Road to Hana w/ 1 yr. old?
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Oct 21st, 2001, 05:10 PM
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RFLMAO! Eric, any traveler worth his salt wouldn't go near Hawaii (OK, well maybe Molokai). Hawaii just may be the VACATION capitol of the world! All visitors to Hawaii are vacationers. Just had to straighten you out on that one. Yeah right! Rick Steve's guide to Hawaii. I think not.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 05:04 AM
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What is the difference between a vacationer and a traveler?? According to Merriam-Webster - Travel: to go on or as if on a trip or tour; Vacation: a period spent away from home or business in travel or recreation - Is a traveler more wordly? which is what I gather from this thread. But a vacationer can travel...can a traveler vacation??
Oct 22nd, 2001, 05:40 AM
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Hi Deb. My sister asked me to read and respond to this. My son is 14 months old and we've taken him to Universal Studios, Seqouia National Park, Yosemite, CA coast, Playa del Carmen, Nantucket, South Carolina coast, San Antonio and are headed to Miami and the Dominican Republic the first week in December. We don't have a choice as to whether we can leave him home anymore (unfortunetely our Mom can no longer handle a baby for a week),nor do we really want to. I would have no qualms about driving the road to Hana with him. (I've done it before we had him). Eric obviously doesn't travel with children, so really is in no position to comment.
Like most parents, we also have enough sense not to take him to nice restaurants. We eat at very casual, family places early (never after 6:00). If someone at that type of restaurant at that time expects a romantic dinner then they should expect to be disturbed! Either that or we picnic as much as possible.
Try to travel light. Don't take a crib, use the hotels but bring safety pins to make sure the sheet is pulled tightly. Don't take a clip-on high chair. Use the tray on the stroller. Take it slow and don't plan too much. Be flexible. We are lucky that our son is easy. We never stay in for naps. He naps in the car or his stroller and is a real trooper. Take your child, use common sense and have fun!
Like most parents, we also have enough sense not to take him to nice restaurants. We eat at very casual, family places early (never after 6:00). If someone at that type of restaurant at that time expects a romantic dinner then they should expect to be disturbed! Either that or we picnic as much as possible.
Try to travel light. Don't take a crib, use the hotels but bring safety pins to make sure the sheet is pulled tightly. Don't take a clip-on high chair. Use the tray on the stroller. Take it slow and don't plan too much. Be flexible. We are lucky that our son is easy. We never stay in for naps. He naps in the car or his stroller and is a real trooper. Take your child, use common sense and have fun!
Oct 22nd, 2001, 05:42 AM
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Aggghhhh! I couldnt stand it anymore I had to throw my 2 cents in.
Why must people constantly critisize parents decisions on travelling with their children. They are probably the same people who critisize parents who put there children in day care too. They just cant make up there mind.
NOT all children are evil monsters that whine and cry and throw up everywhere. I am an adult and I am a pain in the ass on the plane. I and terrified so I cry, I have panic attacks and I have been known to loose my lunch. Should I not be allowed on a plane?
This caring parent wanted to find out if taking her child on a car trip was a good idea. She didnt ask for your opinion if she should take her child to Hawaii. Honestly do you think she really cares what you think? Just as sure as no one will care what I think, its my opinion. I have just be fortunate enough to be around great, well mannered children as a nanny and used to take my twin girls out to lunch in nice restaurants twice a week from the time they where 4 months old and was never a disruption or ruined anyones meals.
I hope you and your family have a gret time in Hawaii.
Why must people constantly critisize parents decisions on travelling with their children. They are probably the same people who critisize parents who put there children in day care too. They just cant make up there mind.
NOT all children are evil monsters that whine and cry and throw up everywhere. I am an adult and I am a pain in the ass on the plane. I and terrified so I cry, I have panic attacks and I have been known to loose my lunch. Should I not be allowed on a plane?
This caring parent wanted to find out if taking her child on a car trip was a good idea. She didnt ask for your opinion if she should take her child to Hawaii. Honestly do you think she really cares what you think? Just as sure as no one will care what I think, its my opinion. I have just be fortunate enough to be around great, well mannered children as a nanny and used to take my twin girls out to lunch in nice restaurants twice a week from the time they where 4 months old and was never a disruption or ruined anyones meals.
I hope you and your family have a gret time in Hawaii.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 05:50 AM
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To Juli:
Not ALL sharks are evil monsters, yet people don't like them in the ocean with them!!!
So, I guess it's okay to discriminate against wildlife, pets, fat people with smelly cigars, but woe if we should say we don't like screaming in our ears at a restaurant or on a plane.
Not ALL sharks are evil monsters, yet people don't like them in the ocean with them!!!
So, I guess it's okay to discriminate against wildlife, pets, fat people with smelly cigars, but woe if we should say we don't like screaming in our ears at a restaurant or on a plane.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 06:00 AM
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What part of my thread indicated that I discriminate against wildlife, pets, fat people with smelly cigars?
Maybe you should go back and read it.
My point is that not all children are beasts. I wouldnt like a child screaming in my ear at a restausrant or plane either. But it happens. Some parents overestimate there kids and have no common sense.
But dont trash a parent who loves there child and wants to take them on a trip. You may have heard that many parents have to both work these days and it would be a great way for them to spend quality time with there kids.
Signed:
The shark loving, dog owning, need to lose 20 pounds, cuban cigar smuggling person who loves kids.
Maybe you should go back and read it.
My point is that not all children are beasts. I wouldnt like a child screaming in my ear at a restausrant or plane either. But it happens. Some parents overestimate there kids and have no common sense.
But dont trash a parent who loves there child and wants to take them on a trip. You may have heard that many parents have to both work these days and it would be a great way for them to spend quality time with there kids.
Signed:
The shark loving, dog owning, need to lose 20 pounds, cuban cigar smuggling person who loves kids.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 06:35 AM
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Dearest Julie:
Where in my post did I say that you, Julie, discriminated against anything? Have you ever heard of RHETORICAL QUESTIONS?
Have you ever considered that some of us who don't think it's a good idea to ALWAYS take children on trips are also parents, who love their children and want to show them the world, but who also acknowledge that sometimes, some trips, are just not appropriate at a certain age? Ever consider that?
Also, where in my post did I TRASH parents? Man, you're sensitive. Hey, I know all about childcare, and dual working parents. But I don't have a chip on my shoulder about it. (Not that I'm saying that you do; god forbid.)
Where in my post did I say that you, Julie, discriminated against anything? Have you ever heard of RHETORICAL QUESTIONS?
Have you ever considered that some of us who don't think it's a good idea to ALWAYS take children on trips are also parents, who love their children and want to show them the world, but who also acknowledge that sometimes, some trips, are just not appropriate at a certain age? Ever consider that?
Also, where in my post did I TRASH parents? Man, you're sensitive. Hey, I know all about childcare, and dual working parents. But I don't have a chip on my shoulder about it. (Not that I'm saying that you do; god forbid.)
Oct 22nd, 2001, 10:22 AM
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Look, I am not sure how I became the champion of children's traveling rights. I dont even have my own children yet just a boyfriend who can be like a whiney 5 year old. I have alot of exprience working with children and I enjoy there company. Sometimes more then adults.
The original question had nothing to do with your response, Marlin.
Does anyone really care that you dont think its appropriate for children to travel? That wasnt the question was it?
Nope.
I just get tired of the same ol' thread where someone askes a question about a good place to bring children, whether a place they have picked out is good for children, or what to do with there children on vacation and most responses are "LEAVE THE KID AT HOME"
For many its not realistic to leave there children home and many dont want to....SO I say TRAVEL AWAY !!!I just wanted to show my support, not a big chip on my shoulder.
The original question had nothing to do with your response, Marlin.
Does anyone really care that you dont think its appropriate for children to travel? That wasnt the question was it?
Nope.
I just get tired of the same ol' thread where someone askes a question about a good place to bring children, whether a place they have picked out is good for children, or what to do with there children on vacation and most responses are "LEAVE THE KID AT HOME"
For many its not realistic to leave there children home and many dont want to....SO I say TRAVEL AWAY !!!I just wanted to show my support, not a big chip on my shoulder.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 11:29 AM
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Has anybody noticed that Deb has not responded since her original RESONABLE question? I have to hope that she is sitting back and enjoying this one! I know I sure am.
Hey Eric-we are STILL waiting. Cat got your tongue? Maybe mommy made you get off the computer.
Hey Eric-we are STILL waiting. Cat got your tongue? Maybe mommy made you get off the computer.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 03:02 PM
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Maybe Eric agrees with me. I don't think there are any appropriate vacation spots to take a one year old. Either leave home with Grandma or, if you can't do that, think about actually making a personal sacrifice and not taking a trip until the child is old enough to control their own behavior and maybe even appreciate the experience. I am sick of having a $200 romantic dinner ruined by selfish yuppies who insist on bringing a screaming, farting, banging, crying infant into the restaurant. And then they just sit there totally oblivious and clueless as the other diners give them dirty looks.
Oct 22nd, 2001, 04:03 PM
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Never thought I'd respond to one of these contentious posts but there's a time for everything, even traveling with young children.
My second child celebrated her first birthday in Hawaii. (And her second for that matter.) We have a passion for Hawaii and that particular passion didn't end when we had children. Did our style of traveling change? Definitely. The road to Hana trips are over for now, even the trips up to Waimea Canyon are over until one of us can handle twisty roads better. We sure won't be able to do any bike rides down Haleakula or snorkle tours to Molokini, or for that matter, any romantic dinners at the Four Seasons but we have done a lot of other great things with our young kids in Hawaii and they sure have beat spending a wet February, cold and damp, in the Pacific Northwest.
We now rent a condo or a house- hotels just don't work as well. We eat most meals in. We play at the beach, find great parks, go to farmer's markets, buy puzzles and crayons at K mart on rainy days, and find joy in little things like watching our kids mimic the ubiquitous wild chickens (jungle fowl) on Kauai. This past year we did short hikes at the volcano, spent a couple of nights in a treehouse in the Waipio Valley, (counted lots of geckos on the windows at night and split open lots of coconuts)and enjoyed daily visits from a flock of neighborhood duck in South Kona. We were just thrilled to be in a place that we love with our kids, palm trees, beaches, and a hammock. I very much doubt that we upset anyone's vacation. Is it the same trip that we'll take when our kids are grown? No, of course not. Are we dragging our kids around? No. Do we have wonderful memories of our trips and are our children happy to have been included? You bet. It's all about being being responsible and respectful and making good decisions. And believe me, people without children and folks who choose not to travel with their young children haven't cornered the market on being great travelers.
My second child celebrated her first birthday in Hawaii. (And her second for that matter.) We have a passion for Hawaii and that particular passion didn't end when we had children. Did our style of traveling change? Definitely. The road to Hana trips are over for now, even the trips up to Waimea Canyon are over until one of us can handle twisty roads better. We sure won't be able to do any bike rides down Haleakula or snorkle tours to Molokini, or for that matter, any romantic dinners at the Four Seasons but we have done a lot of other great things with our young kids in Hawaii and they sure have beat spending a wet February, cold and damp, in the Pacific Northwest.
We now rent a condo or a house- hotels just don't work as well. We eat most meals in. We play at the beach, find great parks, go to farmer's markets, buy puzzles and crayons at K mart on rainy days, and find joy in little things like watching our kids mimic the ubiquitous wild chickens (jungle fowl) on Kauai. This past year we did short hikes at the volcano, spent a couple of nights in a treehouse in the Waipio Valley, (counted lots of geckos on the windows at night and split open lots of coconuts)and enjoyed daily visits from a flock of neighborhood duck in South Kona. We were just thrilled to be in a place that we love with our kids, palm trees, beaches, and a hammock. I very much doubt that we upset anyone's vacation. Is it the same trip that we'll take when our kids are grown? No, of course not. Are we dragging our kids around? No. Do we have wonderful memories of our trips and are our children happy to have been included? You bet. It's all about being being responsible and respectful and making good decisions. And believe me, people without children and folks who choose not to travel with their young children haven't cornered the market on being great travelers.
