Red light + Letting a friend drive in San francisco..
Nov 12th, 2009, 04:41 PM
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In CA the ticket can not be assigned to the owner of the car. The picture taken will be compared with the photo DMV has of the registered owner. When it doesn't match the red light company, not the city or county of SF, will send a notice that looks official but is not. They will expect you to turn in your friend. You are not required by law to do that.
Here is information regarding what you will get in the mail. 18 months ago someone driving our car was photographed running a red light. I shredded the info. I've registered the car twice since. There are no repercussions from ignoring that notice.
Here is what the snitch ticket clooks like. It's the one I shredded:
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlig...awth4Fake.html
Here is information regarding what you will get in the mail. 18 months ago someone driving our car was photographed running a red light. I shredded the info. I've registered the car twice since. There are no repercussions from ignoring that notice.
Here is what the snitch ticket clooks like. It's the one I shredded:
http://www.highwayrobbery.net/redlig...awth4Fake.html
Nov 12th, 2009, 05:26 PM
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Geez Fodors is good for a lecture but short on facts on this thread.
Don't worry about traffic school the ticket will not be assigned to you.
If you don't live in CA or don't know the laws in CA you should bow out of providing factual information on this thread.
If you are simply compelled to lecture then go right ahead. Simple enough to ignore.
Don't worry about traffic school the ticket will not be assigned to you.
If you don't live in CA or don't know the laws in CA you should bow out of providing factual information on this thread.
If you are simply compelled to lecture then go right ahead. Simple enough to ignore.
Nov 12th, 2009, 05:37 PM
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Someone who gets nauseous driving probably shouldn't be driving a car.
And if you're sick and there is no other licensed driver you either stay where you are until you recover or call a friend with a license or call a cab.
There is NO excuse for letting someone without a license drive a car.
Didn;t know the rules ere different in SF - here is your car does it you're responsible unless you can prove someone else was driving - they;re definitely going to get someone for the crime.
And if you're sick and there is no other licensed driver you either stay where you are until you recover or call a friend with a license or call a cab.
There is NO excuse for letting someone without a license drive a car.
Didn;t know the rules ere different in SF - here is your car does it you're responsible unless you can prove someone else was driving - they;re definitely going to get someone for the crime.
Nov 13th, 2009, 09:06 AM
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There is no way you can "monitor" someone who's driving. the only thing that counts is whose hands are on the wheel and whose feet on the pedals. Unless you plan on pulling the wheel out of someone's hands - "monitoring" while moving isn't possible.
In any case - you can't let someone without a license drive - no matter what the circumstances.
You seem to have a lot of excuses - but not really understand what you did wrong. Perhaps if they did seize your car you would get a wake up call.
In any case - you can't let someone without a license drive - no matter what the circumstances.
You seem to have a lot of excuses - but not really understand what you did wrong. Perhaps if they did seize your car you would get a wake up call.
Nov 13th, 2009, 10:01 AM
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I've lived in California all my life (60+ years). About 12 years ago, my car was stopped at a red light on El Camino Real (major street). I was rear-ended by another car. The Police arrived and talked to everyone & wrote an accident report. The driver of the other car did not have a licence. His car was confiscated and the driver had to find some other means home. The police officer provided us with the name & address of the person the car was registered to. The car was not registered to the driver. There was a passenger in the other car - he had to find another way home too (don't know if he had a license - police were not interested in him).
Found out later that the guy driving the other car "borrowed" it from his girlfriend - who was quite young & lived about 1 block from us with her parents. We live in a very "upscale" neihborhood. Boy seemed to be about 18 years old. The un-licensed driver & girlfriend filed a false claim with her insurance company - which the insurance company didn't believe for a minute because it completly contradicted the police report (their story said that I ran into their car while it was parked in a parking lot and the "boy" was not involved in the incident at all). After their insurance paid for all of our repairs, my guess is that her insurance and the insurance for her parents cars was cancelled. You can't drive in California without insurance. I'm also guessing that the daughter no longer had a car of her own.
Yep - don't let anyone un-licenced drive your car.
Stu Dudley
Found out later that the guy driving the other car "borrowed" it from his girlfriend - who was quite young & lived about 1 block from us with her parents. We live in a very "upscale" neihborhood. Boy seemed to be about 18 years old. The un-licensed driver & girlfriend filed a false claim with her insurance company - which the insurance company didn't believe for a minute because it completly contradicted the police report (their story said that I ran into their car while it was parked in a parking lot and the "boy" was not involved in the incident at all). After their insurance paid for all of our repairs, my guess is that her insurance and the insurance for her parents cars was cancelled. You can't drive in California without insurance. I'm also guessing that the daughter no longer had a car of her own.
Yep - don't let anyone un-licenced drive your car.
Stu Dudley
Nov 13th, 2009, 12:26 PM
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Uh Michelle whether you cut and paste that form somewhere doesn't matter, that's not the law in CA. It's SF trying to intimidate drivers. Cities can't change the driving laws in CA. They can act like they can attach a moving violation to a car owner but they can't because the CA DMV won't do it. Also ther is no law compelling the owner to identify the driver. Uh.
Nov 13th, 2009, 01:55 PM
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Well from what I have read the SF Supes have passed a "law" if one is an illegal resident and are stopped by the SFPD driving a vehicle without a proper driver license (which also means no insurance) they will be allowed to contact a licensed driver to come and drive their vehicle away. Twenty minutes is the time limit which among other things makes me chuckle as I doubt most people contacted could arrive within twenty minutes. Otherwise the SFPD are to call into to their PD station to get instructions as to whether or not the vehicle should be impounded. So it appears if you drive in SF without a proper drivers license make sure you are an illegal resident evidently.
Nov 13th, 2009, 05:43 PM
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What the SF supes did was to direct their police officers to allow drivers without a valid license to contact someone who does have one to come and get their vehicle so that it dces not get impounded. Not exactly in the same concept as ticketing a car owner vs the driver who ran the red light.
Not a law either. It's procedural.
Not a law either. It's procedural.
Nov 14th, 2009, 10:33 AM
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And Suzie, does it have anything to do with being an "illegal resident" or does it apply to any driver without a valid license? (LI, I was questioning the term because 1) I didn't know if you meant an illegal resident of the United States or of San Francisco, and 2) I find it hard to believe they are singling out unlicensed drivers who happen to be illegal residents)
Nov 14th, 2009, 11:08 AM
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I think there were problems with COPS "pulling over" an (unknown to the COP) person who did not have a license. If the person was an illegal with no licence & no insurance, the illegal would often try to avoid the COP and take off on a dangerous high speed chase. The story I read said that the illegals felt that "running" was the best alternative, since their car was going to be impounded, they would be cited, and perhaps turned over to immigration (last action is doubtful - but I've heard that illegals don't want to take any chances). Of course, non-illegals might decide to flee too.
The new Police Chief felt that if the person without the license could have a chance to keep his car & not spend a ton of money in the process, he would be less likely to flee.
Stu Dudley
The new Police Chief felt that if the person without the license could have a chance to keep his car & not spend a ton of money in the process, he would be less likely to flee.
Stu Dudley
Nov 14th, 2009, 04:22 PM
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if you are that nauseous from a road trip (and I myself have had motions sickness on car rides so I know what it feels like) I would make a good guess that you are hung over from the night before.
Nov 14th, 2009, 08:04 PM
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mztery, sure but there could be many reasons Chesco1 was sick. As just one, maybe she's a girl and she's pregnant?
But I mostly wanted to post to say that we were in Los Angeles and got sent a ticket from the LAPD for a rental car. The infraction occurred a week after we left the state and the rental car agency put in the wrong dates for who had rented the vehicle.
Despite the picture clearly not matching my husband and our copies of our airline tickets etc, the police made us do a lot of hoops with the rental agency to get it cleared. Also the items we received were from LAPD not from a third party company. I would not ignore or shred it if I were you.
But I mostly wanted to post to say that we were in Los Angeles and got sent a ticket from the LAPD for a rental car. The infraction occurred a week after we left the state and the rental car agency put in the wrong dates for who had rented the vehicle.
Despite the picture clearly not matching my husband and our copies of our airline tickets etc, the police made us do a lot of hoops with the rental agency to get it cleared. Also the items we received were from LAPD not from a third party company. I would not ignore or shred it if I were you.
