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traveling to California just got alot more enjoyable

Oct 9th, 2003, 12:22 PM
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I take exception to the "if you don't live here you have nothing to say". In a Republic, we are all tied one way or another into each other. At least that is what hundreds of thousands who died in the Civil War for the Union sought to protect.

Given its sheer size and its economic position, California's problems do have an impact on other states.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 12:25 PM
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uuhhhh: I'm not condoning adultery. Hilary was not expecting Bill to cheat, and he did, and she was righteous pissed off about it. Some people have a lighter attitude about adultery, some don't. But the point is still: what Bill did with MONICA was consensual. They'd better both regret it-- but it was consensual. It was stupid on many, many levels-- but it was consensual.

Arnold may be upfront about his actions, but the fact is: They were unwelcome to the women he groped. Are you forgetting about them...? Confession is NOT absolution, in my book, especially when no real contrition is expressed.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 02:01 PM
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To Ahhnold and Jacko in particular, and to all others who seem to be taking delight in the "demise" of evil liberal democrats in general, the following is from an ABC interview with Scharzenegger on the eve of the election:

Peter Jennings: Are you pro-choice?
Arnold: Yes

Peter Jennings: Are you pro-gay rights?
Arnold: Yes

Peter Jennings: Are you pro-gun control?
Arnold: Yes, uhh, I am for the Brady Bill and enforcement of all existing gun laws.

As an evil liberal democrat, I sort of like the guy. He sounds more left than right to me. I also take comfort in the fact that the first voice he hears in the morning and the last voice he hears at night is that of Teddy's niece.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 02:12 PM
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AAhnold, me and the above poster like Arnold and we are liberals. HE IS NOT VERY CONSERVATIVE. He is married to a Kennedy. He is not even close to being as conservative as our brain dead president.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 02:36 PM
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First of all if the school kids in California have to learn to spell Arnold's name so should we. It's Schwarzenegger. There is no Z in his name.

This whole election was spearheaded by an individual that didn't want a Democratic Governor. Gray Davis was elected last November. Arnold is elected nine months later. (I'm assuming that the media's nine month count came from Gray begining his second term in January.) So less than one year later he is recalled. If he was good enough to re-elect than how could he possibly have screwed things up so fast. Does this mean that nine months from taking office if the state isn't cleaned up is Arnold out??

As for Arnold's business interests even his web sites are vague about this. I gather that he has invested his movie millions in real estate. Does this make you a shrewd businessman? I know he was a partner in Planet Hollywood -- perhaps he would like to leave that off his resume. He and Maria were also at least part owners of Shatzi's on Main in Santa Monica although they are no longer involved.

Arnold's career achievements are impressive. He may do a great job, but I still maintain if he had to run a regular campaign he wouldn't have been elected.

California has problems that most of the country can't even begin to comprehend. As a border state to Mexico they are faced with illegal immegrants coming in a rate that they can not handle. I wish Arnold well.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 05:18 PM
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How soon liberals forget. It was perfectly okay for Bill "The Original Groper" to expose himself to any woman with a pulse (and no, from what I read, they weren't all willing) because he 'just wanted to take care of the business of running the country.' We heard repeatedly that Billy was a bad bad boy, yes, but by golly, what did that have to do with running the country? Two separate issues. So they said. So what do the Democratic spinmeisters have to say about spinnning the so-called Arnold gropings a different way, hmmmmmmmmmmm? Sorry, but groping's groping (why doesn't the spelling seem right on that????)--I don't care if it's a Republican or a Democrat who's involved. Just don't insult my intelligence by trying to spin it two different ways. IMHO, that's why the Democrats are going down in flames left and right--WE'RE ALL SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO YOU ENLESSLY SPIN. I wish Arnold and all Californians well.
Oct 9th, 2003, 05:19 PM
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That, of course, would be 'endlessly.'
Oct 9th, 2003, 08:12 PM
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This recall did inspire a lot of people to register to vote and vote they did. But what I would like know is why they couldn't be bothered to vote in the last election? Was there a really good sale at Walmart or something? Arnold was elected big time in Walmart country, ie inland California (drive through country).
Let's just hope traveling to California stays enjoyable for you. You wouldn't want off shore oil wells or smogy skies messing up the view would you?
(I wonder if anyone else could be recalled for driving up a huge deficit?) Now let's talk about travel.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 08:19 PM
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Tess I agree that Bill Clinton's behavior was horrible. I lost a lot of respect for him. My question to you would be: why are the same people who were so angered by Clinton so willing to look the other way when it's Arnold? Republicans need to stop spinning it both ways.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 08:49 PM
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I think more and more people are starting to develop a 'Hey, if the Billmeister can get away with it, why can't I?' attitude. I hate myself for sounding like my own grandma but episodes like this point to the increasing moral decay of our society. No one wants to be willing to admit they goofed anymore--it's never 'my fault.' Boy, that's one thing Mr. Tess and I are teaching our kids--to take personal responsibility for their actions. They know better than to let the words, "It's not MY fault" pass by their lips--it just doesn't wash with their momma. In answer to your question, I think a lot of Republicans considered Arnold the lesser of two evils. McClintock obviously wasn't going to get the necessary votes and Bustamonte (sorry--spelling) appeared to be just another Davis. It doesn't make Arnold's supposed behavior right or acceptable, though.
Oct 9th, 2003, 08:51 PM
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There--better spelling. Wow, the proofreading thing just isn't happening for me tonight.
Oct 9th, 2003, 09:16 PM
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For my State I hope that Arnold does a good job and there are a lot of things I agree with him on. But a lot of the ills facing California are also facing the Nation. Let's hope for change and a brighter future for us all.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 10:01 PM
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Thank you Gardyloo, and to the rest of the participatns here. I do love a good political discussion. It's interesting that Rob Lowe that ultra-liberal and Susan Estrich that ultra-feminist both saw reason to endorse Arnold. He does not appear to be the neoconservative that Karl Rove is hoping he is.

What I'm interested in is what Arnold's role will be if any in pushing for the recovery of the $9 billion to California taxpayers from Enron, or whether he's in collusion with Kenny Boy Lay as Greg Palast has suggested. It was the energy deregulation that the neocons pushed that got California in the mess Arnold's now inherited. And more to the point, where's Kenny?
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Oct 10th, 2003, 12:16 AM
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Hey Tess, I've never heard of a single Democrat saying it was "OK" for a man to grope a woman (non-consensual) whether that man was Bill Clinton or Arnold Schwartzenegger. But just someone accuses a man of groping a woman doesn't mean he actually did it. I've never seen any hard evidence that Clinton groped anyone - Have you? All I've seen are rumors from the Republican sleaze machine. Or do you automatically believe every accusation made about people you don't like?

Try reading "The Hunting Of The President: The Ten-Year Campaign To Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton" by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons if you want to learn how so much of the sleaze about Clinton got spread around.

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Oct 10th, 2003, 02:24 AM
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It seems to me that Ahhnold has pretty liberal ideals on just about everything except the environment. When he made that comment in the debate about, "He could drive his Hummer through Araina's legs" only had to do with "it being alright to waste energy." Will he allow for tons of drilling, smog, lack of emissions on cars and factories, etc? Is this REALLY what the Republican now stands for? I don't get it.
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Oct 10th, 2003, 05:01 AM
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The "rumors" about Clinton's bad behavior toward women (exposing himself to Paula Jones in a hotel room, molesting that woman whose husband committed suicide) are stronger than the rumors of what Arnold did (let's just say Hollywood stuntwomen don't have a ton of credibility, in my opinion).

As for California's enery problems, the Democrats made bad enery deals and weren't able to hedge their bets. Not smart.

I do agree Arnold creates a bridge between conservatives and liberals. Wouldn't it be astonishing if it was the Terminator who helped resolve the nasty conservative-liberal battle that has been raging so long?
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Oct 10th, 2003, 07:16 AM
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Yes California made some very bad decisions regarding energy, but it was a rep. gov. named Pete Wilson who put it through and Pete Wilson has been heavily involved in Arnolds campaign.
Another thing that has helped bankrupt our state is the war on terror. Everytime we were raised to orange status local and state gov't had to pour millions into securing possible terrorist targets. Other than say NY or DC California has a lot of possible targets. The federal gov't has not been very good about providing funds to the states to help. Combine that w/ the energy "crisis", a poor economy and bad planning and this what you get. Plus Washington wasn't too happy to help out a state that they lost by a million votes (eventhough we are the 5th largest economy in the world). Maybe Arnold will be invited to play w/ the boys in Washington.
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Oct 10th, 2003, 07:47 AM
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Bill Clinton's sick behavior is known and documented and was not considered important by Democrats because he was their boy. The predominance of his sick behavior toward women took place when he was a public servant - either as governor or as president. Whether or not Arnold committed all these gropings or not - it was years ago and he was not a public servant at that time. Never once did he wag his finger in the face of Americans and lie through his teeth - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman ...."

It's interesting that all these terribly abused women suddenly show up out of the blue several years following these traumatic gropings. Just days before the election. Kind of reminds me of Anita Hill .... Funny that none of them cared enough about all these terrible things Arnold supposedly did to them back when they happened. Must be some of the (running scared ) Dems dredged them up to try and sway Californians in the election. I'm glad it backfired and that Gray Davis got what he deserved after all the things he did to hurt the state I grew up in.

Also - Paul - during the debate Arnold did NOT say he could drive his hummer through Arianna Huffington's legs - he said he could drive it through her personal tax loopholes which allowed her to pay less than $1000 in income taxes. Get your facts straight.
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