

Death & Co. http://www.deathandcompany.com/lounge/

PDT (enter through the phone booth)

Margo_Chester

Not a young/hip bar by any means, but the bar and lobby area of the Algonquin is very "old NYC" complete with resident cat Matilda and the history of Dorothy Parker and the Round Table (The Algonquin Round Table was a group of journalists, editors, actors and press agents that met on a regular basis at the hotel in New York. The group began lunching together in June 1919 and continued on a regular basis for about eight years. Supposedly Dorothy’s Ghosts haunts the hotel) The lobby has been recently refurbished and is very comfortable. Sat and had a few beers with my husband last time we were in town and it was nice not to be rushed. Unpretentious and relaxing, you do not need to be a guest of the hotel to enjoy the bar or lobby area. 59 West 44th Street, between 5th & 6th Ave.

RedlineSi

Thanks everyone for the replies! We are almost 30 days away! So excited!!!!