NY hotels occupancy rule

Jun 29th, 2008, 05:48 PM
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It doesn't matter whether you see it as a bribe.

I have always gotten extra towels just by leaving a note for housekeeping, no charge.

If you book a room for two, but plan to have 3-4 people sharing it for the night, that is lying to the hotel. Hotels charge extra for the third and fourth person in the room.

I would guess that when people ask these sorts of questions they are hoping lots of folks will agree that it's perfectly okay to lie, or whatever, to "save money".

It's just ridiculous to ask if this sort of thing is a "no-no". What would your parents have told you? What do you teach your children?
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:12 PM
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Yes, it is a no-no. IMO it is lying and cheating.
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:28 PM
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Ooh, ouch--the light from all these halos is blinding! Can you turn them down just a notch?

I was going to point out that I never said it was OK to lie about too many people in a room. I was going to repeat that I thought asking the hotel directly was the best way to go.

But you know what? I don't care about the good opinion of people who equate tips with stealing money from an ATM, or steaks from a grocer.
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:29 PM
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dmlove, putting specific named labels on these things is sometimes tricky, but I call giving money to a desk clear in advance of/asking for a larger or better room a bribe too.
I realize that TIPS used to mean "To insure proper service", but not any more. I'd call slipping your waiter $20 before serving you a bribe as well. Rewarding him after the fact is a tip, just like giving money to a desk clerk who hasn't yet done anything is also a bribe, but if he upgrades you to a suite and THEN you give him some money -- that's a tip.
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:32 PM
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"But you know what? I don't care about the good opinion of people who equate tips with stealing money from an ATM, or steaks from a grocer."

Kind of reminds me of the old joke about "negotiating rates"
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:34 PM
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Jeez, when we were in college we did this all the time. I guess I'll be the first to admit doing this. We didn't consider ourselves liars and cheaters and thieves at the time, just poor college students. Not saying it was right but I'm guessing I'm not the first one in history (or even this board) to do this.
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:38 PM
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I'd never equate tips with stealing steaks or robbing an ATM either -- did someone suggest such a thing?

What I was referring to was taking a maid aside and asking her to bring extra towels and linens and possibly even a cot and be sure not to tell the management I had smuggled in a few extra people without paying. Sorry, but if that's your idea of a tip, you have a very strange set of standards!
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Jun 29th, 2008, 07:41 PM
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I'd never equate tips with stealing steaks or robbing an ATM either -- did someone suggest such a thing?

What I was referring to was taking a maid aside and asking her to bring extra towels and linens and possibly even a cot and be sure not to tell the management I had smuggled in a few extra people without paying. Sorry, but if that's your idea of a tip, you have a very strange set of standards!

I'm sorry that some of you think just being honest is worthy of insults about halos and self-righteousness. But that's OK, some of us think that cheating is just the opposite. Different strokes for different folks. Some like to cheat businesses, some don't. Whatever rocks your boat.
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Jun 30th, 2008, 06:34 AM
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Yes, that's it--I like to cheat businesses. Love to! Live for it! Wake up every morning anticipating another productive day of cheating businesses!

Would write more, but there's businesses to cheat!
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Jun 30th, 2008, 06:46 AM
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Funny, NewbE, but that last post seems sarcastic -- as if you are speaking tongue in cheek -- and makes it sound like you really don't believe in cheating businesses. But that seems odd considering your list of posts above advising that it is not only OK to do so, but even degrading those who say they don't believe in doing so -- as if there is something wrong with anyone pointing out the dishonesty and saying they would rather NOT cheat the business. I guess that means you don't consider it cheating a business -- or you just think it's OK to cheat hotels and not other businesses. Why am I having such a hard time understanding why you think it is perfectly fine to do so, then seem so defensive about doing it?
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Jun 30th, 2008, 08:16 AM
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dht, are you twenty-something per chance? If so, I think people should cut you some slack. Of course, it's not honest to do what you are considering, but most people will probably admit to having sneaked in an extra friend or two into their hotel room when they were young.

I think it's a different situation than stealing an item or bribing someone. Because you're occupying the same space, just adding two people to it. Assuming you aren't asking the maids to comply with requests for extra bedding and towels.

I can understand why young people do this, and anyone who acts pompous about it doesn't remember being twenty-something IMHO.
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Jun 30th, 2008, 08:24 AM
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So, it's okay to lie, cheat, steal, bribe if you're young or poor or a student?
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Jun 30th, 2008, 08:34 AM
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LOL I think this discussion has run its course!
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Jun 30th, 2008, 08:36 AM
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Certainly no minds are going to be changed.
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Jun 30th, 2008, 09:06 AM
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Well - everyone has their own standards - and I don't think we're going to change them.

When I was a poor student (went to school on scholarships, loans and several jobs) I still paid for what I used or took. Some people didn't - and I thought it was dishonest then too.

I could understand theft if someone were broke, hungry and needed food for themselves or kids to survive (although there are other ways to solve thi smost places). But - a vacation is a luxury - and IMHO people should make plans for what they can afford. Trying to fit in extra people for free is - to me - similar to going to a restaurant and not tipping - because you're a poor student - just a bad excuse for being cheap.

dht - if you want to try go right ahead. I think it might be a good life lesson for you if you were caught - and had to deal with the embarrassment and possible legal implications.
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Jun 30th, 2008, 10:37 PM
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Hey everyone,

So just to clarify a few things... The room is a double/double which is big enough for 4. I'm traveling with a college buddy and two other people (who live near NYC) might travel to the city to join us. This may or may not happen, which is why I only booked the room for 2 adults.

There is a $50 per additional guest policy at the hotel. Since we're planning to stay two nights, this might be an extra $200. I understand that being starving students is no excuse for doing something against hotel policy; I just wanted to know how prevalent the practice was, particularly for NYC hotels since they are ridiculously expensive, and whether hotel staffs generally will just overlook this practice.



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Jul 1st, 2008, 04:16 AM
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It sounds like booking the room for 2 makes sense. Then, if the others join you let the front desk know. $50pp is a great deal for NYC. The two others would have a hard time finding a room for 2 for $100 a night so $50 each a night in your room would be a very good deal.
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Jul 1st, 2008, 09:29 AM
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No - they won;t overlook it.

If you are caught you will have to pay and be embarrased into the bargain.

Don;t see what the price has to do with things.

This is like going to a very expensive restaurantaand then asking if they give freebies because the prices are so high.

If you don;t want to pay so much - go to a cheaper place.
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Jul 1st, 2008, 09:52 AM
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dht, I think starrs gives you good advice. Your approach and hers sound perfectly respectable IMHO.
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Jul 1st, 2008, 10:57 AM
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dht, one extra clarification: just because a room "is a double/double which is big enough for 4" in your opinion does NOT necessarily mean the legal occupancy is more than 2 people.
It is possible that if you actually booked a room for 4 (with that extra $50 per person charge) you get a room with more square footage (even if the same bedding) that would be legal for 4, Some rooms in NYC are really tiny, so there could literally be 2 beds and no space to walk around them,which would make then unsafe (according to fire laws) for more than 2 people
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