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San Francisco - Happy Sweet 16, dining, shopping, Alcatraz and more!

Aug 31st, 2009, 05:42 PM
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OMG Deb, that link makes one want to lick the screen!
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Aug 31st, 2009, 06:12 PM
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oh my! that looks amazing! and I was just getting ready to ask what burrata is! thanks for sharing the link!
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Aug 31st, 2009, 07:41 PM
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Ditto everything Dayenu said. If you lived here, you would understand, but locals tend NOT to give money to the homeless/panhandlers. I don't struggle with this anymore -- I honestly think giving money to individuals on the street is a bad idea. I used to have a hard time just walking by without making eye contact, but you learn to do what you have to do, and when you work where I do, you absolutely have to do it.
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Aug 31st, 2009, 07:51 PM
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Sf - I learned in about 20 minutes - when there are SO many I am not sure how it is avoided? I am really a softy... but there was something *undesperate - almost like "yeah, I am homeless so what?" :-? It was odd.

Anyway - I love S.F. and will gladly return but I might stay outside of Union Square and perhaps not encounter as many? Maybe stay over at my old favorite Casa Madrona Inn ... and head over to enjoy the city...
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Aug 31st, 2009, 09:40 PM
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Dawn, you are a wonderful Stepmother. Your SD is so lucky to have you in her life. Your trip will be a wonderful memory for both of you forever. Glad it was so much fun. I too have noticed a large number of very aggressive homeless people on our recent trips to SF. Kind of scared me too. We go to LA and other LA County areas often and I have not noticed anything as aggressive as I did in SF. Maybe I am just closing my eyes when I am here as I know the area so well, but don't think I am.
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Aug 31st, 2009, 10:15 PM
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MomDDTravel,
I live about 30 min's south of SF now and I want you to take me on a sightseeing tour!

I've lived in both Chicago and SF for a number of years and the homeless situation is worse in SF. What really bothered me when I lived there were the numbers of homeless children and teenagers in desperate situations. As others have posted, I give to local charities. I have learned that many homeless shelters are women/children only or men only, so it's hard for homeless families to stay together. I donate to Shelter Network, which has apartments for families and a timeline to help them find work and housing of their own.

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Sep 1st, 2009, 07:28 AM
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Bmarie - come on over!

Regarding the families that is very sad... and I did not encounter any children - that would have ripped my heart out. Great on the Shelter Network.

Cali - dh said that this was a trip that my stepdaughter will always remember - I hope so.
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Sep 1st, 2009, 08:03 AM
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I feel like I have to defend San Francisco vis-a-vis the homeless situation. It is awful and has been since all the mental institutions were closed (Ronald Reagan as governor I believe -- this was before I lived here). As for homeless teenagers, they're not all FROM here, they COME here from all over the country. Also, honestly, I don't find our homeless/panhandlers aggressive at all, numerous, but not aggressive. They sit or stand on the sidewalk with their hands out and yes, they ask for "spare change", but they don't generally approach or accost people physically, which is why it's pretty easy to just walk on by. I understand that if you're not from a big city, this may be scary to you, but I'm curious what the "large number of very aggressive homeless people" were actually doing.
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Sep 1st, 2009, 08:25 AM
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ut I'm curious what the "large number of very aggressive homeless people" were actually doing.
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I appreciate your standpoint - and was not trying to be offensive at all. They were approaching, one followed us for a block and continued to try to talk to us and ask for $$ - another in front of the theater grabbed mine and my stepdaughter's hand and clasped them together and said that God loved us and could we please give him $$$.

I do think that they "come" to SF - interesting on the flight home, while watching tv there was a special on the street children from San Diego (teens) and several were speaking of moving to SF - so no doubt.
And the number alone is daunting to *me - I can see how it would discourage people from returning to vacation. As I shared, I would stay outside of Union Square on a next visit.
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Sep 1st, 2009, 08:31 AM
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Actually MomDD, I wasn't referring to your post, I was referring to Cali's, but I'm very surprised that they were so aggressive toward you. I have never experienced that in all my years here (but maybe I'm just oblivious to it, because you have to be)
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Sep 1st, 2009, 08:48 AM
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I was not sure - I also think I should add - that I have been to SF 5 or 6 times - it is one of my favorite cities. This was the worst I have seen it - could have been poor timing - you know - someone relieving themselves RIGHT in front of you was sort of surprising.

If nothing else I was sadden by it and curious if it has indeed become worse over the last few years (I have not been to SF since the spring of 2007).
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 03:50 AM
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Interesting news about A16 in today's Times. The 30 year old chef and partner, Nate Appleman, has abruptly left to move to NY and begin a restaurant with Keith McNally (owner of the Water Club). Also interesting is that A16 is opening a branch in Tokyo tomorrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/02/di...r=1&ref=dining
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 04:49 AM
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Dawn - I know it was very hot when you walked, but approximately how long does it take to walk from Pier 33 to the Ferry Bldg?
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 05:23 PM
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Ohhhh, good question! I'd like to know too!
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 05:54 PM
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cpg, do you mean from Pier 39? If so, you can take the F line - the streetcars

http://blog.streetcar.org/maps.html
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 05:59 PM
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Oh, Pier 33 for Alcatraz. Well, still the F line -
http://www.nps.gov/alca/planyourvisit/directions.htm
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 06:20 PM
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starrs, what a great link for a map of the street cars! I needed something like this!
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 06:54 PM
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Yes, it would have been way better - it was a pretty long walk - it would have been fine if we had already not walked so much and I was really trying to stay out of the sun...and it was blistering down on us.
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 06:55 PM
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I think you walked 4 miles.
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Sep 2nd, 2009, 07:02 PM
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It's actually closer to a mile (Google Maps is wrong if you type in Pier 33).
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