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traveling to California just got alot more enjoyable

Oct 8th, 2003, 01:09 PM
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Hatch's amendment won't see light of day. Schwartzenegger will raise taxes in 2004. Dean will beat Bush in California by 3 or 4 points. A Recall of Arnold won't get enough signatures. Attorney Genreal Bill Lockyer will defeat Arnold for governor in 2006. I just saw this in my crystal ball. Also, Arnold will be caught in the governor's mansion with a woman not his life- Halle Berry, Diane Lane or Sonny Bono's remarried widow, whatshername.
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Oct 8th, 2003, 02:14 PM
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I don't know if Arnold will be good or not. Who could possibly know? It's not like he has put forth his policies. He only debated once when they promised to give him his questions ahead of time so he could rehearse. He doesn't care about the environment -- not when he runs around town in his Hummer. He hasn't bothered to vote in more than half of the elections that he could. He has no practical political experience. He has toyed with running for governor for a long time and this was the perfect time for him. Tabloids have covered his womanizing long before he became a candidate. So don't put the blame on the Democrats for the story. It has been common knowledge for years. Hollywood isn't backing him. Hollywood is traditionally liberal Democrats,

Maybe he'll be great. I just wonder if he was elected because he seemed the lesser of the evils. If he had to run for election in a normal year under normal circumstances would he have won? All we can do now is sit back, watch him and hope for the very best.
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Oct 8th, 2003, 02:45 PM
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What exactly is Ahnold's plan for fixing the state budget? Come on Californians, tell us, what exactly did you vote for??? Did he even HAVE an agenda????

Admit it, Californians just couldn't bear to see taxes on their precious automobiles go up so they voted in ANYBODY but Davis! Even Gary Coleman got 12,000 votes! What a state!
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Oct 8th, 2003, 03:53 PM
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The electorate just gets smarter and smarter! Its a symbol of the state of our culture that a macho body builder can muscle his way into Sacramento without really saying anything of import. Oh, except that he might get rid of the EPA in California. Heck, why not build houses in Yosemite? You could sure fit a lot of 'em in there...
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Oct 8th, 2003, 04:39 PM
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I am still in shock and quite literally, speechless.

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Oct 8th, 2003, 08:36 PM
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California certainly is the laughing stock of the US now. What a bunch of idiots. Davis was not a great governor, but in his place they elected a guy with zero experience, whose pricipal qualification is that he is a celebrity. And how exactly is he going to fix the mess Davis had to deal with?

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Oct 8th, 2003, 08:40 PM
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Since you asked~ I now have the house wrapped in black crepe, am trying hard to embrace the position of women in the 1950's and am listening to Jacques B. and Kurt W. in hopes the tunes will prove catchy.
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Oct 8th, 2003, 10:09 PM
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Hey, folks!


The stupefying, numbing ads from both sides will not be heard again. Hooray!

Here are some statistics:

The porn queen, Mary something or the other, got 7,000 votes.

Gary Coleman and Larry Flynt: one got 12,000 and the 14,000 votes. Can't remember which got what.

Schwartzenegger got about 48-50% of the total (still counting). About 70$ voted, so that means that somewhere over 35% of the eligible voters voted him into office. Hardly a majority.

Bustamante is still the lieutenant governor.

The nine Bay Area counties voted overwhelmingly for No Recall. Los Angeles county divided pretty evenly on the No Recall question. The rest of California voted overwhelmingly for Recall. So now - depending on your point of view - you know where the "idiots" reside.

California (from year 2000-2001 stats) is the world's 5th largest economy. What exactly does this mean? It means that only the US, Japan, Germany, and the UK exceed California, which ousted France from its 5th place.

California is responsible for 1.3 trillion dollars and that makes up 13% of the nation's output. New York, in second place, produces about 60% of what California produces.

With this kind of mega output, California also has mega problems.

The Republicans are gloating over their victory with a second-rate movie star who committed to middle-of-the-road mumble-jumble. Can Schwartzenegger REALLY fix California's mega problems? OF COURSE NOT!

But fear not. The spin-meisters are already hard at work, blaming everything on the Democrats.

And the Democrats? Well, twice they have been beaten by second rate movie actors - Ronald Reagan and now Ahhhnold, and still they are talking of hopeless dreams - had they only thrown Leon Panetta or Diane Feinstein into the race for governorship - when are they going to learn?

Californians have shown that they are sick and tired of professional politicans with their perpetual lies.

The only Democrat that will be acceptable will be a second rate movie actor, past his prime is better - and who made fairly popular movies, but not great ones. The more violent these movies, the better.

An actor is perfect because everything that is said is only for show - and everybody understands that!

Someone with a lot of NAME RECOGNITION because nobody cares what he is saying. And it has to be a "he" - look at how roughly Arianna Huffington was treated. Brave lady. (No, I didn't vote for her!)

Meanwhile, back at the farm...

Meanwhile, our schools are still deteriorating, our roads have larger and larger potholes, ... and I won't complain any more. I can just stand by and watch the Republicans come in and rape California, all the while blaming the Democrats - who lost California because they put forward a cardboard governor incapable of doing anything.

Nuts! I'm getting more cynical in my old age!

But, for you travellers, hopefully the great natural beauty and the terrific restaurants and the wonderful produce will still be here. So come and visit our lovely state and forget the politics!

I'll drink to that!
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Oct 9th, 2003, 05:39 AM
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Nice try explaining away the stunning repudiation of all things Democrat, but you're tasked with an unwinnable position. Simply put, the voters are tired of government foisting more and more taxes on them. Plus, the California Democrats entered into some atrocious energy deals that smart businessmen would never make.

Say what you want about Arnold, he's a good businessman. Let's see some of you smarty pants take a barbell and turn it into $100 million and Governor of the largest state in a foreign land!

People responded to Arnold because they sense he's sincere and, frankly, he's been successful in everything he's done.

This is obviously a painful lesson for the liberal party.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 05:54 AM
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Arnold has done more than any of us know about. He has organized many programs to benefit all from kids to third world countries. He has had successful businesses. But,the liberal media would never give him any credit for it.

He won the election and deserves the chance. It can't get any worse than it is now.

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Oct 9th, 2003, 06:06 AM
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Perhaps Californian's will realize that the inevitable answer to governing their state is to split the state into 2 parts. As shown by the diverse voting patterns, it seems to me as though the regional differences in ideology will make reaching a consensus and compromising on problems increasing difficult.

Of course, given their 54 electoral votes and the strength of their Congressional delegation, are they willing to lose some of that clout in Washington.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 06:16 AM
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Anybody remember when Ronald Reagan was running for president and all the jokes about an actor in politics? History does repeat itself.
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Ahhnold, nice to chat with you guys - even speaking as a so-called liberal.

Cheer up - you say things could get worse. Do you recall the old saying - I cheered up, and sure enough things got worse.

I've seen all of Arnold's films - Kindergarten Cop and Predator I are my favorites. See, I do like Arnold.

Interesting article in the paper the other day about this US engineering society that issues an annual report on the decay of American infrastructure components - schools, roads, bridges, power grid, etc. They score each component - the highest got a C+. Estimate to upgrade today - $1.5T. Their suggestion: establish a capital investment budget alongside the Federal operating budget, and use long-term bonds (30 years) to fund it. This is the very issue Arnold will face in CA. And he has no resources at his beck and call. Taxes are out of the question in his regime. He can only cut one place to feed another. In the meantime he's losing his economy and hi9s most educated clientelle and corporations.

I do wish Arnold all the best and as much luck as he needs. I do not wish to see him fail the people of CA and the others states affected by CA. It really is beyond politics. I am aware Davis was no world beater. So, Arnold, I hope you do a good job.

Have a good day.
Oct 9th, 2003, 06:45 AM
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So the sweeps came early this year. Let's see what the Toimenator's share is in the spring.

It does, however, mean that Gray Davis' movie career is ready for launch. Or maybe he can take Dennis Miller's place (although he'll have to learn lots of new, colorful, words.)

Thanks, Kalyfornyans!
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:20 AM
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Hey. I went to a travel board and a politcal fight broke out.

Yep. All of us "Collie-FORnians" are pretty wacky...and loving it!
Other than Kauai, I still do not know a better place to live other than NoCal. .
The next few years should be verrrrrry interesting. :-?
Mucho mahalos,
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:26 AM
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At the risk of being shot at down here in Texas, if the president has to have a minimum mental age of 35, how did Bush get in?
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:31 AM
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But what will Arnold due about "Union Sqaure" and the fact that poor tourists get accosted daily there!?! Perhaps he will move the capital to San Jose where it belongs!!
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:44 AM
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Drats. Another typo. I really need to proofread before posting. "due"="do" of course.
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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:49 AM
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Jacko, Arnold's election was not a repudiation of anything except Gray Davis and the vast problems of California many voters associate him with. Arnold is pro-choice and in favor of affirmative action - how again is his election a "repudiation" of these values???

Arnold has been a successful actor, and I do enjoy some of his films, though I do not really take him seriously as a real actor, more as an entertainer. But I don't think his outside business ventures such as Planet Hollywood are exactly shining examples of success.

Let's face it: Arnold has no experience at all that qualifies him for the governorship. Calofornians needed to blame someone, so they blamed the inempt Davis. Like Gray Davis, Arnold isn't going to be able to balance the budget without raising taxes or cutting spending - and in doing so he's going to upset a lot of people. Let's see how they feel about Arnold in 2006.

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Oct 9th, 2003, 07:55 AM
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Andrew..Much,much more than Planet Hollywood on Arnolds resume. But,nobody knows since the media will focus on just that. It's not your fault for not knowing the whole story.
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