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Sexual Molestation at Wyndham Sugar Bay Resort

Aug 15th, 2003, 08:15 PM
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I know that I will get bashed for this but I'll say it anyway. Not that any parent that leaves their child in a "kids club" while on vacation deserves to have that child molested, but when did a family vacation require that the kids spend the day with strangers? I just don't get that type of "family" vacation. I'm not old, I'm in my 40's and my oldest child is 18. we've vacationed quite a bit and I've never used a babysitting or "kids club" service while on vacation. Parents in this day and age don't seem to know how to spend a week with their kids. How sad.
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Aug 15th, 2003, 08:52 PM
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Sometimes otherwise smart parents mistakes.

When hotels spend big bucks to advertise hotel programs and bill themselves as a 'family' resort, you would naturally assume the staff would be checked out.

At my resort, we do pretty serious background checks on the activities staff. We also run criminal checks on all employees.

Kids seem to want to spend time in the kids clubs to meet new friends and be with people their age. As when I was on vacation with my parents, kids don't want to be totally stuck with mom and dad.
 
Aug 16th, 2003, 04:19 AM
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...and you know the Wyndham did, but if someone has no prior convictions, you could check until the cows come home and come up empty handed.

This may very well be true, everyone is assuming it is, but it bothers me a great deal that there is virtually no information I can pull up on this using any combination of words in google, and I've tried. I would like to see links to some other source so I can evaluate what has and has not happened for myself. The one link on the Caribbean board takes you to a black and white page that even I with my limited web creating ability could do and even that only talks about probable cause--not a conviction. It references an AP story--and if there's an AP story, shouldn't we be able to find more ourselves?
 
Aug 16th, 2003, 04:30 AM
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This information has just about brought me to tears. As horrible as it is, it cannot be brought down to a debate over daycare and kids' clubs. There are many reasons why parents may choose to use the latter, and molestation of the child cannot be blamed on the parent who does so. This could just as easily happen to a child left one evening for parents to have an elegant dinner alone, as it could to a child left 5 days in a kids' club. Shall no parents ever plan an evening out while on vacation? Shall we just cocoon at home, fearful of underdone burgers and disease-carrying mosquitos? Parents face many calculated risks every day, and placing a child in a well-reviewed day care at a high-end resort falls well within normal bounds of acceptable risk. Please consider the pain and guilt of these parents before posting blanket statements regarding their vigilance or negligence.
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Aug 16th, 2003, 04:54 AM
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If you call the phone number to Mike Caplin At the CHILDHelpUSA line he will verify the ongoing investigation. Wyndham had the references to check and did not check them. It is not a violation of privacy acts for the Wyndham to contact the families of the children in the kid's club during Bryan Hornby's employment. Some would feel there is a duty to report suspected child abuse. Again the man has been convicted. I certainly don't want any money and have no wish to sue anyone. I am concerned that other families are made aware that their children may have been victims of Bryan Hornby's and that is where I believe Wyndham Corporate should help.
I'm not great at links but I've just pulled a few articles from my files and I'll give you sources, headlines and dates-
1)The Virgin Islands Daily News- May 17,2001 "Hornby gets 5 years for rape"

2)Virgin Islands Daily News- May 17, 2001- "Child-care worker gets 5 years for unlawful sexual contact"

3)The Virgin Islands Daily News- March 29, 2001 "Mother testifies in resort rape"

4) The St. Thomas Source- Can't read the date but believe it is 3/2001. author- Jean Eisinger. "Sugar Bay, Wyndham still mum on child's rape"
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Aug 16th, 2003, 05:34 AM
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These references that the Wyndham supposedly had to check and didn't . . . what were the references and what did they/would they say? Just becausehe previously worked at anotherWyndham property doesn't mean that other resort knew he was a child molester either! And if they called someone on a reference and that reference that he was previously "accused" of child molesting but there was no conviction, it could be possible discrimination on the part of the Wyndham NOT to hire him. There is only required disclosure on the record if there is a prior CONVICTION, even a prior arrest is not required to be disclosed unless it ultimately results in a conviction (I am an attorney as well). THERFORE, I stand by my previous belief that the Wyndham had had no way of knowing of this cretin's tendencies unless he had a prior conviction (which I don't believe he did) As someone else said they could have checked until the cow's come home home on his background. Please if you know something else about what these references were and you have proof that they were checked and further know that the Wyndham had a duty not to hire the individual after that, please advise me of same or point me to where I can find that information!

As for the other issue about releasing the names of children cared for by him, as an attorney I know that if the Wyndham did so they would be opening themselves up to all kinds of lawsuits and that disclosure is note required by law. As I said some nut job would due if you did notify the parents because their child was not molested but now the media has got a hold of the story and caused emotional damage to the child anyway (yes this could easily happen and inthat scenario the Wyndham WOULD be liable for causing the emotional damage to the child because they wer ethe ones who released the information)

I think a lot of people on here do NOT understand our legal system and they think so and so should do this or do that, but in reality that may not either be possible or practical. byt he way someone previously mentioned a class action to prosecute this guy (a class action is a CIVIL suit not a CRIMINAL suit) and from what I can tell thsi guy is already being prosecuted (already has aa conviction in fact) let's hope he goes to jail for a long long time! But let's also hope that people put fault where it belongs ON HIM and don't try to dig up money fromt he Wyndham who appears they believe should have done something else (even though this something else is not required by law). As for required reporting requirements, if they suspect abuse of a specific child and have evidence top back it up, they are by law required to report that. Here there is no suspected abuse of a certain child, there is not the slightest clue as to whether any of the other children have been abused, much less which ones, reporting suspected abuse of achild thatr didn't occur would as aI said jsut open them up to a lawsuit. I am sorry to go on so long and get on my soapbox but as this is actually soemthing I know about and do for a living I thought I might let others know before someone stirs up a witchunt agaisnt the Wyndham! I am not being callous. As I said many times over, what thsi guy did is beyond wrong1 However, he is the one to blame not the Wyndham!
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Aug 16th, 2003, 05:43 AM
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sunlover- You bring up a lot of valid points and I am certainly not an attorney. At this point I will leave it up to others involved if they would like to bring up the other kid's camp counselors in that camp believing that there was a problem with Bryan Hornby. I do not at this point have any facts in hand to prove that, just private discussions. This is not a case of one child but multiple independent allegations against this man.
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Aug 16th, 2003, 07:27 AM
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I agree with you KathyK, why would anyone leave their kids with strangers while on vacation?! And GoTravel I respectfully disagree. Kids can interact with other kids while on vacation with their parents right next to them.
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Aug 16th, 2003, 07:48 AM
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Where does anyone get off making this about the parents? How can anyone make it the parents' fault if a person holding a position explicitly defined as being entrusted with the care of children commits a heinous crime against them?

How the children ended up in the care of a sex offender is a tangential issue. That there was assault on the children is the crime, and the criminal was the perpetrator of that crime.
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