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fmpden Mar 10th, 2019 11:00 AM

Too Much Snow??? Never
 
This is a heads up for anyone headed to Colorado in the next couple of weeks. The mountains have received an enormous amount of snow this past week to ten days on top of above average snow for this eason. Breckenridge over seven feet. Unfortunately it has also cause major traffic problems all along the major corridors. I-70 was closed several times this past week mostly from avalanches covering the road. Three across I-70 at different times and locations. Nearly 400 total in the state. Skiing is going to be terrific. And a couple of ski areas have already announced extending the ski season into May. Snowpack through out the state is approaching 50% over normal and about 100% over last year. It is going to be great finish to this years ski season. But could also extend mud season into early June. So plan accordingly.

janisj Mar 10th, 2019 11:14 AM

Same thing in California -- I-80 and Hwy 50 have been closed several times and chain controls frequently in effect. A couple of the resorts out here have mentioned skiing til July 4.

fmpden Mar 10th, 2019 11:33 AM

I think it is the same moisture stream. Just flowing across and dumping out on the western slopes. Have not had much in Denver. Been an odd year in the snow pattern. There are avalanches in areas that have never had an avalanche or maybe one every 30 years. That just adds to the problem in that these avalanches bring down a lot of trees and rocks that just slows down the clean up.

janisj Mar 10th, 2019 11:45 AM

We've had several Atmospheric Rivers one after another all winter. They dump a TON of rain in the Central Valley and snow on the west slope of the Sierra, then seem to regroup and dump more when they get to CO. There has actually been wetter/more snow than many El Niņo years.

Nelson Mar 10th, 2019 11:49 AM

The Colorado Avalanche Information Center is showing "Considerable - High" danger across the entire state right now. The other day it was pegged at "Extreme" in the Central mountains and around Aspen. Could remain higher than normal into May or even June, who knows?

I was in an outdoor store on Friday and they were not renting snowshoes to anyone (not why I was there) due to the danger. Yes, it's been an unusual winter, with another blast coming Wednesday. Rivers will be high this spring. Enjoy the skiing!

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Jean Mar 10th, 2019 11:51 AM

Last year, Mammoth's final ski day was August 3rd. This year, could there possibly be skiing on Labor Day??

Nelson Mar 10th, 2019 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by janisj (Post 16885323)
We've had several Atmospheric Rivers one after another all winter.

I've recently learned that Atmospheric Rivers were the cause of what might be considered the worst natural disaster in California history. I'm sure you know about that!

Jean Mar 10th, 2019 11:57 AM

Oops. That was August 6th and in 2017, not 2016. That was Mammoth's latest ever closing date, but perhaps this year will set a new record.

janisj Mar 10th, 2019 01:10 PM

Nelson -- not sure which disaster you are talking about. 'Most deadly' or 'worst'? The most deadly haven't been rain related, but the floods in southern California in 1938 were HUGE. Though not a massive loss of life AFAIK.

I had an Great Aunt/Uncle living in the San Fernando Valley and an Uncle living in Venice in the late 30's and the stories they told were almost unbelievable.

Barbara Mar 10th, 2019 02:38 PM

The San Francisco earthquake in 1906 was the worst by far, but coming in second was the St Francis Dam Flood on March 12 in 1928 when approximately 450 people died.

https://www.britannica.com/event/St-...s-Dam-disaster

janisj Mar 10th, 2019 02:49 PM

That is why I asked if Nelson meant 'deadliest' or largest/worst. Both the 1906 earthquake and the dam failure had massive loss of life but neither were caused by rain/the weather. The 1938 flood was caused by torrential rains and flooded vast areas of the LA basin, including the Valley and Orange County.

Nelson Mar 10th, 2019 03:08 PM

According to this book it was the floods of 1861-62:


Not sure if I should post copyrighted material, but I'll add that the book is a great read!


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tomfuller Mar 10th, 2019 04:54 PM

I'm hoping that the major snows are over for 2019 in Oregon. About 3 weeks ago, I stomped a path around the house on snowshoes. I packed down the spot at the foot of the ladder that I have up next to the satellite dish. At the time I cleared the dish, there was 11" of snow on the roof. In the days after that, we got over 20" on top of the 11". I took several tons of snow off the roof to prevent the cracks in the ceiling from getting any bigger. You can quote me on this: " You cannot climb a ladder while wearing snowshoes."
Last week, a snowboarder died in a tree well on Mt. Bachelor outside Bend. In other news about Bend - Bend now has the last Blockbuster video store on earth.

fmpden Mar 10th, 2019 06:17 PM

Generally getting on a roof to remove snow is not among the smartest things you can do. Just yesterday two guys were pulling snow off a roof when the all snow came off. Buried one head down (he died) and second in is the hospital barely alive from frozen lungs.

Barbara Mar 10th, 2019 07:38 PM

In other news about Bend - Bend now has the last Blockbuster video store on earth.

Long way to go. I'd never get them back in time.

Barbara Mar 10th, 2019 07:47 PM

Here's an interesting piece from Yosemite's website about current avalanches there:

Please refer to the Eastern Sierra Avalanche Center (ESAC) for the avalanche advisory for this part of the Sierra Nevada.

This week saw the most widespread avalanche cycle that we have seen this winter. During the storm of March 2 and 3 there was a density change that left 10+ inches of new snow overlying several inches of lower density snow that all fell on a firmer snow surface. The resulting storm slab was very touchy and easy to trigger. Natural avalanches were noted on most aspects and elevations. While the crowns of these slides were relatively shallow, they moved down slopes very quickly and ran far, entraining a lot of snow in the process. While doing a hazard assessment on Lembert Dome (our local test slope) during this storm, we triggered the avalanche in the photo. While traversing the flat ridge (safe zone) just east of Lembert Dome we felt the dense snow collapse the soft snow underneath and trigger the avalanche that then stretched the entire north side (about 1/3 of a mile) of the slope. There was an impressive powder cloud and debris pile as the avalanche came to rest in the flatter, forested slope below. Being able to witness these events in real time are a real advantage to living in an avalanche laboratory all winter long.

Presently there is heavy snow falling and the avalanche hazard is changing yet again. This winter we and the public are particularly grateful for ESAC’s daily reports. The center is an invaluable resource, and their daily avalanche forecasts have been spot on this year. We start each day by reading their forecast. Thank you ESAC for your commitment in helping keep the public safe!


https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/updat...rch-6-2019.htm

bailey123 Mar 10th, 2019 10:26 PM

Here in SW CO the river basins are at 138% and Red Mountain pass has had several slabs of snow measuring a distance of 1/2 mile over the highway and up to 60 feet in depth. The pass has been closed for a week and will remain closed indefinitely between Silverton and Ouray

Gretchen Mar 11th, 2019 05:07 AM

Back to the fun part of big snow--DS was in Aspen this weekend and it apparently was reported that LAST weekend was the best skiing in 5 years.

MoBro Mar 11th, 2019 08:57 AM

It is an amazing snow year. We've been relatively fortunate in Denver, that the snow has stayed in the mountains for the most part. DH is in hog heaven, skiing at Winter Park every week. The pictures of powder skiing in the trees (in bounds!) are truly impressive.

It's nice to know that Utah and California are getting the moisture they need, as well.

Let's just hope we get all the benefits of wildfire mitigation and water reserves, without a springtime of extra hot temperatures that can cause flash flooding.

Barbara Mar 11th, 2019 11:24 AM

Unlikely to provide wildfire mitigation. In fact, the water will cause greater growth of chapparal which is fuel for fires. We've had higher summer and Fall temps for several years and once the snow and rain stop, the drying will be rapid.

MoBro Mar 12th, 2019 09:49 AM

We'll cross our fingers and see what Springtime brings. Hoping we all escape forest fires.

Jean Mar 12th, 2019 12:03 PM

Not necessarily wildfire mitigation, but hopefully all the snow will save some trees. They've been dying off in the millions because drought that makes them more vulnerable to the boring beetles.

fmpden Mar 12th, 2019 04:37 PM

And we bracing for another blast. All of the Denver area schools are closed for tomorrow in an anticipate of a major storm. That doesn't happen too often. We could have an inch or maybe 20".

ileen Mar 12th, 2019 06:49 PM

I am in Washington state and have so much snow all through Feb. and even in March. Today, also we got another 3 inches. The total snow has broken records set in 1916, I believe. Thus, a very, very unusual snow year for us.

Many homes have huge ice dams on roofs. Everyone is waiting impatiently for the temperatures to rise so roofer can go to roof and find the damage. Huge icicles on many homes. It has been a crazy year.

Looking forward to spring. Not even sure when we will see grass this year as the entire grassy area has huge mounds of snow.
Please, everyone be safe and look forward to spring.

bailey123 Mar 12th, 2019 09:21 PM

The storm came through Durango last night and today and it wasn't bad at all, not much snow and what did come in didn't stick. Starting to feel like spring...almost.

Fodorite018 Mar 13th, 2019 05:49 AM

ileen--We are in Washington as well, a suburb of Seattle, and had fresh snow yesterday morning. That first week of February brought us 35 inches and some of it is still in our yard, and then we kept getting more. Absolutely crazy for here! We are kicking ourselves for getting rid of our roof rake. I did go around with the fruit picker since it expands, and knocked what I could off the edges of the roof on on the first floor. We lost so many plants and a few trees.

Melnq8 Mar 13th, 2019 05:59 AM

Most schools in Colorado Springs, Manitou and Woodland Park are closed today too. They closed them yesterday afternoon, long before we even had a flake of snow.

This morning we woke to a few inches up here at 8,500 feet, but it's just getting underway and snowing as I type. They're calling for close to a foot where I live. Our schools up here have had three snow days in the last six weeks.

I had an appointment in Denver this morning, but cancelled two days ago, putting my faith in the weather guessers. Also cancelled a trip to Buena Vista a few weeks back when they predicted eight inches that never materialized. So it damn better snow a lot today!

Nelson Mar 13th, 2019 06:42 AM

Looks like it's an upslope storm here along the Front Range, so Durango might have missed the worst. It just started snowing in northern Colorado a few minutes ago, wind is blowing. Blizzard conditions predicted for this afternoon, I believe them on this one. The Nebraska panhandle looks like it's really going to get hammered.

We have to leave for a doctor appointment in a couple hours but it's less than a mile from home. Hopefully that will go OK. It's been raining and that is all going to freeze. Springtime in the Rockies!

MoBro Mar 13th, 2019 08:11 AM

I've never seen schools close the afternoon BEFORE a storm is due to hit. Never. But Denver, Aurora, Arvada, Boulder, Parker, Douglas County, Ft Collins-- all closed schools yesterday.

Rain turned to snow about 30 minutes ago, here in central Denver. The wind is cranking up. I think the wind is the big concern with this storm.

Staying inside today, and hoping the power doesn't go out!

PS. The pine beetle problem is exacerbated more by the 'warmer' temperature than by drought. We need several days in a row of frigid temps, in order to kill the beetle larvae. But we haven't been getting that consistent cold weather in recent years. We prayed for it, before having to take down all the affected trees on our three acres in the mountains. That's heartbreaking, let me tell you.

Melnq8 Mar 13th, 2019 10:55 AM

It's nasty up here in Teller County - six inches of snow so far, ferocious winds - the swaying of the huge pine trees is freaking me out. I-25 closed from Woodman (north Colorado Springs) to Monument and several roads closed out east. Our electricity keeps flickering on and off - several areas in Colorado Springs have lost power completely. Even the news stations keep losing power.

historytraveler Mar 13th, 2019 11:11 AM

Sitting in my library here in Hilltop ( about 15 minutes from downtown Denver ) watching the snow and wind. Wind comes and goes but at times must be 40 mph and we are fairly well sheltered. Can’t imagine how bad it is in open areas. A deer crossed our front yard about 30 minutes ago. Hard to tell how much snow has accumulated with all the wind but guessing 5” +. Haven’t heard about traffic problems but there are always a few idiots that have no real need to be out but think they can drive in anything and do. Everyone just needs to hunker down.

Melnq8 Mar 13th, 2019 11:16 AM

That's what I'm doing. Making soup and hoping we don't lose electricity. Glad to be retired.

historytraveler Mar 13th, 2019 12:17 PM

Yes. Have soup in the crock pot. Power outages being reported affecting thousands in metro Denver. I’ve never seen anything like this in Denver but lived at Copper Mt. for several years and had similar storms maybe not quite as much wind. Major road closures. Those that are still open reporting numerous accidents. Horizontal snow in area. No visibility. Seeing pictures of traffic near Morrison road ( far west side of Denver ) Can’t imagine what those drivers are thinking.

Nelson Mar 13th, 2019 12:20 PM

My wife made soup, I'm making bread, hopefully the power stays on.

This is one for the record books, but it's also why we caution people about overly aggressive travel plans around here this time of year.
I just read it might be the lowest recorded air pressure ever seen in Pueblo.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fod...5b8e8a049a.jpg

And of course avalanche danger is back up at all mountain elevations.

Melnq8 Mar 13th, 2019 12:22 PM

School has been cancelled for tomorrow too. This is quite the bomb cyclone!

bailey123 Mar 13th, 2019 07:14 PM

Good thing I'm not a weather forecaster! Everybody stay safe

fmpden Mar 13th, 2019 08:01 PM

The weather forecast is dead on. At the moment Denver is isolated -- all roads around Denver are closed -- combination of accidents and snow. The airport is closed - only the fourth time in history. We have huge drifts in front of our garage and front door. Not going anywhere for a while. It is about as bad as I have seen in 39 years. We were here for the Christmas blizzard of 81 and St Pats of 03. Lot more snow then but much more wind this time. Reports of 80 mph +. In Denver at least 23 large trees are down with many blocking streets. It has stop so will see what daylight will bring.

Melnq8 Mar 14th, 2019 05:56 AM

Yeah, we're snowed in this morning too, got close to a foot of the white stuff. Will begin the dig out later today when the snow stops. Our driveway is a good 200 feet long, and very steep. There are snow drifts against the house and on the back patio, some as deep as four feet.


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