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x-chicgosuburbres Aug 8th, 2002 10:05 PM

Where's the best kosher corned beef?
 
I used to live in a northern suburb of Chicago? I've been craving a great kosher corned beef sandwich on Rosens rye.

George Aug 8th, 2002 11:08 PM

Anywhere in Skokie, Illinois. How about the pickles?

Le Habitant Aug 9th, 2002 09:34 AM

Schwartz' in Montreal on St. Laurent Ave is the best corned beef sandwich anywhere, bar none.

tony Aug 9th, 2002 09:37 AM

YO try Katz's Deli in NYC

Nikki Aug 9th, 2002 09:37 AM

Ummmmm - you're making my mouth water for a corned beef on rye or a pastrami on pumpernickel from Carnegie's deli (NYC) Jack's in Baltimore used to have a great one too.

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 09:46 AM

Nikki,<BR><BR>You ar right, Jack's USED to..but not anymore.<BR><BR>The same with Attman's in Balto.

xxx Aug 9th, 2002 09:52 AM

Skip Carnegie Deli and go straight to Second Avenue Deli!

Jason Aug 9th, 2002 09:54 AM

Katz's deli, followed by 2nd Avenue deli, followed by Carnegie Deli.

xxx Aug 9th, 2002 09:58 AM

Jason, no no no. It is Second Avenue Deli, followed by Katz's and Carnegie is not even on the list as the aren't Kosher. Neither is Stage.

yyy Aug 9th, 2002 10:07 AM

actually,xxx, neither is Katz's (kosher, that is...)

leahj Aug 9th, 2002 10:10 AM

Micheal's Deli, Harvard St, Brookline MA

Nikki Aug 9th, 2002 10:17 AM

okay so when I come to NY where do I go to get to 2nd ave deli?<BR><BR>Sorry guys - I'm from DC - need the directions

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 10:22 AM

Leah,<BR><BR>Is Michaels REALLY that good? Do the sell CB by the pound or just sandwiches.<BR>Do you know if it's kosher or not.<BR><BR>I'll be in Brookline in a couple of weeks and will check it out.<BR><BR>Thanks

ILive Aug 9th, 2002 10:23 AM

Nikki, 2nd Av deli is 2nd av at 10th st. Take the 4/5 train to 14th st/Union sq, or 6 to Astor Place or R/N to 8th St.

leahj Aug 9th, 2002 10:36 AM

Dick-<BR><BR>Michaels is new and are trying to build business so thier CB is excellent! 99.9% it is kosher. <BR><BR>If you're going to be in Brookline, then without a doubt check out Zaftig's on Harvard Street in Coolidge Corner. THeir CB is outstanding and IS kosher.<BR><BR>Enjoy!

xxx Aug 9th, 2002 10:37 AM

Can't believe a place called Micheals Deli would be kosher.

leahj Aug 9th, 2002 10:45 AM

xxx- Why can't you believe a place named Micheal's can't be kosher?? <BR><BR>Brookline MA is a very diverse community serving many ethnic populations. The restaurants serve what the community wants and enjoys...

xxx Aug 9th, 2002 10:49 AM

With the exception of Katz's, I would say that the best deli is not-kosher meat, the restaurant is merely "kosher style" in that they serve typically Jewish food. I would say that the best corned beef/pastrami in NYC is the Carnegie, and even better than that is Schwartz's in Montreal.

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 10:50 AM

Leah,<BR><BR>Thanks for the tip. I'll be visiting family in Brookline and make sure we check it out.<BR><BR>Just curious, does anyone out there remember the original Jack & Marion's on Harvard St.?

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 10:53 AM

xxx,<BR><BR>There really is no such thing as "kosher style". That's like saying vegetarian style.<BR>It's either kosher or it's not.<BR><BR>But you are right, many places make meats and call them "kosher style".

Nikki Aug 9th, 2002 11:05 AM

Hi again<BR><BR>Thanks for the directions to 2nd st Deli. <BR><BR>I am now puzzled by something else - how can something be kosher-style and not kosher?? I thought "Kosher" meant making the products under the direction of a rabbi and also inspected accordingly. You know not mixing the meat and dairy and adhering to "strict" kosher practices. Don't everyone laugh at once folks, remember I'm this little Irish gal who used to have some good Jewish friends. I had never heard of "kosher style". I guess I need to be enlightened.

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 11:15 AM

Nikki,<BR><BR>You have a pretty good understanding.<BR><BR>"Kosher style" is a meaningless term used for marketing.<BR><BR>Primarily, I think, it's used to sell to people that don't know or care and like to think that they are eating authentic food.<BR><BR>Even if a deli buys prepackaged Kosher corned beef, as soon at it touches their non kosher slicer, it no longer is considered kossher.

Nikki Aug 9th, 2002 11:24 AM

<BR>Oh Boy - thanks Dick I had forgotten that. and it's so right!! Oy Vey<BR><BR>Makes me want to have some @nd St Deli, Carnegie's or even some of the old extinct Saul's (scranton PA) good Jewish food.

s Aug 9th, 2002 11:35 AM

Katz is "kosher style", 2nd Avenue deli is "kosher". Both serve meat that goes through processing that makes the meat "kosher" So why is Katz "kosher style" and 2nd AVe Deli "kosher? Katz serves dairy products, 2nd Ave deli does not. You can't mix dairy and meat products. Then there is "glatt kosher. Stricter rules for processing meat and glatt kosher restaurants close on Friday nite and SAturday until sundown

me Aug 9th, 2002 11:39 AM

<BR>...but where is the best kielbasa?

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 11:39 AM

Yes, but kosher meat can become non-kosher depending on how it is handled.<BR><BR>Technically, corned beef that is kosher and then is placed on a non kosher plate is no longer kosher.

xxx Aug 9th, 2002 11:40 AM

I don't know why Micheals doesn't sound Kosher to me. No reason in particular and sorry if I offended anyone. Both Dick and S are correct. Kosher Style is a misnomer and Katz is not a Kosher Deli. The best one, hands down, is Second Avenue Deli.

Dick Aug 9th, 2002 11:42 AM

It doesn't mean that non kosher corned beef can't tast good.

DeeDee Aug 9th, 2002 11:47 AM

Ya think?

Parrot Mom Aug 9th, 2002 12:33 PM

Bypass Zaftigs...once you've had CB in NY you just can't compare... the size of the sandwich is tiny and just not as good. Had never heard of Michael's..but will try it.. Have found Maxi's in Canton, MA..absolutley delicious... but my mouth waters for NYC cornebeef,.. The last best one we had was in Wolf's sadly out of business.

Michael Aug 9th, 2002 09:56 PM

Sorry to rain on all of your parades, but most religious Jews would not consider the Second Avenue Deli to be kosher as its supervision is not mainstream and it stays open on Shabbat. I love the place, but if you look around you won't see anyone wearing a yarmulke. They just won't go there.

x Aug 10th, 2002 03:31 AM

I don't pretend to be a "kosher maven"<BR>but those restaurants that remain open on<BR>Friday night/Saturday do utilize supervision that is "mainstream". THose that close on the aforementioned days employ supervisiom that can hardly be called "mainstream" (Glatt kosher).

Michael Aug 10th, 2002 10:05 AM

X, you certainly are no kosher maven. Glatt has nothing to do with whether the restaurant stays open on Shabbat. Most mainstream certification requires that the restaurant closes on Shabbat for two reasons mainly. First, there obviously can be no supervision on Shabbat by the certifying authorities as they would not work that day, and second, if the place is owned by Jews who are earning money and working on the sabbath they can hardly be expected to care sufficiently about the laws of kashrut.

beefy Aug 10th, 2002 10:33 AM

Wolfies in Miami

xxx Aug 10th, 2002 01:19 PM

I thought Wolfies in South Beach closed?

Dick Aug 12th, 2002 04:05 AM

X,<BR><BR>Michael is right.<BR><BR>Who gave you that info that a deli could be kosher and still be open on Friday Night and Satruday?<BR><BR>If it came directly from a "kosher" deli that is open on Saturdays and claims to be supervised, it could be condered fraud and/or deception.

Ann Aug 12th, 2002 07:22 AM

Calling an establishment Kosher Style is just a euphemism for Jewish food style. Outside NYC another euphemism is New York Style. Actual kosher delis (and other establishments) would be closed on Shabbat for all the above mentioned reasons (and their main clientel would not patronize on Shabbat either). Anyone can buy/eat a kosher food item, but it's no longer kosher when served on non-kosher dishes. You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's rye bread (anyone remember this ad campaign?). Hebrew National sells lots of kosher dogs to non observant people and they're delicious. As for the CB in Montreal, Swartz's makes/sells smoked beef, not corned beef, and it's fabulous! I do remember Jack and Marion's in Brookline. They don't make em like that anymore...But the B&D Deli on Beacon St. in Brookline (just west of Washington St) is excellent. Back when my husband owned the Langley Deli in Newton Centre I thought his CB was the best, but who am I to judge?

Dick Aug 12th, 2002 07:41 AM

Ann,<BR><BR>I grew up near the Circle and was very familiar with your deli. The corned beef at Langley Deli was VERY good (non-related opinion.<BR><BR>Jack & Marianne's was great at their peak. In those days, regulars bypassed the line and were seated in the back(Tycoon Lounge, if I remember correctly).<BR><BR>

Ann Aug 12th, 2002 08:34 AM

Dick, thanks for the compliment! My husband owned the Langley from 1982-87, but didn't change much from when Bernie and Ruby owned it. He bought his CB from Pearl (famous for the hot dogs) which was not kosher, but the best taste/quality. I was never enough of a regular at J&M's to know about the no-wait status (but I remember when you could go up the back stairs at Durgin Park from the bar and avoid the wait). Didn't know too much about deli til I got married. Now I may know too much.


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