where to stay in San Fran

Oct 7th, 2003, 09:06 PM
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Goodness knows it has nothing to do with the dot.com bust, the sour economy and the general decline in tourism!
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Oct 7th, 2003, 09:23 PM
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When I was seeking a room last month, the biggest discounts were at Wharf and Nob Hill hotels.
And I was at the Parc 55, right in the heart of the Union Square area near the Powell Street cable car turnaround, two weeks ago and it wasn't exactly hurting for business. And it's guests came and went all hours of the day and night without any fear.
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Oct 8th, 2003, 07:57 AM
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martytravels: Hi, there! Glad you shave too - even if it is in another time zone!

rjw: Hi, pal! Bald IS beautiful! But we really, truly don't look the same then! Bushy eyebrows perhaps?

Good question, rjw - how many 4 and 5 diamond places? Questions like these always send me scurrying in search of statistics, so here goes!

According to AAA:
The largest concentration of four diamond hotels in San Francisco is in the Union Square area. I include in these statistics from Nob Hill down to Market Street.

There is just one 5 diamond place: The Ritz-Carlton at Stockton and California, which is sort of halfway down the hill from Nob Hill and just on the borderline of Chinatown.

The 4 diamond hotels are (in the order given by AAA on their location map):

The Fairmont San Francisco - NH
The Mark Hopkins Inter-Continental - NH
The Renaissance Stanford Court Hotel - NH
The Pan Pacific -USq
The Grand Hyatt San Francisco - USq
Campton Place Hotel - USq
Hotel Palomar - M
The Westin St Francis - USq
Hotel Monaco - USq
Hotel Nikko - USq
Palace Hotel - M
Hilton San Francisco - USq
The Argent Hotel - M
San Francisco Marriott - M
Renaissance Parc 55 - USq
Four Seasons San Francisco - M

NH=Nob Hill, M=Market Street, USq=Union Square

The Union Square hotels are clustered either on the square itself or in the few blocks north and west of the square. Past the hotels on the WEST is the supposedly "bad" Tenderloin area. If so many 4 diamond hotels are built that close to the Tenderloin, how really "bad" can the Tenderloin be? This is to debunk that repeated posting of "bad" Union Square and "bad" Tenderloin!

There is only one 4 diamond at Fisherman's Wharf: The Sheraton at Fisherman's Wharf

All the other chain names at Fisherman's Wharf: Hyatt, Hilton, Radisson, Holiday Inn, Best Western and so on are listed as 3 diamonds. There are about 15-20 3 diamond hotels in that area. Some very nice non-chain, single establishment hotels are included in this 3 diamond classification.

The Argonaut is too new to be listed, but suspect that it will fall into the 3 diamond category as well.

Fisherman's Wharf, being the most popular destination in San Francisco, will predictably give the most reasonable value for tourist hotel dollars. However, bargains can still be had at the 4 diamond establishments and I'd recommend that if anyone can get a great rate at a 4 diamond, then go for that hotel!

There are also a bunch of 3 diamond hotels along Van Ness. Not that Van Ness is a "bad" location, but lots of traffic. If you can get a 3 diamond hotel somewhere else, go elsewhere!

Hope these stats help in hotel selection in SF!
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Oct 9th, 2003, 06:49 PM
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*ahem* "Ranello", please stop making false accusations about your fellow posters. I am just me. By the way, please find a new article URL to post. Everyone is tired of seeing it.

By the way, SF still manages to get the big citywides-- the American Dental Association should get tens of thousands of dentists into The City. And isn't is fascinating that Apple Computer moved their own Tech Conference this year to SF from San José...?
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:21 PM
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SJ isn't a BAD place-- there are some cool things up there. I imagine ol' Pierce has been to San Francisco countless times-- taking his small kids to the Children's Discovery Museum in San José isn't so unusual for someone who LIVES in California. The Tech Museum is great too. However, this particular post is about San Francisco. And the fact still is: A hotel's cooperation with Priceline isn't a sign of desperation-- it's a smart way to manage seasonal extra capacity. With many Bay Area hotels heavily leveraged and suffering from 25% occupancy rate (especially the new hotels in downtown San Jos&eacute, this is prudent. And I still repeat: The ADA convention this month will fill SF's hotels to overflowing. Just the ebbs and flows of tourism and convention business.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:22 PM
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Oh, and the Apple conference was in June....
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:38 PM
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25% occupancy rate in some San José downtown hotels-- mostly the newer, swanky ones. Business journals note that some are having difficulty handling their debt.

But so what? This is not a SJ/SF debate, the original poster wants to know about San Francisco....
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:49 PM
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First of all, a good article about the tourism and convention business problems through year-end 2002 in the Bay Area:


But I must apologize-- the 25% occupancy rate was indeed an error (too many stats in the article cited below containing the number "25"-- it stuck! A danger for someone like me who works with hundreds of thousands of numbers a day...). Still, the June 2003 stats for the Silicon Valley and Peninsula areas:

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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:50 PM
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Ranello - isn't it past your bed time? You probably need to start thinking about what screen name you are going to use tomorrow. . . . . . . .
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:56 PM
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"Ranello", you're still wrong. Just as wrong as you were when you made these same claims under the alias of Bonnee, and BonneeJ before that, and then before that Gannet and Canello, and Jaredson and Chilin and....
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Oct 9th, 2003, 08:02 PM
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Well, of course. The other aliases have been shut down by Fodors....
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Oct 10th, 2003, 05:19 AM
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I see that the looney bin has been reopened.
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Oct 10th, 2003, 06:43 AM
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I stayed at the Crowne Plaza Union Square in April and it was reasonable, clean and a great location. The cable cars stop accross the street (at the Sir Francis Drake) which is very convenient. It's also within walking distance to China Town and downtown shopping. We did a little bit of everything while there (wharf, china town, wineries, etc.) and it worked great for us. Don't stay by the wharf. At night it seemed a little unsafe and would not be as convenient as Union Square. San Fran is a great place! You'll have fun wherever you stay!
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