"If a NY'er visited their home town and told the local people to stick it because they were helping the economy, they would be considered doubly rude because it came from a NY'er. But for some reason it OK to express hostility to NY'ers."

I guess because NY has a long history of arrogance towards the rest of the country. ie."fly over states"

If a NY'er visited their home town and told the local people to stick it because they were helping the economy, they would be considered doubly rude because it came from a NY'er. But for some reason it OK to express hostility to NY'ers."

I guess because NY has a long history of arrogance towards the rest of the country. ie."fly over states"

I have never used the term "fly over states" and yours is just an other justification for bad behavior.

I have many visited states on business and pleasure and I am very careful as what I say due to the type of stereotypes as stated above. I do not know many times people say, we expected you to be arrogant.

As I noted in other topics notes many visitors think they must be aggressive as a pre-emptive strike. If we were aggressive with one another, we would not have one of the lowest homicide rates in the country.

When the there 8 million people in a confined area, we must learn to live with one another.

8 million people in a confined area need to learn to live with the tourists or move to podunk where they would not have to be bothered with them impeding access to sidwalks

It is the home of 8 million people, it is just a tourist atttraction. It a world center for the arts, commerce, finance, communications, and education. Tourism is but one aspect.

I stop at least once a week and ask tourists if they need help. (Staring at a map is my clue.)

What is interesting as I noted, if visited you home town and acted like a rude guest would you happy just because I was dropping money?

I LOVE NYers!

re: <<I can only wonder how some of my fellow New Yorkers on this thread act when they are tourists in, say, another major tourist capital such as Paris or Rome! Do they conform to the "rules" in those cities?>>

Yes, 98% if the time I do. In the rare cases where I space out and do something stupid, I'm more than glad to get an impatient sigh, glare, or grumble from a local. Once, here in NY (I can't remember whether it was back in my tourist days or after moving here), I got distracted and made a sudden stop or turn in the middle of a crowded sidewalk and heard a woman mutter under her breath "are you stupid or what...", and I was SO HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, because it's exactly what I'd say too (she was right-- that was stupid)-- I immediately thought, "I love this place!"

<<And so - all this hype about a visit to the Statue of Liberty. Hey - the real deal is to get a lot of tourists out of the way - and especially making them wait in those long lines for the SOL ferry and all.>>

I always thought so about the lines to go up the Eiffel Tower.

Not sure what makes you think New Yorkers don;t travel. In fact we tend to travel - esp out of the country - more than people from most other areas - often since so many of us are FROM somewhere else. And as a rule we try not to do stupid things (which are similar but not identical in most large cities). and if I'm doing something the wrong way in terms of local habits I'm perfectly happy to be told about it.

What is stupid is people who go somewhere else and don't expect things to be different - or that they need to adapt to these differences..

I once went to New Jersey but I got scared and came right home.

By the way, if a Ny'er says to another to NY'er, "What are you stupid?" you are indicted, convicted, and sentenced. There is no appeal. You are stupid. If is worse if you do not know what you did. So the woman who said that to MFifi thought Mfifi was a Ny'er, because we would not say that to a visitor.

You can just imagine what they would post on Fodor's.

Quick survey.
Has any visitor ever been called "stupid" on the streets of NYC?

Has any NY'er not given you directions?

I can think of only one negative encounter with a New Yorker during very regular visits over the past, say 15 years (that is, as long as you exclude driving). I think it was actually during my family's first visit there, we were looking for bagels on a weekend morning, & had heard H & H was good. We found one of their stores somewhere way over on the west side in the 40's I think, but realized after we went in that it was take away only - no tables. We stood there for a few moments deciding what to do, and an older woman brushed past us grumbling "Out of towners.."

Oh yeah, there was also one time my trunk was relieved of its contents in Soho. Of course I can't prove that was a New Yorker.

"When NYers go on vacation outside NY (the few who do)"

The FEW who do?! Um, OK.