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MerryTravel Oct 27th, 2005 06:34 AM

Recent tourist drownings in Hawaii
 
Two tourists drowned within a few days of each other and it's only October. One just a 19-year-old on a business trip, and the other left a woman on a vacation for her 20th anniversary a widow. BE CAREFUL EVERYONE!!!

http://starbulletin.com/2005/10/26/news/story13.html

http://www.kauaiworld.com/articles/2...ews/news04.txt

iamq Oct 27th, 2005 06:39 AM

How sad. Read and heed the warning signs that are posted! They are there for a reason.

-Bill

cmeyer54 Oct 27th, 2005 06:58 AM

Our rule - NEVER turn your back on the ocean and don't go in to 'play in the waves' alone....

kamahinaohoku Oct 27th, 2005 07:02 AM

Please see this from a few days ago:
http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=34696725

MerryTravel Oct 27th, 2005 07:30 AM

Thanks for linking to that kamahinaohoku. I did a search to see if this had been posted and didn't find anything.

kamahinaohoku Oct 27th, 2005 07:39 AM

You're welcome, MerryTravel.
((S))((*))

Kal Oct 27th, 2005 08:12 AM

Growing up in San Diego, my cousins told me never trust or turn your back on the ocean.

Rogue waves are the worst.

I think the problem with Hawaii is some people really DO think it's a Garden of Eden and don't have to be as careful as they are while back home in their own rivers, lakes, canyons, snow etc....

[-o<

P_M Oct 27th, 2005 08:53 AM

About 20 years ago I went to Hawaii and I almost drowned. I was swimming somewhere along the north shore of Oahu. At first the waves weren't too big, just 2 or 3 feet. But suddenly they started getting a lot bigger. I decided to get out of the water, so I turned toward the shore, with my back to the water. Suddenly I heard a loud roar, I looked back, and a huge wave was coming at me. The wave slapped me face down into the sand, slid me up the shoreline, then the undertow sucked me back out. I could feel sand going into my nose and every place imaginable that you don't want sand, if you know what I mean. I tried to get up but a second wave hit me and that time I tumbled around like a beach ball.

Finally I felt someone grab my wrists and drag me to safety. It was a bystander on shore. Several people came around to see if I was OK. I wasn't badly hurt, just very shaken, and I think I broke my tailbone because it was really sore for the next month.

I have learned about turning my back to the sea, and I advise everyone else to beware of doing that.

OO Oct 27th, 2005 09:10 AM

P_M...scary experience and one you won't ever forget. My husband had a similar one in Maui--only hit once but once was bad enough. I was a lifeguard and swim instructor in college--am 100% comfortable in the water, but those waves were serious waves and scared me! We had a black tie dinner that night. He looked real nice with black tie and nose devoid of skin from bridge to tip, but it could have been far worse!!

julesj66 Oct 27th, 2005 10:57 AM

I had a similiarly scary experiece playing in the ocean in Maui 2 yrs ago - north of Kaanapali - it wasn't that the waves were so HUGE, but the current was very very strong, it took every ounce of energy I could muster to get myself out of the ocean - regardless of if I had my front or back to the waves. I was thrown around & slammed under water - I could've easily broken my neck. Yes -be careful!

Curt Oct 27th, 2005 11:18 AM

Ditto. My wife still has some scars from being thrown/washed into rocks on the shore while we snorkeled (in what was at first fairly calm bay) in Kauai. It can happen fast and if you are not prepared you can be in trouble. Pay attention to what is happening. Read the hints that are in the visitor guides and heed the signs.

dwooddon Oct 27th, 2005 04:14 PM

It does not need to be Hawaii either. The beaches along the southern California coast are not feared or respected nearly as much as they ought to be. As a result, every years, there are dozens of drownings and hundreds of injuries that could mostly be avoided by following the advice in this post.

alanwar Oct 28th, 2005 08:32 AM

My ocean common sense rules

1. Never turn your back on the ocean
2. If no one else is in the water then stay out. Find the locals and don't be more adventurous than them.
3. Each time you venture a little further out, come back in to be sure you'll be able to make it. As you go out pay attention to the undertoe.
4. Go back in once you *begin* to get tired
5. If a wave crashes in front of you then dive under it
6. Stay away from surfers and boogie boarders (unless you are surfing or boogie boarding)

Any others ? I know there is some way to watch for rip currents but don't know how to describe it.

Alan

travelinwifey Oct 28th, 2005 08:51 AM

It is really sad, I think we all have such good times on vacation sometimes caution is thrown to the wind by accident. There have been times when I accidentally walk out on the street without looking, something I never would do at home. This post is a good reminder of always staying on guard when traveling.

semiramis Oct 28th, 2005 09:05 AM

Similar experience to some of the others:
I was playing in the ocean on Maui. The water was no more than waist-deep. Suddenly, a bunch of BIG waves started rolling in. I tried to get out but I was not fast enough. One caught me and slammed me down hard on one knee. Then the undertow caught me and proceeded to drag me out. Luckily my husband and another man grabbed me and dragged me ashore. The result - sand in many private places and I could barely hobble on my swollen knee for the next couple of days. I was being cautious. After that I became SUPER careful and at the very first sign of any change in wave action, I headed in to shore. We also tried to stick to only those beaches that are reef protected or otherwise protected.
As others have said:
1. Never, ever turn your back on the ocean
2. If no-one else is swimming there, take the hint - neither should you!
3. Take heed of ALL signs.
4. Never swim where there are surfers and serious boogie boarders - they are LOOKING for big waves.
5. If the waves seem to be getting bigger, get out of the water immediately
6. The safest beaches are the ones where local people are allowing their small children to swim

Barbara Oct 28th, 2005 09:36 AM

dwooden,in S. California tragic accidents happen more because of rip currents than big waves.

DB Oct 30th, 2005 08:31 AM

Unfortunately MerryTraveler, such things occur too often in spite of the many warnings and discussions. See a post from last years topic "Swept off rocks drownings Hawaii":

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34488665

dwooddon Oct 30th, 2005 09:38 AM

Barbara - I agree. If you re-read my post, I don't think you'll find big waves mentioned. I also said "mostly avoided" because as far as I know, no one on this thread has dealt with getting out of rip tides or undertows. I'm not able to provide that advice because I had to deal with the aftermath, not prevention.

iamq Oct 30th, 2005 09:56 AM

DB,

Thanks for the reminder of that thread about the drownings at Lumahai. I was there again this summer and the memorial the locals set up just before you get to the beach is still there and being maintained. People were stopping and looking at it. I wonder what they were thinking. Many of them were seen walking on the very same rocks a few minutes later. Go figure...

-Bill

vinolover Nov 6th, 2005 06:34 PM

We were there last year when the people were swept off the rocks at Lumahai. We were sitting out at Haena Beach when the sirens went off. It was a beautiful day, you would never expect such violent waves. Tourists should definitely be aware that the danger is present at all times.

Just got back from Kauai last week. We were there a week after the latest drowning at Queen's Bath. New warnings had already been posted at the site.

Here's a link to the photos of the memorial at Lumahai. You see this as soon as you walk down the path from the road.

Also photos of the warning that has been erected at the bottom of the path to Queen's Bath with a copy of the newspaper clipping of the drowning.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vinolo...er78/my_photos

fehgeddaboudit Nov 7th, 2005 11:19 AM

This photo explains it all RE: drownings...

http://www.ilovebacon.com/110405/c.shtml

fehgeddaboudit Nov 7th, 2005 11:20 AM

BY the WAY: you can use

www.tinyurl.com

to make a shorter URL instead of pasting in a 100-character string that throws off the format of this page.

Just a friendly tip for the future...

vinolover Nov 7th, 2005 12:59 PM

I LOVE the tinyURL! Thanks so much!

Here's the tiny link to the warning photos site:

http://tinyurl.com/b7y2k

fehgeddaboudit Nov 7th, 2005 03:23 PM

Good stuff, oenophile!!

In_From_The_Cold Nov 8th, 2005 02:41 PM

We were on the North Shore of Oahu during the height of the big wave season. We were standing on the shore line with our backs to the ocean getting our pictures taken. 15-20 seconds after the picture was taken people starting yelling watch out! By locals accounts it was the biggest wave to hit the beach in several years, it chased everyone up the beach and washed over into the parking area. The scary part is that when we looked at the picture there was absolutely no sign that the swell was on it's way.

hawaiifanatic Nov 11th, 2007 12:28 PM

Two years later, the pattern continues....

http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=7334346

kauai_aka Nov 11th, 2007 03:41 PM

locals and visitors alike drown. i used to love swimming along the shore line way out there, people say they can barely see my head. but i’ve had more problems with man of war than being swept out.

the only advise if swept away (anywhere, not just HI), first and foremost - DON'T PANIC. panicking will only drain precious energy and strength which you need. don’t fight the current, relax, and go with the flow even if it takes you out farther. once you’ve reached the surface, don’t try to swim straight to shore. waves come in from an angle, save your strength and swim with the current even if you make it to shore a mile away from where you started. easier said than done? maybe, since panicking is an automatic reaction for those that don’t know better.

nynavea Nov 18th, 2007 02:04 PM

Thanks for bumping this thread...it brought this to my attention, and I am going to avoid beaches with hazard signs from now on! I have been guilty of clueless-tourist syndrome, but no more! Thanks for all the warnings and advice.

Last Christmas, my dad and I visited Hapuna Beach. We are both very strong swimmers, so when we saw the "dangerous shore break" and "strong current" signs, we shrugged our shoulders and proceeded to go to the beach and get in the water. We ignored the red flag (how stupid could we possibly be?!?).

As novice boogie boarders, my dad and I swam out and started to try to catch some waves. The waves were maybe 4-5 feet high, and we were having a great time. Before we knew it, the waves got bigger and bigger...but we just kept on trying to catch a wave. I got tumbled two or three times; I just tucked my head and rolled with it. My dad got tumbled a couple times too. When a couple of the young, twentysomething guys near us started discussing the 2 broken necks and the broken back that happened earlier in the day, we FINALLY got out. Looking out into the now 10-12 ft. waves, we couldn't believe we'd been out there. I ended up with a skinned knee and elbow, and with a big freaky bruise where the tether to my boogie board had wrapped around my upper arm. Weirdly, I'd been having muscle tension issues in my neck and shoulders...that were fixed when I smacked my head against the ocean floor at one point, wrenching my neck. Free chiropracty and dermabrasion, I quipped later in the whirlpool. Now, I realize how lucky we were not to have become another statistic.

This year, we'll stick to calmer waters, and respect posted warning signs!

kealalani Nov 18th, 2007 02:26 PM

You just made me smile ear to ear with your post.

Safe journey and happy trails to you!
Malama Pono
kealalani


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