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What to do? -Southwest flight attendant makes a mixed drink & takes into cockpit!

What to do? -Southwest flight attendant makes a mixed drink & takes into cockpit!

Aug 8th, 2004, 06:23 PM
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After watching the TV show "Airline," I can understand why a Southwest pilot might need a cocktail!
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Aug 8th, 2004, 09:39 PM
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Soccr: you don't report these types of matters to the airlines, you report them to the FAA-the FAA is the governmental agency with sole responsibility for regulating aviation safety rules for flight crews on Part 121 carriers-which is what Southwest airlines is-a commercial carrier. They are the sole governmental agency with responsibility to fine carriers and take enforcement action against a carrier where a crew member is in violation of the Federal Aviation Regulations.

It does not sound to me as if the pilots were the problem-it sounds to me like the flight attendant was the one who was drinking, and disguising a drink in a soft drink is a very easy thing to do-the F/A could then have walked into the cockpit, sat down and chatted with the crew, and no one would have known the difference.

Although drinking on the job for a F/A would not have the serious consequences that it would for a flight deck officer, it is no less a violation of the FARs for ANY working flight crew to imbibe alcohol while on the job. It is both a safety and security issue-a drink in the air is the equivalent of 2 on the ground. The F/A could have a drinking problem-by reporting it to the FAA-the FAA could open an enforcement case, and do stepped-up surveillance on the carrier, as well as making the carrier aware that it may have a problem crewmember on its hands.

That is why Deblynn needs to call the FAA at the number I provided and at the very least, report the matter, so the FAA can do what it is required to do when someone reports an alleged violation of the FARs. The carriers are not going to open an investigation and fine themselves, that's for sure!
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Aug 9th, 2004, 03:50 AM
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I think the followign words from the original poster tell us EVERYTHING we need to "know" about this "incident" and they are:
"Of course, the rest of my family did not want to stand in line after the flight to make a full report and use valuable vacation time."

Apparently those other members knew how serious this was and acted accrodingly.
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Aug 9th, 2004, 07:02 AM
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Maybe anyone overheard discussing a future trip to the Middle East should be reported to the airline for appropriate questioning and detainment also. And if the conversation is overheard while boarding, by all means have the plane grounded.
Same with people fiddling with their shoes. Who knows, could be plastic explosives in there!
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Aug 9th, 2004, 09:44 AM
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Huh? What kind of an idiotic comment is that Traveis? The OP was not reporting what she "heard" - she reported that she observed an alleged violation of the Federal Aviation Regulations-it is UNLAWFUL for any flight crewmember to imbibe alcohol while on the job- it is a safety issue. Hundreds of people have reported such alleged safety issues to the FAA-and the FAA checks them all out, then makes the decision to go forward with the matter, based on the evidence gathered. Indeed, the FAA WANTS the traveling public to do this, that is why the FAA has HOTLINE NUMBERS- which I will post in full, as well as the TSA Hotline Number for concerns about aviation security issues/incidents:


To report a concern about an FAA-monitored consumer issue: 1-800-322-7873

To report a concern about airline service, such as lost baggage or denied boarding: 1-202-366-2220 (not a toll call)

To report a concern about AIRLINE SECURITY: Either call toll-free to the TSA -1-866-289-9673, or go to their website and file a complaint at this address: www.tsa.gov/public/contactus
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Aug 9th, 2004, 09:56 AM
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Spygirl, you have a very valid point but Deblyn has not returned to answer any questions. I think that is curious (I am not implying anything just making an observation).
Aug 9th, 2004, 10:08 AM
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Deb: I would say that in the future, report it right away. This would mean that the airline and the FAA could look into it right away. I think that reporting later only enables the person to deny it with no way to prove it.
Aug 9th, 2004, 10:42 AM
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I'm with Spygirl.

Very hard for me to understand anyone advising someone not to make a phone call if she thinks she saw a flight attendant making an alcoholic drink for him/herself or someone in the cockpit.

I can't think of any reason not to do so, or for the observer to make some kind of judgment call on her own based on probabilities, and I can think of every reason for someone to report this observation in full knowledge that she does not know all the facts. It is not the job of the observer to make this discernment, it's the job of whomever she reports it to.

For all one know this is not the first behavior of this staff member, or cockpit crew, to be commented on. If we are making up stories - mine is that someone else has said she saw Mr X drinking on the job, Mr X successfully denied it, but complaint # 2 or 3 brings him under more scrutiny.

From a somewhat professional (mine) point of view - the inability to refrain from drinking on this kind of zero-tolerance job is an indicator of probable alcoholism; I don't want untreated alcoholics on flight staff.
(& from a more personal point of view, I am afraid I do know of one such person in a responsible flight staff position.)

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Aug 9th, 2004, 11:06 AM
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A stew's life, even a male one, is lonely, so perhaps he has an on-the-road thing for the pilot or his co- and was simply getting the party started a bit early. Besides, vodka is the obvious drink, being undetectable. I do hope, however, they locked the door behind him. Did you notice by chance whether the air marshall joined them? That's lonely work too!
Aug 9th, 2004, 11:16 AM
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But Blacktie, was the pilot tipped by the FA and was the monkey involved?
Aug 9th, 2004, 11:26 AM
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.... funny, and you might call it sheer coincidence, but we haven't heard from either Deb or the mon-key.
Aug 9th, 2004, 11:36 AM
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You all probably scared her!
Aug 9th, 2004, 12:45 PM
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This is either a case of MYOB or
BYOB , can't quite decide.
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Aug 9th, 2004, 01:14 PM
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No, it is BYOM l)
Aug 9th, 2004, 01:15 PM
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I can't get the monkey to work! How do I make the monkey?????

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