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Shar Sep 22nd, 2004 07:18 AM

VRBO
 
Be careful when renting from VBRO. ALthough it may be cheaper, you get what you paid for. Twice we have used VRBO and twice we have not been happy. There are advantages to having a management company on board so that any problems can be taken care of immediately. Kauai was a major disappointment because it was a place we have always wanted to stay at Poipu. Location was great (Poipu Shores)with waves crashing on the rocks outside your lanai but the unit, although many upgrades, was not being taken care of and wasn't very clean. The owner is not being very nice as he disputes everything we told him was wrong because the previous occupants did not complain. We won't be getting our money back but We had to move out so that we could enjoy our week. Just keep that in mind when you use VRBO. We won't be using them again.

Patrick Sep 22nd, 2004 07:43 AM

This is interesting. I've never used VRBO but have read many happy reports from people who have. I have reviewed the website for a number of places, but often find the information missing a lot of important details, for example: what floor is it on, is there an elevator, where EXACTLY is it located (I like to look at the "yellow Pages" pictures in Paris for example to see the street), but they don't seem to want to give out that information. I seem unable to get more information on most apartments, but get a general, "more information will be provided when you book" -- Huh?

I do see the potential problems because unlike rentals that are being handled by a local firm which checks things out, many of the VRBO seem to be totally "self-managed" by long distance owners trying to avoid paying anyone to service the apartments properly. Yea, the whole thing sort of scares me, and although many people have good experiences, I can sure understand how you could get a bad one like you had.

pdxgirl Sep 22nd, 2004 08:26 AM

We have rented through VRBO several times and have not been disappointed. Of course, the whole point of VRBO is that it is a service used by individual owners. Every owner is different and has different standards and approaches to management of his or her rental unit. You do take some chances and you should be careful to do your research. I can't believe an owner would not give any info requested before booking. If they refused, I would not book that unit. But we've never had a problem with the places we've found through VRBO and I continue to recommend them, especially for condos in Hawaii.

JohnD Sep 22nd, 2004 08:52 AM

I think sites like tripadvisor or Fodors are most helpful when people share positive or negative experiences (e.g. Trip Report) about the hotel/condo's they stay in so people who have not been there before have an idea what they may be in for.
:S-
Have rented a couple of condo's listed on <font color="blue">vrbo</font> on Maui and Kaua`i and also had good experiences, which I attribute to reading Fodors and considering <font color="blue">bible</font> info.

Suzie Sep 22nd, 2004 08:57 AM

I found the problem with VRBO is that they require all the money up front to hold a reservation. Most agencies require a deposit and then accept the remainder within 30 days of arrival.

JohnD Sep 22nd, 2004 09:21 AM

I found some will take a small$) deposit, balance on arrival.

Boxer Sep 22nd, 2004 09:22 AM

I hope to have a positive experience this December. I found our Maui condo on VRBO and so far have had nothing but helpful responses from the owner's representative. She has even called me on her dime at my home to relate details on how to get the key, etc.

Yes, I have paid half of the 13 day rental amount up front (with VISA) and will have the remainder taken on my VISA a couple of weeks before we are due to arrive - at which time I will be given the lock-box code to get the key to the condo.

I think I feel quite confident as I have had several e-mail contacts with the representative plus the owners have a very informative and well made webpage detailing what the condo offers.

I'll be sure to report back after our trip.

pdxgirl Sep 22nd, 2004 09:29 AM

Suzie - Not all VRBO owners require payment in full up front. Each owner makes his or her own policies regarding payment as well as setting their own refund policies.

OldSouthernBelle Sep 22nd, 2004 09:42 AM

Shar, Sorry that you had bad experiences. I am currently looking at vbro for Kauai, Maui and possibly the big Island. Would you be willing to share which unit/name you had a bad experience with?Thanks OSB.

Suzie Sep 22nd, 2004 09:45 AM

I was surprised with each of my experiences and assumed that different owners would have different policies but Lake Tahoe, Mammoth and Sunriver owners I contacted required the full balance. That is one of the problems using VRBO that you don't have with rental agencies. While you don't necessarily pay less when using VRBO I think there are some issues that a renter needs to be aware of. I realize others may have different experiences and it was not my intention to imply that all owners on VRBO would have the same policy (though one owner was quite insistant that it was, whatever). Sorry if it came across that way.

sherrie Sep 22nd, 2004 09:56 AM

Boxer: I would really be interested in reading your trip report later this year. Please post your experience with the condo. My family is considering this option for a trip to Maui next year.

Boxer Sep 22nd, 2004 10:06 AM

Sherrie:

Will do. By the way, the condo we have rented is in the &quot;Maui Kai&quot; (not to be confused with the Mana Kai).

So far I've not read a bad review of a stay at the Maui Kai. I hope to continue the tradition.

Little_Man Sep 22nd, 2004 10:21 AM

Have not rented from VRBO specifically, but have rented a vacation condo before. The condo was fine, but not as nice as online pics made me believe it would be...
I think from now on, I will stick with hotels for my vacations, because if you're not happy with a hotel, you can check out and go elsewhere! with a rental, you're pretty much stuck.
Not to mention no room service :)!

PeggyE Sep 22nd, 2004 10:29 AM

Rented through VBRO for Sayulita Mexico, worked directly with the owner, small deposit, balance of arrival, good experience, great value.

joan Sep 22nd, 2004 11:51 AM

Shar, exactly which listing was it on VRBO?

I guess I'm lucky - the units I've rented have always turned out to be better than the description...but you should definitely do as Boxer has done, and inquire thoroughly - over the telephone, where you can get a &quot;feel&quot; for the integrity of the owner. Also do a google search using the name of the unit, you never know what you will find.

I too have always paid in full - not on credit card either - before arrival - part of the tradeoff for getting a price that's minus agency fees.

Coskier Sep 22nd, 2004 12:01 PM

I have used VRBO both to rent out our condo and to book condos. I have never had any complaints from renters not have I had any trouble with units I rented. That said in the past I rented in areas that I was familiar with so I had a good idea of what to expect. I did rent a condo through VRBO for our trip to Mexico in area I am unfamiliar with, we will se how it goes.

From an owners view some thoughts. Do some research to see if it is truly a bargain. Our unit through central reservations can rent at times for more than double what I charge, though I have seen places that really are not much less than through an agency. Most have photos on the web site if not ask for some. If it is an older unit when was the last time it was updated. We live fairly close to our condo 90 min away. We rarely rent it out back to back so I know what kind of condition the unit is in for people. I try very hard to make certain that our guests are pleased. I value my vacation time and dollars and truly want people to be pleased. I think most owners are the same.
Before we bought our condo it was in the resorts rental program.(Keystone Colorado) If I had rented our condo in the condition it was in when we bought it for the prices they charged I would have been very disappointed. Nasty carpet, holes in the walls, old nasty furniture. So you are not guaranteed a better property by renting through&quot;official channels&quot;

My policy for rental is one nights deposit to hold the unit, balance due 30 days prior to arrival. FYI..I no longer have my condo on VRBO only because it really did not generate enough bookings to make it worthwhile for me.

paige Sep 22nd, 2004 12:08 PM

I've rented several homes and condos in Colorado and Florida thru VRBO.com and always had a pleasant experience. I have been very familiar with the areas I was renting in and therefore the location of the particular unit. I'd be more apprehensive if I was unsure of the location. We have always had to pay 1/2 of rental at time of booking and the balance 30-60 days out. Some owners have also required a security/damage deposit, but not most. I think I've only had one accept VISA.

That said, we are still awaiting the return of our $750.00 security deposit from our August rental in Vail. The owner has assured us &quot;the check is in the mail&quot;. If we don't receive it soon I may have a different opinion....

hibiscushouse Sep 22nd, 2004 01:11 PM

Like Coskier, we have used VRBO to rent for our vacations, as well as we have our vacation rental advertised there.
As the name says, &quot;Vacation rental by owner&quot;, it is just web space that owners pay to join to advertise their individual units. There is a form to fill out when you join, and it asks specific questions and you only have so much room to fill in your answers. I don't think people are purposely withholding information, it just may be that there wasn't enough room to put everything down. Also, you pay so much to display three pictures, then you have to pay more to advertise more pictures. That's how most of these rental web sites work. Vacationrentals.com, Vacationrentalspaces, where2go2.com, Gulfcoastrentals.com.....all of them work this way.
If the information you are seeking is not found on the rental site, then email the owner with specific ?'s.
I have most of my information on VRBO, but I find many people don't bother to read the description in it's entirety, b/c they still email me asking ?'s answered on my site. &quot;How many bedrooms are there?&quot;, &quot;Is there a washer and dryer?&quot; I don't mind answering them again though.
Also, if there aren't enough pictures, ask the owner to email you some more. I do this all the time.
My philosophy is to have my guests have a clear understanding of the area, the location and the unit so as to avoid any disappointments.
I spend a lot of time emailing and talking to my guests. Send them links to local restaurants, and information on things to do in our area, etc. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, just pointing out that you look for an owner willing to do such things for you. If they aren't willing, then I would be hesitant to rent from them.
BTW, my husband is a realtor and the office he has has a rental dept. He tells me that I go way beyond what the rental dept. is ever willing to do for the guests that rent from his office.
He also tells me that those in the rental office tend to rent out the condo's that are closest to the office so that it's easy to show. And that their fee is over 20% now.
And I do collect the rental fee 30 days prior. I only have the one place to rent and when it's rented, I take it off the market for that week/month. We've been doing this for 3 years now, and during March and Feb., I answer over 100 requests for weeks at our place per month, all telling them I'm booked. If I have someone cancel last minute for a lame reason, I've now turned down all those people without any way to advertise further. I can't put a vacancy sign outside our unit, nor am I a hotel with the benefit of walk-in's that would fill that week. But my policy is, that if I am able to rebook the week they canceled, then their money would be refunded. And, I have also refunded the entire amount based on emergency's (death's in the family, medical reasons, etc.) and our condo then went empty.
Finally, VRBO gives owners the option of having an online guest book where you can ask your former guests to submit comments. I have one and it's invaluable, as their words speak volumes over mine.
Hope that information is helpful.

MikeT Sep 22nd, 2004 01:24 PM

My sense is if you are someone who has a track-record of being unhappy at hotels or with service, you are going to be unhappy with VBRO because--quite frankly--you are likely too high maintenance and inflexibile for that kind of arrangement.

I can't fathom what would be so bad that I would be forced to move out of a condo whilst on vacation, short of an infestation of lemurs.

Coskier Sep 22nd, 2004 01:33 PM

hibiscushouse, not to toot my horn;) but like you I go out of my way to help guests, and help those find places when ours is rented. Just this week I went to the grocery store to buy disounted lift passes for guests that are coming in December I paid over 400.00 for them. I sent them on I am sure they will repay me. I think you are right that if the people your renting from seem somewhat unhelpful that maybe a signal to look elsewhere.

For me our travel budget is limited. I have a hard time paying more for the same property offered by an agency. Though for some the &quot;peace of mind&quot; aspect maybe worth the extra $$$.

BTW at Keystone if you put your unit in thier program they take 50%!

hibiscushouse Sep 22nd, 2004 02:11 PM

Wow Coskier, that was very kind of you to go out of your way to do that.
I meant to mention that it is the norm for me to receive request for more information. In fact, if an inquiry comes in simply asking to book, I get suspicious of the one asking to book. EVERYONE asks questions, if only to ask if it's available for the time they have requested, and how to go about booking.
I recently had a request that asked, simply, to book it. No questions asked. When I responded with the availability, they, in turn, responded with information about their acct. number at their bank, and other personal information.
Highly unusual, which prompted me to contact the web site owner to investigate further. In the end, it was a scam, of some type, attempting to rip me off.
My point is, you would be a minority if you didn't ask ?'s.

travellin Sep 22nd, 2004 02:38 PM

We have rented from VRBO a few of times, last year in Hawaii on Oahu and Maui. It is a bit of a leap of faith to send someone a fairly large deposit to a total stranger but luckily it has worked out for us. Our 'owners' were very helpful in e-mailing info about their properties, recommending restaurants, activities etc. Generally speaking, I think most of the owners are people who happen to have a summer or winter home that they like to rent to defray their expenses and are genuinely concerned about their guests. As with everything there are probably some horror stories too.

Shar Sep 22nd, 2004 04:11 PM

MikeT: We have never had problems with any rental unit before - hotel or condo and have never moved out early before but when you experience things that aren't visibly clean you begin to wonder what else hasn't been cleaned. Pictures on the website always look good but fail to show the deterioration in the unit.
Glad to hear that so many have had lucK with VRBO because it usually is more reasonable. It just has not worked out with us. The unit we rented was at Poipu Shores in Kauai

plumeria Sep 22nd, 2004 05:28 PM

My husband and I rented the most wonderful, unusual house outside of Hilo on the Big Island last year from VRBO. It was an old molasses silo that had been turned into a house. It was in a neighborhood type setting, but surrounded by lush grounds. Because it was outside of Hilo it was convenient to the volcano (not on the sunny side of the island). What a relaxing place. We had no problems at all with this owner. I don't know if she owns other properties on the island or not.

Coskier Oct 21st, 2004 10:19 AM

Update on the condo we booked in Akumal through VRBO. It was perfect! Right on the beach with a wall of windows to view the blue waters. At 400.00 for the week, 2 bed 2 bath, it was much, much less than through the management companies.

Postal Oct 21st, 2004 04:52 PM

Lemurs are extra.

stevenlouis Apr 26th, 2007 04:54 AM

I have had good experiences with www.vrbo.com, www.yourlatitude.com and www.cyberentals.com. If you look on these sites you can see if a property is managed by a company or not. So you still can get a good deal and have management in case of a 911.

SAnParis Apr 26th, 2007 05:00 AM

Why are we reviving a post that is 3 years old ??!!

Kris629 May 26th, 2007 07:15 PM

I rented a house for a family reunion in Orlando earlier this month through vrbo.com. The house was beautiful and a good value. It was run by a management company as the owners lived out of the country. I admit I was nervous at first as you have to pay up front but the house was everything I had hoped and more.

NeoPatrick May 27th, 2007 04:36 AM

&quot;Why are we reviving a post that is 3 years old ??!!&quot;

Very good question. I was reading away and disagreed somewhat with the second poster, then suddenly realized that was ME -- before I had rented through VRBO. But now that I have -- several times, the fears I described are no longer founded.

LN May 27th, 2007 06:04 AM

Again -

&quot;Why ARE we reviving a post that is 3 years old ??!!&quot;

Let's drop it.

leighgia Dec 19th, 2007 05:37 AM

We, too, got burned using VRBO, but it was because we trusted the individual owner's photos and description. Our paid-for-in-full &quot;cottage&quot; was a dump with cockroaches. We could not stay and the owner would not refund our money because she could not rent it on short notice. Be aware.

leighgia Dec 19th, 2007 05:40 AM

We, too, got burned using VRBO, but it was because we trusted the individual owner's photos and description. Our paid-for-in-full &quot;cottage&quot; was a dump with cockroaches. We could not stay and the owner would not refund our money because she could not rent it on short notice. Be aware. Oahu/#47277/&quot;Little Grass Shack&quot; and #71492/&quot;Hawaiian Style Cottage&quot;, owner Katie Laing

Little_Man Dec 19th, 2007 07:00 AM

like Patrick, I've used vrbo again after my post 3 years ago, and had a good experience. We rented from an owner at the Las Vegas MGM Signature, which was beautiful, and saved quite a bit of money. If fact, we're using vrbo again for another trip next month to the Signature.


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